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Title: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Friday 28 December 18 18:00 GMT (UK)
Help please looking for census and marriage
1911
GRIFFITHS, JOHN WILLIAM HEAD MARRIED M 34 LABOURER AT PAPER MILL AND ENGINEER FITTER WALSALL ST WOLVERHAMPTON STAFFS
GRIFFITHS, SUSAN [thompson] WIFE MARRIED 4 F 32 NEWTOWN STAFFORD
GRIFFITHS, ELSIE MAY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 2 HAUNGHWOOD RD STOCKINGFORD NUNEATON TAMWORTH STAFFS
GRIFFITHS, GLADYS EVELYN DAUGHTER SINGLE F 1 1 SPRING GARDEN NUNEATON TAMWORTH STAFFS

01 Jul 1907 marriage place ?
Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: Nic. on Friday 28 December 18 18:18 GMT (UK)
I can find the following on FindMyPast

Q3 1907 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire vol 6B page 1113
Susan Thompson
John William Griffiths

 :)
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 28 December 18 18:22 GMT (UK)

GRIFFITHS, GLADYS EVELYN DAUGHTER SINGLE F 1 1 SPRING GARDEN NUNEATON TAMWORTH STAFFS

01 Jul 1907 marriage place ?
Geoff

Is this age correct
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 28 December 18 18:24 GMT (UK)
I can find the following on FindMyPast

Q3 1907 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire vol 6B page 1113
Susan Thompson
John William Griffiths

 

? But if you know exact date of marriage why do you not know where it took place?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 28 December 18 18:26 GMT (UK)
British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920

1 July 1907 Wolverhampton to Susan Thompson (Spinster) - Rev W G Flack

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Friday 28 December 18 18:36 GMT (UK)
Thanks 1`m guessing it`s 1 at 1 spring gardens /
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Friday 28 December 18 18:39 GMT (UK)

Just had the marriage date in some old notes, bringing it up to date plus any earlier facts
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 28 December 18 19:16 GMT (UK)
Hi if the Walsall Street is the correct birth place/address for John W Griffiths, we have this family living there in 1881 census:-

John Griffiths 25
Sarah Ann 26
Alice Jane 4
John 3
Florence 1
Census ref RG11/2815/109/7
Keyboard86

PS Same address 1891 census RG12/2243/164/6

This John was registered March qtr 1878 Wolverhampton mmn Lester
(No middle initial "W" )
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 29 December 18 11:06 GMT (UK)
Hello Sandra
Can you give me a link where I can look up John William Griffiths service information etc
Thanks
Geoff :D
Happy New Year your message box was full could not send a PM!
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 29 December 18 11:07 GMT (UK)
British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920

1 July 1907 Wolverhampton to Susan Thompson (Spinster) - Rev W G Flack

Sandra

These records are on ancestry subscription site. Do you have access ?

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 29 December 18 11:34 GMT (UK)
Drat sorry I don`t
Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 29 December 18 11:36 GMT (UK)
Thanks Keyboard need to check those look very likely
Geoff :D
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 29 December 18 12:03 GMT (UK)


 ;)
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 29 December 18 17:08 GMT (UK)
Hi if the Walsall Street is the correct birth place/address for John W Griffiths, we have this family living there in 1881 census:-

John Griffiths 25
Sarah Ann 26
Alice Jane 4
John 3
Florence 1
Census ref RG11/2815/109/7
Keyboard86

PS Same address 1891 census RG12/2243/164/6

This John was registered March qtr 1878 Wolverhampton mmn Lester
(No middle initial "W" )

I really am unsure of this John Griffiths, as in 1881/91 and birth registration, he was John Griffiths?
This John snr 21 occ Engineer,  married Sarah Ann Lester 21 Ettingshall 6th February 1876
So was their a John W Griffiths b c 1877/8 born or living in Walsall Street?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 29 December 18 17:54 GMT (UK)
This is the only one on Wolverhampton Index`s
GRIFFITHS John son of John & Saha 26 Jan 1841 Walsall Street Roll turner W.A.Newman St.George
Wrong Year
Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 29 December 18 18:07 GMT (UK)
Hi that is what is worrying me, if this is his baptism then he is still a plain John.

John Griffiths 9th March 1882 Father John occ Engine Driver Mother Sarah Anne address, 7, Walsall Street
Keyboard86
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 29 December 18 18:08 GMT (UK)
Free BMD entries
Births Sep 1877   
GRIFFITHS    John        Wolverhampton    6b   633      
Births Dec 1877   
Griffiths    John William    Wolverhampton    6b   628    
Births Mar 1878   
GRIFFITHS    John        Wolverhampton    6b   655    
GRIFFITHS    John Emnson    Wolverhampton    6b   534   
Griffiths    John Eunson    Wolverhampton    6b   534   
GRIFFITHS    John George    Wolverhampton    6b   632    
Births Dec 1878   
Griffiths    John William    Wolverhampton    6b   618
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 29 December 18 18:14 GMT (UK)
Hi the 1877 one is mmn Duley, 1878 mmn Birch
Keyboard86
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 29 December 18 18:51 GMT (UK)
Hi again, from what I can see Susan was still with a John W, and dies Dec qtr 1956 Wolverhampton b c 1877, John W b c 1875?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 29 December 18 19:04 GMT (UK)
Yes she died 8 Oct 1956
Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 29 December 18 19:11 GMT (UK)
Yes she died 8 Oct 1956
Geoff

