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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Kerrill on Saturday 22 December 18 00:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi ,
I know there is a site which relates to the foundry in Newton Le willows, I was just wondering if there is anyone who uses this site that lives in or around the iron works, I am researching Thomas Francis Mitchell who worked there for over 30 years but cannot find any info about him. He died in 1970 and was buried in Warrington cemetery,
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Death reg shows birthdate 9.4.1883 so he presumably retired 1940s or 50s.
How are you related to him? How do you know he worked @ Vulcan?
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Cannot say too much Proprietary site 1939 Register but there is a Thomas Francis Mitchell a …… man and slagman at Locomotive Works. 5 years difference in age. He is also an ARP Warden in Newton-le-Willows. Well worth subscribing to the site.
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Thanks for the swift replies, he was my granddad but I have only just found this out through a very good historian and DNA, yes he was born in 1883 in Ireland and he married a widow in 1940 who was 20 yrs younger than him (he lied about his age) he was a slag man as it says in the 1939 reg but was hoping to find out more about him and hoping someone had a photo of him from a works outing or similar. Could you tell me how to subscribe to the site?
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If that 1939 entry is your ancestor then the death in 1970 is questionable given the birthdates are totally different - not just the year of birth
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He died 8.5.1970 address 43 Bewsey St Warrington and he left a will as probate was granted on 7th August. Estate £3,500. You can buy a copy of the will for £10 via the website https:/probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
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Family Search shows a birth for Thomas Francis Mitchell March qtr 1884 Roscommon
The English 1911 has a Thomas Mitchell b 1884 Roscommon living in Lancashire
www.familysearch.org
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Thanks Carol, info coming in fast and furious, he worked in Ballinasloe hospital 1915-1920 looks like he moved to newton le willows around 1920s ;D hoping to find someone with a photo from Vulcan works now.
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Vulcan Foundry - 1954 (Part One)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpB7hkZl2N0
Vulcan Foundry - 1954 (Part Two)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaGJ8lSjvG4
Staff photos
http://enuii.com/vulcan_foundry/photographs/staff/caught%20on%20camera.htm
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Irish Genealogy https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
Search Civil Records for "Thomas Mitchell, Roscommon, 1884" for sight of birth registration.
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Thomas Francis Mitchell married Mary Degnan 1903 Chorlton and he is the one I mentioned on the 1911 census.
If your Thomas was born 1883 he would have been 57 when he married in 1940 and his bride ?? 37.
Is he the Warrington marriage?
Do you have the 1940 marriage cert? What was his fathers name and occupation?
How do you know he worked at Vulcan?
There is no Thomas Francis Mitchell marriage in 1940 so how did you get his middle name?
I wonder if the 1970 death is the person I found in 1911?
The Irish Genealogy site just shows Thomas Mitchell whereas FS entry for 1884 shows Thomas Francis
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Looking at the birth registration cert. on Irish-gen. it reads "Thomas Francis" in the "Name (if any)" column 3.
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Hi Carol, yes he was 57 she was 37 he lied about his age on the marriage cert. he was born 1883 in clooncah close to New Inn county Galway as I said before I have only recently found him to be my granddad I have been in touch with his nephews son who told me where he worked and also received a paper cutting of his obituary with his face on it and that states he worked there and also the hospital. But still trying to find out as much as I can and a photo of him at the factory would be great. Thanks for the Vulcan bits Sugar.
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Looking at the birth registration cert. on Irish-gen. it reads "Thomas Francis" in the "Name (if any)" column 3.
Duh - I didn't realise if you click on the name etc it takes you to the actual birth reg image which records him as Thomas Francis - apologies :-[
Father Patrick Charles (occ = grocer) & mother Maria nee ??Crossley??
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Kerrill
What was his fathers name on the 1940 marriage cert
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His Fathers name was Thomas on the wedding cert, he was living at 7 Derby road Newton le Willows and she lived at 30 Jockey street Warrington, His wife Rose Anne Hickman. His mothers name was Bridget Melody.
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Sorry - but quite a few things just don’t add up here.
The 1939 entry you quote has a totally different birthdate to the 1970 death you say is your ancestor
If he was born in Galway 1883 and worked there from 1915-1920 - where is he on the 1901 and 1911 Irish censuses as I can’t find any obvious entry
Where did the info come from re his mothers name? There is an 1881 marriage in Galway for a Bridget Melody but no corresponding match to a Thomas Mitchell
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Wow Carol, this is the 1901 census but don't be alarmed at his age he tells a lot of porkies, I found him to be working as a servant in the Ballinasloe asylum in 1911.
Name: Thomas Mitchell
Gender: Male
Age: 16
Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Son
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street: Clooncak
District: Killimor
County: Galway
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Mitchell 55
Bridget Mitchell 54
Michael Mitchell 23
Henry Mitchell 21
John Mitchell 19
Thomas Mitchell 16
Margaret Mitchell 12
URL: http://www.census.nationalarch.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Ballinasloe_Urban/Townparks/448725
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Killimor/Clooncak/1386149/
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Hi Kerrill
Unfortunately - I have an “inquisitive” mind and when things don’t add up I can’t help asking questions in case somebody is perhaps following the wrong information. In this case - it’s the middle name of Francis and the birthdates that bother me.
Also - for him to be your grandfather - he must have fathered either your mother or father yet you say you have only just discovered him. That makes sense if you were born after his death and both your parents are now deceased. I was in that same position on my paternal side.
Does his name appear on your mother/fathers birth cert? If not - has the info been obtained via the DNA you mentioned earlier?
Apart from the 1970 death - nothing else has him as Thomas Francis Mitchell. 1940 marriage and the Irish 1911 you quote both have him as plain Thomas.
When people lie about their ages they usually manipulate their birthyear but keep the day and month of birth. In this case - we have a 1939 entry for Thomas Francis Mitchell born 12.6.1888. That info was recorded the year before he married so I wonder why he would knock 5 yrs off his age at that time?
However - The death in 1970 has 9.4.1883 as his birthdate
How was his actual birthplace of Galway discovered? Did the historian find his birth cert and if so under what birthdate as his age on the 1911 does not support either 1883 or 1888.
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Have sent you a PM, his wed cert says he is 50 and she is 37 but he was 20yrs older as we know from his birth cert .
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