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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: KimberlyAnnLambert on Saturday 15 December 18 21:49 GMT (UK)
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I have been looking for a record of marriage for my 3GGs for decades. I am also looking for this record for potential clues about their place of birth and parents.
This is the information I have but it is not verified:
William Lambert b 1817 maybe Sussex.
Esther Campbell b 1817 maybe Portsea.
They were likely married in Portsea, Surrey or Sussex.
They seem to have moved around at lot and I can't find record of them in 1851.
This could be the record of marriage with a misspelled family name for my 3GF but the location is off:
https://www.ancestry.ca/family-tree/person/tree/86762533/person/36546481376/facts
This is the information I have on Esther so far:
https://www.ancestry.ca/family-tree/person/tree/86762533/person/36546481376/facts
I would really appreciate breaking down this dam after all these years.
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Can you tell us where & when their first child was born, please?
Unfortunately the link won't work for people who don't have a Canadian Ancestry sub. :-\
How did you establish the possible birth places? Do you have them on a later census?
Nell
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Where are they in 1841 and what occupation does William have?
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Esther Campbell
1817–1869
Census records state she is born in Portsea
William Lambert
1817-1876
Census records state he is born in Brighton, Sussex
Children
William Lambert
1840–1870 Portsea
Joshua Lambert (my 2GF)
1842–1911 Portsea
Elizabeth Lambert
1844– Sussex
Sophia Lambert
1845– Sussex
Thomas Lambert
1848–1926 Sussex
Charlotte Lambert
1850– Sussex
Samson Lambert
1852–1881 Surrey
Henry Lambert
1855– Sussex
Aaron Lambert
1856–1932 -Surrey
Eliza Lambert
1862-1862 died while they were living in a gypsy tent
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This seems to be one of theirs
Samson Lambert MMN Campbell born Dec 1852 Reigate Surrey
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1841 Census HO107/ 413 Book 2/fo 8 p 13
Portsea
William Lambourne 45 b Hampshire
Piece413Book2Folio8Page number13
William Lambourne Age 45 -(basket maker) all the other censuses state he is born in Brighton, Sussex England
Esther Lambourne Age 20
William Lambourne Age 6
They were very likely illiterate. The family name is actually Lambert.Age is incorrect for William but ages of Esther and William fit.
I have the following info about their marriage. Don't remember where I got it.
marriage:
Oct 1849 • Brighton, Sussex, England
Esther Campbell
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William's occupation is "basket maker" in other terms, he was a travelling gypsy
Some of his children took on the name "Campbell" which is believed to be Esther's maiden name instead of Lambert. Would seem a slight to their father.
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Thanks for the extra information.
The ages are quite off in 1841 aren't they if William and Esther are supposed to be the same age :-\
Who does William 6 belong to?
Maybe they weren't officially married (I can't see your links posted earlier) and Campbell was technically their birth name.
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William is their first born (see list above). I have most of their Christening records for the children. As per their Christening records, they were all born Lambert as their family name. I am really looking for Esther and William's marriage and parents. I was hoping their marriage record would give clues to their parents' names.
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1861 census RG9/581/59 p 18 Horsted Keynes
William Lambert 44 Head Basket maker b Brighton
Esther Lambert 42 b Portsea
William Lambert 21 born Portsea
Joshua Lambert 18 b Portsea
Elizabeth Lambert 17 b Brighton
Thomas Lambert 13 b Upper Beeding
Samson Lambert 9 b Nutfield Surrey
Henry Lambert 6 b Clayton
Aaron Lambert 4 b Burston
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Yes if there was a marriage and we can find it would certainly help!
Where and what date was the first born Christened?
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No Esther Campbell baptism in Hampshire, no William Lambert baptism in Brighton that I can see. :(
No marriage in either Sussex or Hampshire that I can find.
I don't think they married.
Nell
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I have the following info about their marriage. Don't remember where I got it.
marriage:
Oct 1849 • Brighton, Sussex, England
Esther Campbell
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Informality as to marriage (and interchangeability as between mother’s and father’s surname) is fairly commonly found in gypsy/traveller family history.
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I have the following info about their marriage. Don't remember where I got it.
marriage:
Oct 1849 • Brighton, Sussex, England
Esther Campbell
There is no marriage corresponding to this on FreeBMD.
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yes, I have been blocked here for decades, my other 3 lines are French Canadian. SUPER easy to trace. Catholics are diligent about their sacrament records. Gypsies, not so much :(.
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I see that the son “Aron” Lambert, aged 14 in 1871, was a nephew in the household of Alexander Campbell, a 45 yr old dealer in china and glass born in Chichester.
Living in Croydon in 1871: RG10/845/80/33.
