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Hi there, I'm hoping someone might be able to help. My great-grandfather's brother was Charles Bertram Hall, born in Chichester around 1871/2. Ancestry lists his baptism as 25 February 1871, and his birth is indexed in January 1872. I have census records for 1881 and 1891 and a possible 1911 census where he shares the same occupation as his father (baker), but after that nothing. Ancestry lists a Charles Bertram Hall in their Michigan Naturalisation Records with a US Census entry in 1920, but I can't access these on my subscription. This may or may not be the same person who may have emigrated. If someone were able to let me know whether there's anything in the US records that might confirm if this is the same CB Hall or not I'd be very grateful.
Many thanks for any help.
Best wishes,
Jon.
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Hi this Charles Bertram Hall was born 30.1 /1872 Chichester Sussex
He was married to a Rose Gillam Hall ..Their last residence was Brighton Sussex ..address now
125,Grandy Avenue Detroit Michigan ..his occupation is machine operator
They arrived New York 19/11/1911 on the ship Philadelphia
Rosie
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Familysearch has them in 1920 Detroit
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRXC-HYS?i=21&cc=1488411
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Michigan Death Record - Charles Hall - 30 Jan 1873 England - aged 56 years
Passed away 3 Aug 1929 - Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA
Father Richard Hall - Mother Ellen Hall
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KF44-FVK
Sandra
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Wife Rose Gillam Hall - 15 March 1877 Chichester England passed away 15 May 1939 Detroit, Wayne, Michigan.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFW7-Y16
Sandra
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Hi everyone, thanks for the replies, very much appreciated and really helpful. I had no idea that they'd emigrated so thank you for checking the US records. I guess I must have a few distant US cousins then!
BW, Jon
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The 1920 census Rosie shows above lists a son Marcus B Hall - Marcus born 25 February 1906 - passed away 15 July 1974 - Grosse Pte Farms, Wayne, Michigan.
Residence Warren, Macomb, Michigan.
Marcus B Hall married Blanche Smith 1 January 1932 - Detroit, Wayne, Michigan.
Blanche parents - George Smith - Mother Margaret Weir.
SSDI - Blanche Hall - born 29 May 1907 passed away 9 March 1995 - Last Residence
48093 Warren, Macomb, Michigan.
Sandra
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Thanks so much Sandra, very exciting :)
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1930 census Van Dyke Detroit, Wayne, Michigan.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7S7-VNM
5260 Bedford Detroit, Wayne, Michigan 1940
Marcus Hill 33 born England.
Blanche Hill 32 born Michigan.
Margaret Ann Hill 7 born Michigan.
Earl S Smith 23 brother-in-law.
John Runes 46
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHSF-5B3
Sandra
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Daughter Eva Hall mentioned on the 1920 census married Robert Mitchell - 15 February 1930 Detroit, Wayne, Michigan.
Eva Mitchell and Robert are mentioned on the 1930 census with mother Rose Hall.
1940 census shows the couple with a daughter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHSJ-S86
Robert Mitchell - 19 March 1908 - passed away March 1984 - Last Residence
48185 Westland, Wayne, Michigan. SSN issued Illinois (Before 1951)
Sandra
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Obituary for Marcus B Hall - Detroit Free Press - 18 July 1974 - Page 46
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26554162/marcus_b_hall/
Sandra
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Death Notice for Blanche nee Smith Hall (wife of Marcus) - Detroit Free Press - 10 March 1995 - page 12
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26554290/blanche_hall/
Sandra
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Wow, that's great, thanks so much Sandra :) :)
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You're very welcome. Pleased to help. ;)
Richard W Hall son of Charles and Rose nee Gillam Hall married Ruth Sanders 1st November 1931 Detroit, Wayne, Michigan.
Ruths parents - Charles H Sanders - Mother Margaret A Austin
1940 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KH92-FZQ
Sandra
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California Death Index shows - Ruth Lois Hall - Birth Date 21 Nov 1915 Kansas
passed away 18 Mar 1981 San Bernardino California
Mother's Maiden Name Austin - Father's Surname Sanders
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VGBV-ZBC
Sandra
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California Death Index - Richard William Hall - 9 July 1912 Michigan passed away 28 December 1983
Riverside California.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VG17-ZGB
Sandra
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1940 census - reply 13 - lists the children of Richard and Ruth.
