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Stella A king
Born 1888 at Nundle NSW
Father George S
Mother Rossette
Is there Aboriginal decent?
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She is in several trees on Ancestry - have you contacted the tree owners?
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Thank you for your reply .I am not on Ancestry.
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Trees claim that parents/grandparents from Lincolnshire - so where do you believe the Aborigines fit in?
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Thank you.
Maybe her husband was of Aboriginal decent.
Oscar C Woodley.
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Thank you.
Maybe her husband was of Aboriginal decent.
Oscar C Woodley.
I think folks marriage cert will say where they are from:
7114/1884 WOODLEY Henry J to ROBSON Sarah J TAMWORTH
Birth:
34668/1889 WOODLEY OSCAR C parents HENRY J and SARAH A NUNDLE
Marriage of Stella:
10753/1911 WOODLEY Oscar C to KING Stella A TAMWORTH
Death:
104644/1980 WOODLEY Oscar Cornelius parent’s HENRY JAMES and SARAH
Jamjar
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Stella A king
Born 1888 at Nundle NSW
Father George S
Mother Rossette
Is there Aboriginal decent?
Marriage of folks:
4257/1879 KING George P to MACLEAN Rosetta NUNDLE
Birth:
36142/1888 KING Stella A parents GEORGE S and ROSSETTA NUNDLE
Death:
32076/1958 WOODLEY Stella Annes parents GEORGE SCARBOROUGH and ROSETTA TAMWORTH
Jamjar
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Thank you.
Maybe her husband was of Aboriginal decent.
Oscar C Woodley.
I have no way of confirming if so, but they are both listed on the electoral rolls in the 1930s and later, in the New England area ... along with many others of that surname - for example,
NSW ER 1932 TAMWORTH, polling at Nundle.
Oscar Cornelius, Duncan's Creek, farmer
Stella Annis, Duncan's Creek, home duties
Have you read through the following thread?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=524347.0
JM
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George Scarborough was born in 1853/54 to Charles and Nancy.
115/1853 V1853115 144 KING George S parents CHARLES and NANCY
119/1854 V1854119 144 KING George S parents CHARLES and MARCY
Death: 14434/1928 KING George S parents CHARLES and NANCY NUNDLE
No marriage for parents in NSW, but looks like one in UK. Bourne is Lincolnshire:
Mar 1852 7a 451 BOURNE
BANKS Nancy
KING Charles
Connection of this George to Oscar, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article246814969
Jamjar
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Marriage: 362/1861 MCLEAN Daniel to O'BRIEN Johanna SYDNEY
Birth: MCLEAN Rosetta parents DANIEL and JOHANNA SYDNEY
Death: 7171/1952 KING Rosetta parents DANIEL and JOHANNE TAMWORTH
Jamjar
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Is there Aboriginal decent?
What makes you think so?
Jamjar
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Possible arrival to NSW for the KING family, per the Harriet June 1853 (page 7) http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?Page=NRS5316/4_4790/Harriet_11%20Jun%201853/4_479000562.jpg&No=7
Plus:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12946347 The Harriet was placed into quarantine on arrival from Plymouth.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/161105910 May 30 Harriet, ship, 925 tons, Captain Chadwick, from Plymouth 16th February. Passengers — Dr. Ward and 381 emigrants. Smith Brothers, agent.
JM
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George S KING burial, Nundle,- Bowling Alley Point Cemetery Death 18 October 1928, aged 74.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVB6-BWHJ
JM
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NUNDLE Cemetery index for the WOODLEY’s: http://austcemindex.com/?cemid=538
Jamjar
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Possible UK birth of the daughter on the manifest:
KING, SARAH ADELINE mmn BANKS
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in SPALDING Volume 07A Page 299
Jamjar
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I’m thinking Edward John may be the brother of Henry James (see Cemetery index).
Edward has folks as: 13525/1884 WOODLEY Edward J parents JOHN and GRACE NUNDLE
So far can’t find John and Grace.
Jamjar
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Henry James WOODLEY of Hanging Rock ... 1858 marriage in Sydney,
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13013000 SMH 1 Dec 1858
Hanging Rock is in Nundle district :)
Henry James WOODLEY was late of Nundle, as per NSW State Archives online index https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/search_form?id=15
Probate £536 as per SMH 22 August 1889 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13739521
NSW BDM online index has Henry as aged 56, died Nundle. No given names for his parents are displayed there.
JM
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WOODLEY BROOK :) Probate announcement for Henry James WOODLEY
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/222183310 Govt Gazette, probate to widow, Sarah Ann
Perhaps the 1858 marriage for a Henry James WOODLEY of Hanging Rock is NOT part of this family.
JM
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WOODLEY BROOK :) Probate announcement for Henry James WOODLEY
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/222183310 Govt Gazette, probate to widow, Sarah Ann
Perhaps the 1858 marriage for a Henry James WOODLEY of Hanging Rock is NOT part of this family.
