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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: Neil Croll on Sunday 16 December 18 05:26 GMT (UK)
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I've hit a brick wall searching for ancestors of Arthur CROLL. I know he was born about 1796, married Elizabeth DAVY (various spellings) 10 Jun 1815, worked as a 'wright' (carpenter and joiner) and the family lived in Chapel St Aberdeen between 1819 and 1825 and attended the Gilcomston Chapel of Ease. In 1825 they lived at Balmakelly, Aberdeenshire (Sources: Children's baptism records), and there is a record of a Mr 'Croll, of St Cyrus' having executed the woodwork of the Fordoun Parish Church, which was completed in 1830 (Source: Mollyson C A. 1893. 'The parish of Fordoun. I know the details of their children Margaret, William, Charles and David but nothing much about Sarah Ann or James Fullarton CROLL. My brick wall also hides the details of Arthur's wife Elizabeth DAVY. I would really appreciate any information available.
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I think I can help with James Fullarton Croll :)
James Fullarton Croll, joiner, died in Edinburgh on 5 March 1900. He married Cecilia/Cicely Davie (b. 1821, Culross, Perthshire, to John Davie and Cecilia/Cicely Beveridge) in Leith, Midlothian on 18 Nov 1847. They had 7 children that I can see: Cecilia, Elizabeth, Arthur, John, Ann, Sarah, Margaret, all born Edinburgh.
Ruth
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In 1825 they lived at Balmakelly, Aberdeenshire (Sources: Children's baptism records)
Please say which parish this Balmakelly is in. There are two places of this name listed in Scotland's Places, one in the parish of Garvock and one in the parish of Marykirk. Neither of these parishes is in the county of Aberdeen.
See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758930
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Indeed - the Aberdeenshire thing threw me off for a while ;)
I think this must be the family at Balmakelly, Marykirk in 1841:
Arthur Croal, 54, wright, Kincardineshire
Elizabeth Croal, 52, Kincardineshire
William Croal, 21, outside census county
Margaret Croal, 25, outside census county
James Croal, 19, wright journeyman, outside census county
David Croal, 14, Kincardineshire
Note that an age of 54 (assuming it is accurate) makes Arthur's DOB about 1787, rather than about 1796.
Ruth
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Children:
CROLL CECILIA BEVERID JAMES CROLL/CECILIA DAVIE FR4253 (FR4253) F 22/10/1848 685/1 600 210 Edinburgh
CROLL ELIZABETH DAVIE JAMES CROLL/CECILIA DAVIE FR4254 (FR4254) F 20/04/1851 685/1 600 211 Edinburgh
Jamjar
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Note that an age of 54 (assuming it is accurate) makes Arthur's DOB about 1787, rather than about 1796.
Indeed.
Neil, what evidence do you have to make you think he was born as late as 1796?
I see that they were married in Fordoun (County of Kincardine) and their eldest child was baptised in Montrose (County of Angus) and the youngest in Marykirk (County of Kincardine).
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Deaths with different spelling:
CROALL JAMES FULLERTON 78 1900 685/2 186 St Andrew (Edinburgh)
CROALL CECILIA 76 1898 685/2 146 St Andrew (Edinburgh)
The marriage:
CROAL JAMES to CECILIA DAVIE/FR6519 (FR6519) 18-11-1847 692/2 250 57 Leith South
Jamjar
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1861 census 685/1 94/ 6 St George Midlothian:
CROALL
James 39
Cecelia 40
Cecelia 12
Elizabeth 10
Arthur 7
John 4
Ann 1
Jamjar
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1871 census 685/1 71/ 23 and 24 St George Midlothian
CROALL
James 49
Cecelia 49
Arthur 17
John 14
Ann 11
Sarah 9
Margaret 6
Jamjar
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1881 census 685/1 112/ 11 St George Midlothian:
CROAL
Cecelia 59
John 24
Annie 21
Maggie 16
Jamjar
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1891 census 685/2 129/ 13 St Andrew Midlothian
CROALL
James F 69
Cec 70
Jamjar
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Daughter of James and Cecelia:
Marriage: CROALL Cecelia B to CLARK Walter 1877 685/1 25 St George
Jamjar
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Thank you so much for all of the above, and I'll try to pick up a couple of the points raised. My date for Arthur's birth is the latest I believe it could have been, so thank you for suggesting more likely alternatives. The change in spelling of the family name occurred because James had a brass plate made for his business and it was mis-spelled. Rather than change the name plate he changed the family name. Ruth and Jamjar, would you be able to give me the sources for your information please?
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All the information comes ultimately from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, though some of it can be found indexed or transcribed on assorted other web sites.
See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0
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The census listing I quoted for the 1841 census in Marykirk comes from the transcriptions compiled by FreeCen https://www.freecen.org.uk - the remaining information comes from indices and transcriptions published by Ancestry.
But, as Forfarian rightly suggests, you would be advised to confirm everything with the original source documents, which are available at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Ruth
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Thank you so much for all of the above, and I'll try to pick up a couple of the points raised. My date for Arthur's birth is the latest I believe it could have been, so thank you for suggesting more likely alternatives. The change in spelling of the family name occurred because James had a brass plate made for his business and it was mis-spelled. Rather than change the name plate he changed the family name. Ruth and Jamjar, would you be able to give me the sources for your information please?
That must have been one expensive brass plague!
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Thank you so much to everybody who has posted answers. I think Arthur's descendents have been worked out and I've loaded them all into WikiTree.