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According to census records Jacob Adam Langwasser was born in Relsberg (Hefersweiler?), Bavaria in 1862/3.In 1885 he married Sarah Ann Raymond in Newton Abbot Devon.
When did he enter Britain? I cannot find him in 1881 so assume he had not then arrived.
In 1901 he is described as "naturalised". Is there any record of his conversion?
I have details of his marriage, children, death and census records but would welcome any additional information. He should not be confused with Jacob Langwasser (a cousin?), of Bideford.
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UK passenger lists did not record travel within Europe unless a ship called at more than one European port before travelling further afield - unlikely you will find your Jacob that way. :-\
Sandra
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Thanks, Sandra. Not the answer I was hoping for, but if that's how it is, that's how it is!
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:'( :'(
Couldn't see him listed in UK, Naturalisation Certificates and Declarations, 1870-1916
Naturalisation certificates would typically list the name of the immigrant, residence, birthplace, age, parents’ names, occupation, and the names of any underage children...................
Sandra
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Oh, dear! It looks as if I am out of luck.
I have been unable to find record of Jacob's birth/baptism on Family Search and have sent for his marriage certificate in the hope it will give his father's name.
In1874 Peter Langwasser married Catherina Weber and raised their family of four known children in Relsberg. I did wonder if Jacob was their child, born before they married and registered in the name of Weber but can find nothing to substantiate that. Also Peter would have only been aged about 14/15 at the time, so probably unlikely.
At that time Relsberg was little more than a hamlet, without a church. Heferweiler was the nearest small town. Peter's children were all baptised in Evangelish Neiderkirchen, Otterberg, Pfalz.
What little hope I have now of making progress depends on the contents of the marriage certificate and I am not holding breath.
P S. Error. Peter, born 1838, would have been about 24/25, so perfectly possible. (Too early for complicated maths!)
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I don't know if this link is any use to you. Possibly one of his children?
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14829746
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Yes, thanks. Hermann adopted his mother's maiden name.
His other son, Leo Jacob Langwasser, also has an entry.
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have sent for his marriage certificate in the hope it will give his father's name.
It is almost certain to do so, if Jacob was able to provide it. Do post the details when you get the certificate.
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He should not be confused with Jacob Langwasser (a cousin?), of Bideford.
A few questions :) which will help clarify:
How old is Bideford Jacob?
Where was he born?
What are the names & dates of birth of Peter's children & wife?
Are there any large gaps in these childrens' births?
And of the Bideford Jacob's children [these could indicate a family connection]?
Do you know how common the name Langwasser was in Relsberg?
Might Newton Jacob have changed his name from something else to slightly anglicise it?
Can you give the 1891 & 1901 census refs please?
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For interest here is another Langwasser researcher [long time ago in 2009]
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=417131.msg2829582#msg2829582
From Familysearch I see children of Peter Langwasser & Catherina Weber are
C(K)atherina bap 1866
Johannes bap 1869
Elisabetha bap 1871
Magdalena 1873
Of Johannes Langwasser & Dorothea Buehler
Adam 1862
Jacob 1870 [from the above thread it appears this is BIdeford Jacob]
Katharine 1872
Karl no date
& of Johannes Langwasser & Katharina Dolzart
Johannes Heinrich 1874
Could Newton Jacob be the 1862 Adam?
Is there any way you can obtain the marriage certificate of Peter & Catherine Weber to see if Adam was likely to be the first child?
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Thanks for that, Josey. I have most of it but had overlooked the possible significance of Adam (1862)
From a thread on Ancestry Message Board I have gleaned the following about Jacob of Bideford.
Jacob married Annie Nicholls. Bideford 1901
Jacob born 1875 Hefersweiler. Son of Johannes and Dorothea.
Johannes born before parents married. Baptised in name of Jacob Ecker. Changed name to Johannes Langwasser after marriage of father, Johannes, to Catherina Ecker. I have checked none of this.
Johannes Langwasser married Catherina Ecker November 1836 Hefersweiler.
Peter, son of Johannes and Catherina, born Aug 1838. Hefersweiler.
Married Catherina Weber July 1865. Hefersweiler.
The children you have.
Peter, widower, former wife Catherina Weber, married Katherina Klein May 1874, Hefersweiler.
Children of Jacob of Bideford.
Annie Louisa 1902, Florence W 1903, Dorothy 1905, Betsy Amelia, 1907, Margaret A 1909. Willhelm J 1911.
Death? Jacob Langwasser, age 57, March 1936 Aled.
Children of Jacob of Newton Abbot.
Katherine Mary A 1885, Herman Charles 1893, Leo Jacob 1896.
Death. Jacob Langwasser, age 70, Sep 1932, Newton Abbot.
1891 (Free Cen) Jacob, Sarah and Katherina living Bayards Cove Hill, Dartmouth. Piece1710, district 2, folio 32, page 23, schedule 154.
1901 (Family Search) Jacob, Sarah and two sons living Quay Road, Woolborough, Newton Abbot. (Sorry, no reference)
I think that has answered all your questions.