Patricia nee Hall Wilkerson - born 7 July 1936 Ohio passed away 30 March 1994 Los Angeles -
Mother's Maiden Name Sanders - Father's Surname Hall
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPDZ-1L5
Patricia (aged 18 years) probably married twice - First to Robert F Howe (aged 19 years) - 11 June 1955 - Los Angeles, California.
Again in Nevada - 28 March 1971 to Virgil Wilkerson - recorded date 7 Apr 1971 Washoe
Sandra
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Albert E Hall - son of Charles and Rose Gillam Hall - Albert born 25 Apr 1908 passed away 31 Oct 1992 Riverside Hospital Toledo, Lucas, Ohio. Mothers maiden name Gillam -
Marital Status Widowed.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VKGL-T25
http://obits.toledolibrary.org/obits/view1_cart.asp?id1=25579
Albert married 24 August 1929 - Detroit, Wayne, Michigan - parents Charles Hall
Mother Rose Gillam. Spouse - Doris Mitchell -
Death of a female child 27 November 1934 - Toledo Lucas Ohio
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X672-F17
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PR4-HSZ?cc=1307272
1940 census Toledo, Lucas, Ohio.
Albert Hall 31 - Doris Hall 29 - Son "C" Hall 3
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KWDH-FWY
"C"named after grand-father.
FIND A GRAVE
Albert E Hall - 1908 - 1992
Forest Lawn Cemetery Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan.
Plot Section 8 Lot 122
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/133169488
spouse Doris Mitchell Hall - 1911 - 1979 -
Forest Lawn Cemetery Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan.
Plot Sec 8 Lot 122
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/133169409/doris-mitchell-hall
Ohio death Index - Doris Hall 1911 - 10 September 1979 Toledo, Lucas, Ohio. Aged 68 years.
Certificate - 065195
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VKY5-Y52
SSDI- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JPKZ-G2Z
Sandra
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U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 - Ella Hall Turner - 28 September 1903 - passed away 17 Jun 1994 - Father Charles Hall - Mother Rose Gilliam -
https://macombvitals.macombcountymi.gov/death.php
Ella R Hall married 8 October 1921 - Detroit, Wayne, Michigan - spouse Francis A Turner -
1930 census Concord Avenue Detroit, Wayne, Michigan.
Frank Turner 35 Ellen R Turner 26
Robert L Turner 8 Leonard G Turner 6
William H Turner 5 Rose M Turner 3 Lillian L Turner 2
Herbert Howey 21
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X79R-2Y7
1940 census Van Dyke Avenue detroit Wayne Michigan
Frank Turner 42
Ella R Turner 36
Robert Turner 18
Leonard Turner 16
William Turner 15
Rose M Turner 13
Lillian Turner 12
daughter "E M" Turner 4
son "D" Turner 1
Edward Dragan 25
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KH91-1VY
Sandra
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Ella Turner Death Notice - Detroit Free Press - 20 June 1994 - page 12
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26559062/ellaturner/
Sandra
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Hi there, I'm hoping someone might be able to help. My great-grandfather's brother was Charles Bertram Hall, born in Chichester around 1871/2. Ancestry lists his baptism as 25 February 1871, and his birth is indexed in January 1872. I have census records for 1881 and 1891 and a possible 1911 census where he shares the same occupation as his father (baker), but after that nothing. Ancestry lists a Charles Bertram Hall in their Michigan Naturalisation Records with a US Census entry in 1920, but I can't access these on my subscription. This may or may not be the same person who may have emigrated. If someone were able to let me know whether there's anything in the US records that might confirm if this is the same CB Hall or not I'd be very grateful.
Many thanks for any help.
Best wishes,
Jon.
Charles Hall died in 1929.
Death Certificate: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n6w/
His wife Rose died in 1939.
Death Certificate: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n6x/
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Their son Albert E. died in 1992
Obit: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n6y/
Albert's wife Doris died in 1979.
Obit: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n6z/
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Daughter Eva Hall mentioned on the 1920 census married Robert Mitchell - 15 February 1930 Detroit, Wayne, Michigan.
Eva Mitchell and Robert are mentioned on the 1930 census with mother Rose Hall.
