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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: rubymelia on Friday 21 December 18 11:19 GMT (UK)
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I recently ordered the birth certificate of my 2nd great-grandmother, Mary Ann Doran which confirms her birth date of 27th Aug 1878 (which I know to be true as it is also on the 1939 census). The birth certificate also names Mary Ann's father to be John Doran (also detailed as John on Mary Ann's marriage certificate in 1897).
I knew Mary Ann's mother was called Margaret as it is in the 1881 census.
In the birth certificate, the father's occupation is a labourer, however on Mary Ann's marriage certificate he is named as a shipwright.
Also In the birth certificate I ordered, the mother is named as Margaret Doran, previously Stewart. However, I am struggling to find any records relating a Margaret Stewart to a John Doran. I am however seeing records for a Margaret Kapene/Henry?
I was wondering about the accuracy of this birth certificate?
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Mother’s maiden name is Stewart:
DORAN, MARY ANN mmn STEWART
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 155
I assume this is the cert you have.
Jamjar
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Is this the 1881 census you mean :-\
Richmond Row, Liverpool
John I H Doran 55 Cotton Porter bn Liverpool
Margaret Doran 41 bn Workington, Cumberland
Mary A Doran 2 bn Liverpool
C H Doran Son 13 bn Liverpool
RG11/3631 f103 p16
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Is this the 1881 census you mean :-\
Richmond Row, Liverpool
John I H Doran 55 Cotton Porter bn iverpool
Margaret Doran 41 bn Workington, Cumberland
Mary A Doran 2 bn Liverpool
C H Doran Son 13 bn Liverpool
RG11/3631 f103 p16
Yes!
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Mother’s maiden name is Stewart:
DORAN, MARY ANN mmn STEWART
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 155
I assume this is the cert you have.
Jamjar
Yes that's the one I have
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Could she have been married previously?
Jun 1877 Liverpool 8b 368a
BELL Margaret
DORAN John
Jamjar
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Who did Mary Ann marry. Could you please give census reference and details for her after her marriage. Do you have her in 1891
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I’ve been looking at the 1871 census using Margaret, her birth year +-2 and place of birth. Still thinking she may have been previously married.
The Stewart family with a son Joseph isn’t her, as they are on the 1881.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n6h/
Jamjar
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Could she have been married previously?
Jun 1877 Liverpool 8b 368a
BELL Margaret
DORAN John
Jamjar
LancashireBMD index normally gives alternative surnames with a previous marriage for a female but there is nothing showing on this one. :-\
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I can't find the reference number for the marriage cert but the details are:
married: 30/01/1897
John Potter, 24, bachelor, baker, Gt Crosshall street, father (Robert Potter, Mariner)
Mary Ann Doran, 19, spinster, -, Gt Crosshall street, father (John Doran, shipwright)
married at St Peter's Church, Liverpool
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It was the census we need reference numbers for :)
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Hi sorry, these are the references for Mary Ann on the census'
1881 Piece; 3631, Folio; 103, Page number; 16
1901 Piece; 3407, Folio; 72, Page number; 14
1911; 22161
1939 sch 18, enumeration district; NHAO, registration district; 453-1
Thanks
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Thank you, I wonder where she was (and her parents) in 1891
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Same, I have struggled to find her in a census of 1891.
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Several John Henry Doran marriages in Liverpool, usually is a cotton porter, father John Doran, (cotton) broker (including those to Margarets Hannah & Henry) Are they all the same person?
One marriage was in 1853 to Alice Harris. But he was found guilty of bigamy in 1855, having previously married Catherine Sullivan in Liverpool in 1841 (Q: "was the prisoner not a mere boy at that time; aged sixteen")
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LancashireBMD index normally gives alternative surnames with a previous marriage for a female but there is nothing showing on this one. :-\
That's how I've found it to be as well, but for the John H Doran - Margaret Henry marriage in 1885 there doesn't seem to be anything on there to indicate two names for the bride. But she was a widow :(
John
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Ahh thank you for your replies, it's all a bit confusing, so many names hard to put a finger on which ones are relevant.
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LancashireBMD index normally gives alternative surnames with a previous marriage for a female but there is nothing showing on this one. :-\
My widowed ancestor married for 2nd time using her maiden name (1861). Surname of her first husband wasn't on the marriage certificate.
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is this any good on www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk
1877 211 ST ALBAN JOHN JOANNEM DORAN MARGARET MARGARITAM BELL
church record ?? or is Margaret Bell not who you are looking for - I got a little confused
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I can't find a birth for C H Doran aged 13 on the 1881 census. I wondered if this was Margaret's son from a former marriage.
There is a Charles Henry Stewart
GRO 1868 Mar Qtr Liverpool mmn Kenny
But I can't find a Stewart /Kenny marriage
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In 1891 John H. Doran is listed as 'Henry' Doran 65 Cotton Porter (as in 1881) and with him are Mary Doran dau. aged 12 - they are shown as 'lodgers' and Margaret is not with them although 'Henry' shown as married.
Annette
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I can't find the reference number for the marriage cert but the details are:
married: 30/01/1897
John Potter, 24, bachelor, baker, Gt Crosshall street, father (Robert Potter, Mariner)
Mary Ann Doran, 19, spinster, -, Gt Crosshall street, father (John Doran, shipwright)
married at St Peter's Church, Liverpool
Who were the witnesses
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I can't find the reference number for the marriage cert but the details are:
married: 30/01/1897
John Potter, 24, bachelor, baker, Gt Crosshall street, father (Robert Potter, Mariner)
Mary Ann Doran, 19, spinster, -, Gt Crosshall street, father (John Doran, shipwright)
married at St Peter's Church, Liverpool
Who were the witnesses
Daniel HAYES
Elizabeth BELLIS
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Thank you, probably not related then :-\