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1901 (Family Search) Jacob, Sarah and two sons living Quay Road, Woolborough, Newton Abbot. (Sorry, no reference)
1901 Quay Road.
Jacob A Langwasser 38 Sarah Ann Langwasser 35
Hermann Langwasser 8 Leo Jacob Langwasser 4
Arthur W Smout 20
Lucie Neil 6
Henry Heit 3
Reference :- RG13 Piece 2056 Folio 129 Page 23
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1891 Bayards Cove Hill Dartmouth, St Petrox, Devon
Jacob A Langwasser 29 Sarah Ann Langwasser 26
Katherina M A Langwasser 5
RG12 Piece 1710 Folio 32 Page 23
Sandra
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Thanks for all that; though you haven't checked all of it that's a good basis for research. Thanks, Sandra, for the censuses.
The marriage certificate of Jacob Adam & Sarah Ann will be useful. It appears then that the date
of Jacob Adam's birth 1862 is before the marriage of Peter & Catherine 1865. Have you looked for the baptism of a Jacob A Weber?
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Not expecting Jacob's marriage cert until after Christmas. (28 Dec?)
Have not traced birth/ baptism record for Jacob Adam Weber.
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The demand for various links seems to be convoluting this post a bit, so here are some of them (Note: there could be other kids):
Johannes Langwasser
X 08 Nov 1836 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-XGX3?i=80 )
Catharina Ecker
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Johannes b May 1832 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-XGX3?i=80 )
Catharina b Feb 1834 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-86R5?i=108 )
Peter b 18 Aug 1838 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Adan b 28 May 1836 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Elisabetha b 16 Jul 1840 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Barbara b 5Jun 1842 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Heinrich 30 Jul 1844 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Heinrich b 9 Oct 1850 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Jacob b 5 Aug 1853 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Johannes Langwasser
X 01 Aug 1860 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-XL2Y?i=184 )
Dorothea Buehler/Bühler
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Johannes b 2 Mar 1861 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria, bap 10 Mar 1861 Evangelisch,Niederkirchen Otterberg, Pflaz, Bavaria
Adam b 9 Jun 1862 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-8DZP?i=305 ), bap 22 Jun 1862 Evangelisch,Niederkirchen Otterberg, Pflaz, Bavaria
NN b/d 26 Dec 1963 Evangelisch, Niederkirchen Otterberg, Pflaz, Bavaria
Karl b 20 Dec 1864 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria, bap 26 Dec 1864 Evangelisch,Niederkirchen Otterberg, Pflaz, Bavaria
Catharina b 29 Apr 1866 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Christina b 6 Apr 1868 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Jakob b 6 Jan 1870 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria, died Feb 1870 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-XLYY?i=527&cat=253262 )
Katharina bap 9 Jun 1872 Evangelisch,Niederkirchen Otterberg, Pflaz, Bavaria
Heinrich bap 26 Jul 1874 Evangelisch,Niederkirchen Otterberg, Pflaz, Bavaria, d 18 May 1877
Karl b 1876 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-8Z73?i=21&cat=253262 )
Heinrich b 1881 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-8CSR?i=125&cat=253262 )
(Note: Civil Registration birth years 1874 and 1875 are missing and baptisms are not accessible from home)
I believe Adam 1862 is currently your best bet, so I haven't bothered with the after-marriage kids of the following couple. I did have a look for pre-marriage kids, but nothing obvious turned up:
Peter Langwasser
X 27 Jul 1865 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-XLP5?i=215 )
Catharina Weber
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Thank you, Treespirit, for that consolidated and comprehensive presentation which gives the complete (as far as is known) picture. A masterpiece of effort and dedication. I'm only sorry that I cannot read German.
I agree, Adam 1862 appears to be the most likely individual. It has made me all the more impatient to see the marriage certificate.
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It's the script I struggle with the most ... Words can be translated, but it is a bit hard when you can't identify the actual letters ;D
Let me know if you need help pinpointing some other certificates and/or events once you get a copy of the marriage certificate. As I mentioned, there is civil registration stuff missing in the middle of the 1870's, but the rest seems to be there ....
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BTW I had noticed that an Adam Langwasser b abt 1862 had gone to the USA. And, there are a few posts on RC that mention that this guy got married in Hefersweiler in 1895 (there is nothing in the civil registration, but maybe the church records have extra events). Anything is still possible ...
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Not expecting Jacob's marriage cert until after Christmas. (28 Dec?)
We wait with interest.....
BTW I had noticed that an Adam Langwasser b abt 1862 had gone to the USA.
Good spot - see reply #13 et seq. https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=457616.9
Still doesn't help with when Jacob A arrived, but that information might not be available; strange there are no naturalisation records.
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I have now received a copy of Jacob's marriage certificate. He was married on 10 May 1885 at Newton Abbot Register Office.
Jacob Langwasser, age 22. Bachelor, musician. Of 1 St Michael's Terrace, Torquay. Father - Peter Langwasser, farmer. The witnesses were the bride's brother and sister ( my great grandmother). This occupation is not repeated on any census.
This would appear to eliminate Adam (1862) who, coincidentally, was described as a musician when he entered United States in 1887 as a member of a band.
If, as seems likely, Jacob was illegitimate I think the declared identity of his father should be approached with caution.
I'm not sure if any of this takes us any further forward but would welcome any inspired suggestions.