JM
Do you mean this one, JM?
986/1858 WOODLEY Henry J to MITCHELL Emma SYDNEY
Given that he was supposedly born c1834 and didn’t marry Sarah until 1884, I had been wondering if he had been previously married.
First birth:
12865/1859 WOODLEY EMMA L parents Henry and Emma TAMWORTH
The last birth is in 1864 and then there is this death:
6715/1866 WOODLEY Emma M HENRY and JANE TAMWORTH
Jamjar
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Yes, it was a first and second marriage. ;)
Notice for William Albert mentions step-sister Maud, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article135064498
14877/1871 WOODLEY William A parents HENRY J and EMMA NUNDLE
33045/1885 WOODLEY Maud A parents HENRY I and SARAH A NUNDLE
Jamjar
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Yes
That reflects reply#16 and the newspaper announcement of that marriage, Henry of Hanging Rock ... we were at Uralla just this past weekend for a family reunion ... talking about Nundle, Etc ...
JM
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On the UK 1841 census a Henry and Edward with folks John and Grace:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQYR-QJV
Henry and Edward not with family on the 1851:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGKJ-JXM
Henry James’ christening: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGMZ-T9D
Edward John’s christening: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWWV-TRV
Jamjar
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I have seen Chezza online a few times today, but no comment has been forthcoming from them.
It appears, if all the found information is correct, that the only link now left to Aboriginal heritage would be through the second marriage of Henry, and therefore through Sarah Robson.
Wonder if that Ancestry tree has something on this?
I’m still curious as to why you think the link may exist. ???
Jamjar
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Marriage:
2633/1860 ROBSON William to WILLIS Elizabeth Jane TAMWORTH
Birth:
10113/1861 ROBSON Sarah A parents WILLIAM and ELIZABETH J MURRURUNDI
Death:
2689/1911 WOODLEY Sarah A parents WILLIAM and ELIZABETH NUNDLE
Jamjar
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Our OP is online at present.
Perhaps DNA will find an indication of Aboriginal heritage. I have not found any reason to suggest indulging in that expense... unless there is a non historical event... IF SO, then perhaps oral history needs to be relied on, as we don't research living people at RChat.
JM
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I believe that these are the deaths of Sarah’s father and his siblings, parents WILLIAM and CHRISTINA:
10754/1906 ROBSON John URALL
11502/1895ROBSON George ARMIDAL
7497/1916 ROBSON William TAMWORTH
They don’t appear to have been born in NSW.
You will find death references to them on Trove.
Jamjar
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Thank you everyone for all the information.
I think the Aboriginal ancestry is on the Woodley side.
Thank you again
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Thank you everyone for all the information.
I think the Aboriginal ancestry is on the Woodley side.
Thank you again
Henry WOODLEY, of Hanging Rock was not born in NSW ... he migrated to NSW,
Do you have his NSW BDM certs for his marriages and death .... what is recorded for his origins ...
ADD,
He was Cornish :) see earlier replies ;)
I think he had brothers who arrived January 1855 per the Ebba Brahe
JM
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Why do you think there is an Aboriginal connection, and what research have you done yourself on this?
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Chempat is asking an excellent question for there's nothing been posted on this thread to date that suggests that Oscar was of Aboriginal descent.
Thank you.
Maybe her husband was of Aboriginal decent.
Oscar C Woodley.
I am wondering IF there's been some mis-understanding over the generations. You see, up until around 1949, many official records would require people to note if they were 'British Subjects' either by birth or formal naturalisation. And the usual response recorded for those born in Australia was often 'N.B.' or 'Native Born' or 'Natural Born' ... simply meaning born HERE ... ...
There's been threads at RChat in the past that have addressed that aspect. Many of the AIF from WWI were noted as 'Native Born' ... meaning born in any of the then six colonies that federated after their births ... (born in the late 1800's, federation 1901, WWI 1914-18)...
Woodley Brook can also be found as Woodly Brook. It has faded from official records, but in the Land Reforms of the 1860s it is likely to be found in the historic parish maps in the County of Parry, Parish of Nundle ... near to Bowling Alley Point and Hanging Rock.
http://www.nswlrs.com.au/land_titles/historical_records_online/historical_maps_cancelled_editions
JM
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:) I have just had a quick skim through some of my family history for Wallabadah (right area) and for Uralla (also right area) ... I am sure that ROBSON (nee name of Oscar's mum) were land holders at Hanging Rock in the 1860s and 1870s and later.
I am sorry, but at this time of the year I have some family commitments, so I cannot help further with actual serious concentrated study time scrolling through. zooming in, cross referencing etc via those online parish maps to get the CP details to then get the DP and folio etc.
Happy Christmas to everyone.
JM
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ADD (thanks to a rellie for phone call alert)
https://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/5270607/faces-of-tamworth-businessman-and-council-stalwart-warren-woodley/
JM
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Thank you again everyone.
I am putting research on hold for the moment.
Have a Merry Christmas,