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Yes Alexander is William's brother. I believe I have his parents although not verified but Esther is a bit of a mystery.
Perhaps the following is their marriage record with a misspell on his family name:
William Barrett aged 21 m 6 Aug 1835 Esther Campbell Saint John Waterloo, Surrey, England
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Yes Alexander is William's brother. I believe I have his parents although not verified but Esther is a bit of a mystery.
Alexander Campbell would be Esther’s brother, surely, rather than William’s?
This may be him with their mother in the hamlet of Durrants, Havant, in 1841:
John Hobbs 30 hawker of china Y
Esther Campbell 35 N <<<
Alexander Campbell 15 hawker of china N <<<
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The Esther Campbell of the 1835 Waterloo marriage was of the parish of St Leonard’s Shoreditch - doesn’t look an obvious match.
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Baptism for Alexander Campbell: 27 Apr 1825 at St Peter the Great, Chichester.
Parents: Alexander and Esther.
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The Esther Campbell of the 1835 Waterloo marriage was of the parish of St Leonard’s Shoreditch - doesn’t look an obvious match.
It was also by licence which might be unlikely if they were itinerant workers.
Nell
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Baptism for Alexander Campbell: 27 Apr 1825 at St Peter the Great, Chichester.
Parents: Alexander and Esther.
Another baptism for the couple, same parish: Esther Campbell, 30 April 1819.
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Alexander Campbell (snr) had married Hester Whitney in Alverstoke in 1826 (Pallot’s).
His death: Alexander Campbell, aged 45, Dec qtr 1839 Chichester.
Her death: Esther Campbell, aged 50, Sep qtr 1847 Portsea Island.
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I see that the son “Aron” Lambert, aged 14 in 1871, was a nephew in the household of Alexander Campbell, a 45 yr old dealer in china and glass born in Chichester.
Living in Croydon in 1871: RG10/845/80/33.
OK yes I see "Campbell"
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Ok I suspected Alexander and Esther were her parents. But why do the censuses say she is born in Portsea
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
NameEsther Campbell
GenderFemale
Baptism Date30 Apr 1819
Baptism PlaceSt Peter-the-Great, Chichester, Sussex, England
FatherAlexander Campbell
MotherEsther
FHL Film Number1068510
Alexander Campbell
Esther Campbell
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She may in fact have been born in Portsea (and baptised in Chichester) - or she may have mistakenly thought she was born in Portsea if the family had connections to both places (her mother died there).
Or it may have been her husband who completed that 1861 census return and was mistaken.
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Hi Kimberly, I am your Australian relative and have been in contact with you previously.
Like you I have been looking for a marriage of William and Esther, a birth record for Esther and also the family in the 1851 Census.
In the 1841 Census, I think you will find that William is aged 1 year, not aged 6 as is mentioned in a previous post. Perhaps in this census William possibly is 25 not 45 as in later census he drops 20 years from his listed age.
I did contact a records office about 5 years ago looking for a birth record for Esther. This is the reply that I received back:
Alexander Campbell married Hester Whitney in Alverstoke in 1816
Only children for Alexander and [H]Esther in our index are Elizabeth and James baptized in 1817, and Selina in 1822. The first two baptisms were in North Stoneham although the family was from Portsea. The third baptism was in Farlington where the father was described as a traveller dealing in earthenware. The possible inference is that being described as a traveller it meant that the family were in fact gypsies at that time, and so were highly mobile around the area which may account for the lack of baptisms.
The only baptisms I can find for Alexander Campbell is in 1813 to parents Alexander and Jane, and in 1814 to parents John and Ann, both in Portsea.
The only baptism I can find for Esther Campbell is in 1810 to parents Adam and Ann in 1810 in Portsea.
There is no marriage for William Lambour/Lambert to Esther/Hester in our marriage index to 1837 [although they may have married after this] and no baptisms for any of their children afterwards. We have baptisms indexed up to 1874. The conclusions is that the children were never baptized or maybe the family was non-conformists whose details we do not have in our index.
A number of William Lambert and Esther Campbell/Lambert's children were baptised in Surrey (Croydon). I believe that there is also a daughter Sophia Lambert, baptized 25 May 1845. She died as a child and was a quite unexpected find when researching the family.
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Hi Cousin :),
I thought I had your email address from years ago but I don't seem to have it. I have sent you a message on Ancestry. Do you have access to Ancestry messages?
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Hi Kimberly, Will send you a PM with email address. I have not renewed my subscription to Ancestry as it was getting quite expensive and research is coming to an end.
Regards Kay
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Well hello to you both! Kimberly, it’s been a little while since I’ve paid much attention to this stuff but have been diving back in lately. I found Kay on a different thread:). Glad to see our paths cross again! I”m learning much!