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Title: King
Post by: chezza60 on Wednesday 19 December 18 20:10 GMT (UK)
Stella  A king
Born 1888 at Nundle NSW
Father George S
Mother Rossette

Is there Aboriginal decent?


Title: Re: King
Post by: chempat on Wednesday 19 December 18 20:43 GMT (UK)
She is in several trees on Ancestry - have you contacted the tree owners?
Title: Re: King
Post by: chezza60 on Wednesday 19 December 18 22:13 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your reply .I am not on Ancestry.
Title: Re: King
Post by: chempat on Wednesday 19 December 18 22:36 GMT (UK)
Trees claim that parents/grandparents from Lincolnshire - so where do you believe the Aborigines fit in?
Title: Re: King
Post by: chezza60 on Wednesday 19 December 18 22:54 GMT (UK)
Thank you.

Maybe her husband  was of Aboriginal decent.

Oscar C Woodley.
Title: Re: King
Post by: Jamjar on Wednesday 19 December 18 23:45 GMT (UK)
Thank you.

Maybe her husband  was of Aboriginal decent.

Oscar C Woodley.

I think folks marriage cert will say where they are from:

7114/1884 WOODLEY Henry J to ROBSON Sarah J TAMWORTH

Birth:

34668/1889 WOODLEY OSCAR C parents HENRY J and SARAH A NUNDLE

Marriage of Stella:

10753/1911 WOODLEY Oscar C to KING Stella A TAMWORTH

Death:

104644/1980 WOODLEY Oscar Cornelius parent’s HENRY JAMES and SARAH

Jamjar
Title: Re: King
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 20 December 18 00:19 GMT (UK)
Stella  A king
Born 1888 at Nundle NSW
Father George S
Mother Rossette

Is there Aboriginal decent?


Marriage of folks:

4257/1879 KING George P to MACLEAN Rosetta NUNDLE

Birth:

36142/1888 KING Stella A parents GEORGE S and ROSSETTA NUNDLE

Death:

32076/1958 WOODLEY Stella Annes parents GEORGE SCARBOROUGH and ROSETTA TAMWORTH

Jamjar
Title: Re: King
Post by: majm on Thursday 20 December 18 00:25 GMT (UK)
Thank you.

Maybe her husband  was of Aboriginal decent.

Oscar C Woodley.

I have no way of confirming if so, but they are both listed on the electoral rolls in the 1930s and later, in the New England area ... along with many others of that surname - for example,
NSW ER 1932 TAMWORTH, polling at Nundle.
Oscar Cornelius, Duncan's Creek, farmer
Stella Annis, Duncan's Creek, home duties 

Have you read through the following thread?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=524347.0

JM
Title: Re: King
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 20 December 18 01:52 GMT (UK)
George Scarborough was born in 1853/54 to Charles and Nancy.

115/1853 V1853115 144 KING George S parents CHARLES and NANCY

119/1854 V1854119 144 KING  George S parents CHARLES and MARCY

Death: 14434/1928 KING George S parents CHARLES and NANCY NUNDLE

No marriage for parents in NSW, but looks like one in UK. Bourne is Lincolnshire:

Mar 1852 7a 451 BOURNE
BANKS Nancy
KING Charles

Connection of this George to Oscar, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article246814969

Jamjar



Title: Re: King
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 20 December 18 02:01 GMT (UK)
Marriage: 362/1861 MCLEAN Daniel to O'BRIEN Johanna SYDNEY

Birth: MCLEAN Rosetta parents DANIEL and JOHANNA SYDNEY

Death: 7171/1952 KING Rosetta parents DANIEL and JOHANNE TAMWORTH

Jamjar
Title: Re: King
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 20 December 18 02:22 GMT (UK)
Is there Aboriginal decent?

What makes you think so?

Jamjar
Title: Re: King
Post by: majm on Thursday 20 December 18 02:42 GMT (UK)
Possible arrival to NSW for the KING family, per the Harriet June 1853 (page 7)  http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?Page=NRS5316/4_4790/Harriet_11%20Jun%201853/4_479000562.jpg&No=7
Plus:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12946347  The Harriet was placed into quarantine on arrival from Plymouth.   
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/161105910 May 30 Harriet,  ship, 925 tons, Captain Chadwick, from Plymouth 16th February. Passengers — Dr. Ward and 381 emigrants. Smith Brothers, agent.


