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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: mum mum on Wednesday 19 December 18 06:44 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am wondering if anyone can locate a record of this families arrival in South Australia 1852?
mum mum
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Why do you think he arrived in South Australia in 1852 when he arrived in Victoria in 1857 from Hamburg?
Had he made an earlier previous voyage to South Australia?
Sue
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To find out more about his shipping record you may need to ask for help from someone who has a different subscription to Ancestry from what I can access.
Also the records are in German, I think.
I can see a possibility for his name as Joh. Hein. WORTMANN arriving Melbourne, but no more available to me.
Sue
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Mr J H WORTMANN 20 years arrived 1 Oct 1857 on the GOTTENGEN There is no further info on the passenger list I've viewed.
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This has his wife entering before him.
I can’t see a marriage in VIC for them:
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=5960012
Added: Nor can I see the birth of their 6 children, as per his will on PROV.
Added: Married NSW: 1358/1865 WORTMANN Henry to POPP Anna ALBURY
Added: Children WORTMAN/WORTMANN to Henry and Annie born NSW 1865 - 1876
Added: Although his will in on PROV, he died NSW:
12294/1910 WORTMANN John H parents HERRMANN and ELSIE ALBURY
Annie died in VIC:
1921 10103 WORTMANN Annie parents Popp Jacob and Annie (Unknown) at GRANYA aged 80
Jamjar
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To find out more about his shipping record you may need to ask for help from someone who has a different subscription to Ancestry from what I can access.
Also the records are in German, I think.
I can see a possibility for his name as Joh. Hein. WORTMANN arriving Melbourne, but no more available to me.
Sue
The section of Ancestry which may hold further information regarding the immigration is
“Hamburg Passenger Lists 1850 1934”. Possibly image etc.
In Memoriam WORTMANN.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101155065
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Hi,
Thanks for all the replies, I was just looking for a few more certificates, or ships records to add to a display on the Wortmann family at the Granya Pioneer Museum.
https://granyapioneermuseum.webs.com/
Our local history reads that he arrived sometime in 1851, spent time at Hahndorf in SA before traveling by wagon to Jindera where he met Annie Poppe.
Now we have made things interesting, I will look again on Ancestry and see what I can find of him arriving in Victoria.
mum mum
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I attached a snip from the passenger list of him arriving Victoria on the GOTTENGEN.
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Thanks Cando,
I just found it too, thanks to the hints, that looks like the right ship, so our local researchers got it wrong. Mind you this would have been researched 20 years ago when the Museum opened.
Our history says he spent time in Germantown, now known as Hahndorf. Holbrook, which is not far from Jindera, where he met Annie Poppe was known as Germantown up until WW1.
I have attached the misleading information from our book.
Looks like I will have a little extra to add to our display.
mum mum
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Is it possible he returned to Germany and emigrated again in 1857.
Geelong Advertiser and Intellingencer 27 Jul 1852
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article91930691
Jul 23 HERO brig for Adelaide. Passengers........WORTMAN.
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Hi,
I guess he could have returned and then arrived in SA at a later date, his naturalization papers though give his first arrival on the Gottengen which looks very close to the Victorian arrival on the Gollingen.
I guess the next step is to try to find the Poppe families arrival in SA. Or some record of their travels.
mum mum
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I don't think he arrived in South Australia at all. Why would he give similar information on this document.
Another for your collection.
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Jacob POPP arrived on the VICTORIA at Melbourne in 1854. Wife Catherine and daughter Anna. Entered on manifest as BOPP.
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Thanks Cando,
I'm putting a lot of our photos into scrapbooks and adding other information as well. Saves wall space and we can display more for visiting families. This will all look great.
Mum mum
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Victorian Government Gazette is online if you wish to add the following to your collection
WORTMANN John H
Gazetted 8 Aug 1879 Page# 1987
Bungil
Applications for Licenses Approved
WORTMANN John H
Gazetted 6 Nov 1885 Page# 3040
Bungil
Applications for Licenses Approved
Family stories are often full or errors and assumptions. John or Henry as he was known, emigrated in 1857 aged 20 years. Was it possible he then travelled to Hahndorf as per family story?
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I just found the source of our information on the arrival of john Henry Wortmann, it was taken from oral history told by his Grand daughter in 1987. It says they arrived about 1840 which we know is wrong, and settled at Germantown, Hahndorf is added later.
Given his naturalization papers have the name of the ship which he arrived in Melbourne aboard, I think the name 'Germantown' has thrown them off a bit.
Perhaps there was misunderstanding in the telling of the story because she goes on to says that the family traveled from Jindera, crossed the Murray River at Whyma and took up land at Bungil, which is just up the river from Granya.
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Perhaps J H WORTMANN was first at Germantown VIC, now Grovedale near Geelong?
As an aside, my ancestors were at Hahndorf in 1841 and as far as I know it was never known as Germantown. The first settlers named the place after Captain Hahn their emigrant ship's captain.
Rhonda
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Rhonda I agree with you. I think Hahndorf was called Ambleside for a period too.
I did read that a number of emigrants were to work on the vines in the Geelong area.
Cando
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Rhonda I agree with you. I think Hahndorf was called Ambleside for a period too.
I did read that a number of emigrants were to work on the vines in the Geelong area.
Cando
Ambleside from 1918 - 1935