1940 census shows the couple with a daughter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHSJ-S86
Robert Mitchell - 19 March 1908 - passed away March 1984 - Last Residence
48185 Westland, Wayne, Michigan. SSN issued Illinois (Before 1951)
Sandra
Eva Mitchell - 28 February 1911 passed away 29 August 1995 - Last Residence:
48093 Warren, Macomb, Michigan.
SSN issued Michigan (1951-1952)
Detroit Free Press - 31 August 1995 - Page 22
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26560123/eva_mitchell/
Sandra
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Barbara Joyce Maunz - daughter of Eva nee Hall Mitchell -
SSDI - Barbara Joyce Maunz (nee Mitchell) - 24 January 1937 passed away 30 December 2010 -
Obituary :- http://wujekcalcaterra.tributes.com/obituary/show/Barbara-Joyce-Maunz-90494412
https://macombvitals.macombcountymi.gov/death.php
Sandra
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Karl Maunz - husband of Barbara Joyce nee Mitchell Maunz -
Detroit Free Press - Page 20 - 6 April 2007
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26561310/karl_maunz/
Sandra
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Hi there, I'm hoping someone might be able to help. My great-grandfather's brother was Charles Bertram Hall, born in Chichester around 1871/2. Ancestry lists his baptism as 25 February 1871, and his birth is indexed in January 1872. I have census records for 1881 and 1891 and a possible 1911 census where he shares the same occupation as his father (baker), but after that nothing. Ancestry lists a Charles Bertram Hall in their Michigan Naturalisation Records with a US Census entry in 1920, but I can't access these on my subscription. This may or may not be the same person who may have emigrated. If someone were able to let me know whether there's anything in the US records that might confirm if this is the same CB Hall or not I'd be very grateful.
Many thanks for any help.
Best wishes,
Jon.
It looks as if Charles Hall and Rose Gillam Hall with there children immigrated to Michigan perhaps because the brother of Rose - Thomas Gillam was already living and married there.
Not the line you are following but a few snippets on the Gillam family.
marriage - Thomas J Gillam to Maude P Roush - 12 September 1906 - Wayne Michigan.
Thomas parents - William Gillam - Mother's Name Anna Harmar.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VNLD-DCW
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-JXW9-C?i=245&cc=1810350
1900 Milwaukee Avenue Detroit Ward 5, Wayne, Michigan. (living with Thomas Morley and loads of others)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9B1-QWZ
Thomas Gillam March 1882 - single - boarder - painter - carriage -
1910 census Brandemere Hamtramck, Wayne, Michigan.
Thomas Gillam 28
Maude Gillam 23
William Gillam 2
Orris D Gillam 0
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLT8-9VR
1920 Census California Highland Park, Wayne, Michigan.
Thomas Gillam 36 Maude Gillam 32
William Gillam 12 - Orris Gillam 10 - Thomas Gillam 5
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ7P-ZJP
1930 Census Westchester Street Grosse Pointe Park, Wayne, Michigan.
Thomas J Gillam 47
Maude M Gillam 43
William J Gillam 22
Orris D Gillam 20
Thomas W Gillam 15
Robert C Gillam 9
Minnie Mcclemont 56 sister-in-law.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7SB-H1X
1940 Census California Avenue Highland Park, Wayne, Michigan.
Thomas J Gillan 57
Maude M Gillan 53
Thomas W Gillan 25
Robert C Gillan 19
Orris D Gillan 30
Rosella F Gillan 27
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHM4-48W
Thomas James Gillam born 5 April 1882 Brighton England passed away 18 October 1947 Highland Park, Wayne, Michigan.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFQC-WKJ
WW1 Draft Registration Card -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6XC-RLS
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G18M-HG2?cc=1968530
WW2 Draft Registration Card
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J4ST-YG4
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-K4SZ-ZB?cc=1861144
Sandra
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There is a US Border crossing Canada to the USA - 12 August 1904 - for Thomas Gillam - aged 22 years - painter - single - last residence Brighton. Home 4 Lyman Place detroit. - had been in the USA 1898 - 1904 -
travelling with him was Mary Gillam - aged 29 years - spinster - last residence Brighton - had been in the USA 1894 - 1896.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X2NC-F57
New York Passenger List 29 september 1898 - Southampton to New York - on the Pennland - Thomas Gillam - Coach Painter -
Sandra
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Another Gillam brother Harry Gillam was also in Michigan - Harry Gillam born 1874 and aged 25 years married 11 February 1899 Detroit, Wayne, Michigan. Spouse Hannah Rebekay - parents - Wm Gillam
Mother Ann Harmer.