JM
Title: Re: King
Post by: majm on Thursday 20 December 18 02:49 GMT (UK)
George S KING burial, Nundle,- Bowling Alley Point Cemetery Death 18 October 1928, aged 74.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVB6-BWHJ

JM
Title: Re: King
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 20 December 18 02:55 GMT (UK)
NUNDLE Cemetery index for the WOODLEY’s: http://austcemindex.com/?cemid=538

Jamjar
Title: Re: King
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 20 December 18 03:00 GMT (UK)
Possible UK birth of the daughter on the manifest:

KING, SARAH ADELINE mmn BANKS
GRO Reference: 1852  J Quarter in SPALDING  Volume 07A  Page 299

Jamjar
Title: Re: King
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 20 December 18 03:19 GMT (UK)
I’m thinking Edward John may be the brother of Henry James (see Cemetery index).

Edward has folks as: 13525/1884 WOODLEY Edward J parents JOHN and GRACE NUNDLE

So far can’t find John and Grace.

Jamjar
Title: Re: King
Post by: majm on Thursday 20 December 18 03:22 GMT (UK)
Henry James WOODLEY of Hanging Rock ... 1858 marriage in Sydney,

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13013000 SMH 1 Dec 1858

Hanging Rock is in Nundle district  :)

Henry James WOODLEY was late of Nundle, as per NSW State Archives online index  https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/search_form?id=15 

Probate £536 as per SMH  22 August 1889 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13739521

NSW BDM online index has Henry as aged 56, died Nundle.  No given names for his parents are displayed there.

JM
Title: Re: King
Post by: majm on Thursday 20 December 18 03:28 GMT (UK)
WOODLEY BROOK  :)  Probate announcement for Henry James WOODLEY

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/222183310  Govt Gazette,  probate to widow, Sarah Ann

Perhaps the 1858 marriage for a Henry James WOODLEY of Hanging Rock is NOT part of this family.

JM
Title: Re: King
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 20 December 18 03:50 GMT (UK)
WOODLEY BROOK  :)  Probate announcement for Henry James WOODLEY

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/222183310  Govt Gazette,  probate to widow, Sarah Ann

Perhaps the 1858 marriage for a Henry James WOODLEY of Hanging Rock is NOT part of this family.

JM

Do you mean this one, JM?

986/1858 WOODLEY Henry J to MITCHELL Emma SYDNEY

Given that he was supposedly born c1834 and didn’t marry Sarah until 1884, I had been wondering if he had been previously married.

First birth:

12865/1859 WOODLEY EMMA L parents Henry and Emma TAMWORTH

The last birth is in 1864 and then there is this death:

6715/1866 WOODLEY Emma M HENRY and JANE TAMWORTH

Jamjar
Title: Re: King
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 20 December 18 04:06 GMT (UK)
Yes, it was a first and second marriage. ;)

Notice for William Albert mentions step-sister Maud, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article135064498

14877/1871 WOODLEY William A parents HENRY J and EMMA NUNDLE

33045/1885 WOODLEY Maud A parents HENRY I and SARAH A NUNDLE

Jamjar
Title: Re: King
Post by: majm on Thursday 20 December 18 04:13 GMT (UK)
Yes

That reflects reply#16 and the newspaper announcement of that marriage,  Henry of Hanging Rock ...  we were at Uralla just this past weekend  for a family reunion ... talking about Nundle,  Etc ... 

JM
Title: Re: King
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 20 December 18 04:39 GMT (UK)
On the UK 1841 census a Henry and Edward with folks John and Grace:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQYR-QJV

Henry and Edward not with family on the 1851:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGKJ-JXM

Henry James’ christening: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGMZ-T9D

Edward John’s christening: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWWV-TRV

Jamjar
Title: Re: King
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 20 December 18 05:31 GMT (UK)
I have seen Chezza online a few times today, but no comment has been forthcoming from them.

It appears, if all the found information is correct, that the only link now left to Aboriginal heritage would be through the second marriage of Henry, and therefore through Sarah Robson.

Wonder if that Ancestry tree has something on this?

I’m still curious as to why you think the link may exist. ???

