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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: schimmellover on Thursday 20 December 18 16:26 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am researching a Seed family of Garstang/Preston area. Parents Robert Seed and Jane Seed died within 6 months of each other in 1860/1861, leaving 8 children between ages 2 and 15. Robert died in Kirkland, Jane in Preston. A son, William James Seed died the same year age 6 in Dec 1861 in Samlesbury (according to death cert.). The informant of death on the certificate was the attending physician.I have found no family connection with Samlesbury, so cannot work out what this child was doing there! I wondered if there was a hospital to which he might have been sent?
Any thoughts?
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Hi
What was William's cause of death? It might give a clue as to the type of hospital he was in i.e if was Tuberculosis it could be a sanitorium. Is there also a particular address for the place of death rather than just Salmesbury?
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The death cert. states he died of 'Cephalitis nervous offusion 9 days convulsions 16 hours'
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With both parents dead, support of the children would become the responsibility of the poor law guardians.
They are quite likely to have farmed out the children to foster parents, who would have received financial support from the guardians. This worked out cheaper than keeping them full time in the Workhouse, and would generally give the children a better environment than an institution.
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William's burial showing abode of Walton-le Dale?
Burial: 13 Dec 1861 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
William James Seed -
Age: 5
Abode: Walton le Dale
Buried by: J. Wilson
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Was it William James Seed aged 5, sub district Walton le Dale? (Lancashire BMD)
Burial 13th Dec. 1861, St. John, Preston, abode Walton le Dale. (LAN OPC)
Is this burial of his mother, Jane? 26th May1861 St. John, Preston, age 39, abode Avenham Rd. (LAN OPC)
Were all the children with their mother on 1861 census? Have you found them on 1871 census?
Andrew's explanation sounds likely if there were no relatives who could take the children.
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Robert's burial is interesting
'resident of Preston & Churchtown' and something I can't quite interpret what is written below his occupation of provision dealer (not inn keeper- again odd) - something about a Henry
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Robert's occupation was corn dealer at baptisms of his older children 1847-1855, abode Friargate, Preston. Baptisms at St. John, Preston. His occupation was innkeeper and abode Kirkland from baptism of William 1856 and younger ones. (LAN OPC)
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Thank you everyone. I think I have much of the info.
With both parents dead, support of the children would become the responsibility of the poor law guardians.
They are quite likely to have farmed out the children to foster parents, who would have received financial support from the guardians. This worked out cheaper than keeping them full time in the Workhouse, and would generally give the children a better environment than an institution.
I’ve been trying to work out what happened to these children for a few years! There was quite an extended family, so I suspect they may have been taken in by family, but hard to know.
William's burial showing abode of Walton-le Dale?
Burial: 13 Dec 1861 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
William James Seed -
Age: 5
Abode: Walton le Dale
Buried by: J. Wilson
Where did this record come from? I guess Walton le Dale is right side of Preston for Samlesbury. I’ll have to see if there’s a J Wilson anywhere. I know he had an Aunt married to a Hilton Wilson.
Was it William James Seed aged 5, sub district Walton le Dale? (Lancashire BMD)
Burial 13th Dec. 1861, St. John, Preston, abode Walton le Dale. (LAN OPC)
Is this burial of his mother, Jane? 26th May1861 St. John, Preston, age 39, abode Avenham Rd. (LAN OPC)
Were all the children with their mother on 1861 census? Have you found them on 1871 census?
Andrew's explanation sounds likely if there were no relatives who could take the children.
Yes Jane is mother. Yes all children are with mother at Avenham Road on 1861 Census. I have found some of children on 1871. Not John and Samuel died 1869.
Robert had Provision Dealer shop in Friargate and was also innkeeper at the Horn’s from 1856ish. He was a champion shot and won prizes for horse breeding. Not sure where the Henry comes from! Where are you seeing this?
Thanks again for all responses. The Smith link definitely gives me another line to follow.
Robert's burial is interesting
'resident of Preston & Churchtown' and something I can't quite interpret what is written below his occupation of provision dealer (not inn keeper- again odd) - something about a Henry
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William's burial showing abode of Walton-le Dale?