1900 census Grand River Ave Detroit Ward 4, Wayne, Michigan.
H Gillam 26 born England. Imm 1891. Poultry dealer. married 1899.
Hannah Gillam 26 born Germany.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9BY-2KX
1910 Calumet Avenue Detroit Ward 4, Wayne, Michigan.
Harry Gillam 33
Johanna Gillam 34
Henry Gillam 8
Helen Gillam 6
Edward Gillam 4
Frederick Gillam 2
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLTJ-49W
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RVF-9MDM?cc=1727033
1920 census Calvert Ave Detroit Ward 4, Wayne, Michigan.
Harry Gillam 46
Johanna Gillam 39
Henry Gillam 19
Ileenn Gillam 16
Edward Gillam 14
Frederick Gillam 11
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZW3-J37
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRNF-46T?cc=1488411
1930 census Glynn Court Detroit, Wayne, Michigan.
Edward Gillien 25
Esther M Gillien 24
Jacqueline R Gillien 4
Hannah Gillien 50
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X793-WXJ
WW1 Draft - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6NF-2ZS
Passport Application - Harry Gillam for a visit to see relatives -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV5B-HB52
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9X3-MCHY?cc=2185145
Sandra
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Thanks for your message. Always pleased to help. Hope you enjoy adding all the info. Shout if you need anything further. ;)
Happy New Year
Sandra ;)
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Hi Sandra,
You're very kind. One small favour if I may then, I've been trying to locate the passenger arrival lists on the ship Philadelphia for 19/11/1911 that another respondent mentioned on FamilySearch without any luck. I may not be searching FamilySearch correctly or maybe it's in Ancestry's US records, but if there's a link to the original document I'd love to be able to see it. Hope that's OK to ask.
Thanks again and Happy New Year to you too.
Jon :)
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This was the one I looked at yesterday (Charles was under Bert Hall ;D) Lines 3 thru to 8 (don't forget to go over to the next page ;))
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9TW-B94R-4?i=372&cc=1368704
Regards
Sandra
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Ah! Thanks Sandra, I should have guessed that. On the 1891 census he's listed as Birt! Thanks for finding it for me :)
Best wishes,
Jon.
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Pleased to help. ;D
Sandra
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Helen Eva Turner (wife of"R") - 9 May 1915 - 2 July 2009 - Last Residence Sun City West, 85375, Maricopa, Arizona. SSN issued Michigan - Before 1951
Helen Stepniak married "R" - 7 Jan 1950 Detroit Michigan.
Father - Mike Stepniak - Mother Anna Demski
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KR81-RFC
Sandra
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William on the 1930 / 1940 in earlier reply census was William Marcus Turner -
William (FatherFrank Turner - Mother Ella Hall) married 24 may 1952 - Shirley Lorraine Robb - Detroit, Wayne, Michigan.
The couple divorced 11 Jun 1973 (will send Ohio Divorce Abstract by pm for you to have a look at the grounds.)
Couple had 3 children.
William did remarry - Remarriage 31 May 1979)
William had been married once previously - Phyllis A Weddle twice.
Will send Phyllis divorce record
Sandra
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Hi Sandra, thank you, you are so kind :) I'm grateful too for your reply 're. Ella Hall, really.helpful, so read the Divorce grounds message with interest!
BW, Jon
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Second wife of William Marcus Turner -
FIND A GRAVE
Phyllis Ann Moran Turner - 1940 - 1987
Cedar Hill Cemetery Trotwood, Montgomery County, Ohio,.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/85997455
Sandra
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This was the first wife (remarried) of William Marcus Turner
FIND A GRAVE
Shirley Lorraine Robb Ferguson 1928 - 2016 (obit attached)
Woodland Cemetery Xenia, Greene County, Ohio.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/166962318
Obit - https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/dayton-oh/shirley-ferguson-7009475
Sandra
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Albert E Hall - Albert born 25 Apr 1908 passed away 31 Oct 1992 Riverside Hospital Toledo, Lucas, Ohio.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/133169488
Ohio death Index - Doris Hall 1911 - 10 September 1979 Toledo, Lucas, Ohio. Aged 68 years.
Certificate - 065195
Albert E Hall
Toledo Blade
Nov 2, 1992
pg 12
Obit: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qrp/
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Doris Hall
Toledo Blade
Sep 11, 1979
pg 9
Obit: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qrq/