Jamjar
Title: Re: King
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 20 December 18 05:44 GMT (UK)
Marriage:

2633/1860 ROBSON William to WILLIS Elizabeth Jane TAMWORTH

Birth:

10113/1861 ROBSON Sarah A parents WILLIAM and ELIZABETH J MURRURUNDI

Death:

2689/1911 WOODLEY Sarah A parents WILLIAM and ELIZABETH NUNDLE

Jamjar
Title: Re: King
Post by: majm on Thursday 20 December 18 06:25 GMT (UK)
Our OP is online at present. 

Perhaps DNA will find an indication of Aboriginal heritage.  I have not found any reason to suggest indulging in that expense... unless there is a non historical event... IF SO,  then perhaps oral history needs to be relied on,  as we don't research living people at RChat.


JM
Title: Re: King
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 20 December 18 07:58 GMT (UK)
I believe that these are the deaths of Sarah’s father and his siblings, parents WILLIAM and CHRISTINA:

10754/1906 ROBSON John URALL
11502/1895ROBSON George ARMIDAL
7497/1916 ROBSON William TAMWORTH

They don’t appear to have been born in NSW.

You will find death references to them on Trove.

Jamjar




Title: Re: King
Post by: chezza60 on Thursday 20 December 18 20:51 GMT (UK)
Thank you everyone for all the information.
I think the Aboriginal ancestry is on the Woodley side.

Thank you again
Title: Re: King
Post by: majm on Thursday 20 December 18 21:23 GMT (UK)
Thank you everyone for all the information.
I think the Aboriginal ancestry is on the Woodley side.

Thank you again

Henry WOODLEY, of Hanging Rock was not born in NSW ... he migrated to NSW,   

Do you have his NSW BDM certs for his marriages and death .... what is recorded for his origins ...

ADD,
He was Cornish  :) see earlier replies  ;)
I think he had brothers who arrived January 1855 per the Ebba Brahe 

JM
Title: Re: King
Post by: chempat on Thursday 20 December 18 21:56 GMT (UK)
Why do you think there is an Aboriginal connection, and what research have you done yourself on this?
Title: Re: King
Post by: majm on Thursday 20 December 18 22:25 GMT (UK)
Chempat is asking an excellent question for there's nothing been posted on this thread to date that suggests that Oscar was of Aboriginal descent.


Thank you.

Maybe her husband  was of Aboriginal decent.

Oscar C Woodley.

I am wondering IF there's been some mis-understanding over the generations.  You see, up until around 1949, many official records would require people to note if they were 'British Subjects' either by birth or formal naturalisation.   And the usual response recorded for those born in Australia was often 'N.B.' or 'Native Born'  or 'Natural Born' ... simply meaning born HERE ... ...
There's been threads at RChat in the past that have addressed that aspect.   Many of the AIF from WWI were noted as 'Native Born' ... meaning born in any of the then six colonies that federated after their births ... (born in the late 1800's, federation 1901, WWI 1914-18)...

Woodley Brook can also be found as Woodly Brook.  It has faded from official records, but in the Land Reforms of the 1860s it is likely to be found in the historic parish maps  in the County of Parry, Parish of Nundle ... near to Bowling Alley Point and Hanging Rock. 

http://www.nswlrs.com.au/land_titles/historical_records_online/historical_maps_cancelled_editions

JM

Title: Re: King
Post by: majm on Thursday 20 December 18 22:34 GMT (UK)
 :)  I have just had a quick skim through some of my family history for Wallabadah (right area) and for Uralla (also right area) ... I am sure that ROBSON (nee name of Oscar's mum) were land holders at Hanging Rock in the 1860s and 1870s and later.

I am sorry, but at this time of the year I have some family commitments, so I cannot help further with actual serious concentrated study time scrolling through. zooming in, cross referencing etc via those online parish maps to get the CP details to then get the DP and folio etc.

Happy Christmas to everyone.

JM
Title: Re: King
Post by: majm on Thursday 20 December 18 22:44 GMT (UK)
ADD (thanks to a rellie for phone call alert)

https://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/5270607/faces-of-tamworth-businessman-and-council-stalwart-warren-woodley/

JM
Title: Re: King
Post by: chezza60 on Friday 21 December 18 01:01 GMT (UK)
Thank you again everyone.

I am putting research on hold for the moment.

Have a Merry Christmas,