Burial: 13 Dec 1861 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
William James Seed -
Age: 5
Abode: Walton le Dale
Buried by: J. Wilson
Where did this record come from? I guess Walton le Dale is right side of Preston for Samlesbury. I’ll have to see if there’s a J Wilson anywhere. I know he had an Aunt married to a Hilton Wilson.
Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website (LAN OPC). J. Wilson would have been the clergyman who performed the funeral service.
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Of course!
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I notice that there was a school at Old Hall Samlesbury. In 1861 there are boarders as young as 6. Maybe William James was sent here?
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I notice that there was a school at Old Hall Samlesbury. In 1861 there are boarders as young as 6. Maybe William James was sent here?
Census reference RG 9; Piece: 3141; Folio: 95; Page: 17;
The school opened 26th July 1852. From Aris's Birmingham Gazette - Saturday 05 January 1861
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This is great - many thanks. I’ve been looking in local papers but obviously needed to look further afield. Now I wonder if the other children were sent there when their parents died. The school closed in 1862.
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And when I check the death certificate, the informant is a '? Harrison in attendance Samlesbury'
Not quite conclusive, but a start...
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Mary A Harrison was the head of the school.
Stan
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Thanks Stan - where did you find this information?
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Johan Pestalozzi is known as "the Father of Modern Education".
According to Wiki article on Salmesbury Hall Mary Harrison's school was a co-ed boarding school. The same article says that Joseph Harrison of Galligreaves Hall bought Samlesbury Hall in 1862.
Did Robert or his wife leave a will?
Coincidently, members of one of my Preston families were also corn-merchants and innkeepers and lived in Avenham Lane until 1830s. One married a doctor and they lived in the same street as the corn exchange.
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Thanks Stan - where did you find this information?
I found it by googling Samlesbury. There's also plenty online about Pestalozzi.
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I notice that there was a school at Old Hall Samlesbury. In 1861 there are boarders as young as 6. Maybe William James was sent here?
1861 census. Place Walton le Dale. Civil Parish Walton le Dale. Ecclesiastical parish St. Leonard's.
Piece 3141. Enumeration district 9. Folio 95. Page 17. Schedule 87. House/street name Old Hall.
Mary A. Harrison, head, widow, age 48 b. Yorkshire.
Also Mary Harrison, daughter, Benjamin Harrison, son, 2 governesses, Robert & Richard Wilson, nephews + 14 pupils. (Free Cen 2) Most pupils were born a fair distance away.
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Thanks Stan - where did you find this information?
From the 1861 census. I gave the census reference in my previous reply I notice that there was a school at Old Hall Samlesbury. In 1861 there are boarders as young as 6. Maybe William James was sent here?
Census reference RG 9; Piece: 3141; Folio: 95; Page: 17;
The school opened 26th July 1852. From Aris's Birmingham Gazette - Saturday 05 January 1861
Stan
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So you did, Stan. My attention was taken up with the advert, I didn't see the rest. I learned about Pestalozzi at college.
This thread has provided today's " learn something new every day".
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It also might have answered a question I’ve been puzzling over for about 15 years!
Thanks all.
Any ideas whether school records might be available anywhere?!
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It also might have answered a question I’ve been puzzling over for about 15 years!
Thanks all.
Any ideas whether school records might be available anywhere?!
Lancashire Archives?
As it was a small, private, short-lived school, there might not have been any surviving records. If Mrs Harrison or her children went on to start a school elsewhere, they might have taken paperwork with them or might have destroyed it.
There might be a Pestolozzi education archive.
Have a rootle in newspapers around the time the school closed and shortly after in case they did set up somewhere else. The Harrison family were from Yorkshire so may have returned there. There was a teenage girl and 2 boys who were niece and nephews on 1861 census. Relatives of Mrs Harrison? The niece may have become a teacher/governess. Try Pestalozzi or Pestalozzian as a search term.
There are some school admission registers online. I viewed them on FindMyPast - National School Admission Registers & Log Books 1870-1914. Some of my Preston ancestors, their brothers and cousins were in them. If William's younger siblings remained/returned to Preston their names may be in them. Coverage is patchy. I found GGF + brother but not their sisters.