It still does not help us with birth of John William apparently b 31st March 1875, Mabel b 1914 is with them, and she marries a Ward.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 29 December 18 19:18 GMT (UK)
I have her married to a Norman Ward no date, she was born mar in Tamworth
Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 29 December 18 19:21 GMT (UK)

marriage - registered June 1941

Ward    Norman    Griffiths    Wolverhampton    6b   1610   


Griffiths    Mabel    Ward    Wolverhampton    6b   1610

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 29 December 18 19:25 GMT (UK)


Mabel Ward - 3 feb 1914 - aged 63 years - passed away September 1977 Wolverhampton. West Midlands
Volume 34 - Page 0767

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 29 December 18 19:34 GMT (UK)


son Philip Edward Griffiths - 7 July 1912 - passed away September 1975 - registered Havering Greater London aged 63 years -
Volume 13 - Page  0333

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 29 December 18 19:38 GMT (UK)

Phillip E Griffiths married Ruby I Tottman
Registration Date Oct-Nov-Dec 1951 - Romford Essex
Volume Number 5a - Page Number 920

Marriage to Ruby I Tottman - Registration Date Oct-Nov-Dec 1951 - Romford Essex - 5a 920


Ruby Ivy Griffiths - 7 March 1915 passed away November 1998 Barking and Dagenham Essex
Aged 83 years -
Register Number A19 District and Subdistrict 2181

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 29 December 18 19:53 GMT (UK)
Yes she died 8 Oct 1956
Geoff

It still does not help us with birth of John William apparently b 31st March 1875, Mabel b 1914 is with them, and she marries a Ward.
Keyboard86

If you know where/when Susan died, when/where did John W die?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 29 December 18 20:01 GMT (UK)
Thanks I had most info on Susan :Thompson family, but not Griffiths other than the 1911 I posted
That is building up nicely, but still need His parents and marriage info
Geoff
looks like I am going to have to buy a marriage certificate
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 29 December 18 20:11 GMT (UK)
 :) Hi I agree with purchase of marriage certificate, but you have no idea when/where John William Griffiths died is that correct?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 29 December 18 20:16 GMT (UK)
No but he was alive on the 1931 records, with Susan
Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Sunday 30 December 18 10:57 GMT (UK)
Thanks Sandra very helpful
Geoff 8)
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Sunday 30 December 18 11:00 GMT (UK)
I meant 1939 Register, a couple of years ago
Thanks
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Monday 31 December 18 12:02 GMT (UK)
Phillip E Griffiths was born 07 Jul 1912 in Tamworth. He married Ruby I Tottman Oct 1851. She was born 07 Mar 1915 and died Nov 1998 in age 83 Barking and Dagenham Essex, daughter of Kane ?
His death poss wolverhampton ? Any Children ?
Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 31 December 18 12:10 GMT (UK)
Hi again, looks to be a male 1954 Bethnal Green and female 1957 Romford both Griffiths/Tottman
Keyboard86

PS also a male 1953 Romford? looks to have died June qtr 1953 Wolverhampton aged 0
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 31 December 18 17:33 GMT (UK)
Ernest Tottman (bachelor - Porter) married Jane Rane (spinster) - registered June 1896 - Hackney -1b 767
All Saints, Clapton Park, Hackney. Father -George Rane (postman)  - Spouse:   Ernest Tottman

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 31 December 18 17:35 GMT (UK)

1901 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9CL-N82

Ernest Tottman   30 Jane Tottman   25
George E Tottman 3 John C Tottman   10 months

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 31 December 18 17:36 GMT (UK)

Ernest Tottman passed away 1920 - registered June 1920 - Hackney london - 1 b 473

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 31 December 18 17:38 GMT (UK)

Jane nee Rane Tottman - 1875 - December 1959 - aged 84 years - Ilford Essex -5a 367

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Monday 21 January 19 13:55 GMT (UK)
marriage Jul 1907 St Pauls Church All saints Wolverhampton. John William Griffiths age 30 Puddler 17 dartmouth st Wolverhampton father **Harry Griffiths Puddler**
Susan Thompson 27  of 35 duke St Wolverhampton father Joseph Thompson Engine drivere
Looking for any info re Harry Griffiths please
Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Tuesday 29 January 19 12:53 GMT (UK)
The John William Griffiths 1877 birth 1 nov 1877, Bridge St Willenhall was parents James a Brasscaster and Mary Ann Duley - cont looking...
Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Thursday 31 January 19 14:16 GMT (UK)
is there a HARRY or another GRIFFITHS family in *dartmouth street Wolverhampton 1901*
 John William Griffiths age 30 Puddler 17 dartmouth st Wolverhampton father **Harry Griffiths Puddler** and also in *Walsall street on the 1911*
Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Sunday 10 February 19 17:24 GMT (UK)
The John William Griffiths 1878 birth 28 September Church St Willenhall Wolverhampton was parents Caleb an iron polisher and Ann Maria Birch - cont looking...
Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Thursday 21 February 19 13:24 GMT (UK)
Using FindMyPast address search I can`t open the results for 117 Dartmouth Street Wolverhampton 1901 looking for HARRY Griffiths or Just Griffiths, would be happy to buy credits
Also the same for 1911 and 1939 ? register, if you could please assist.
marriage place 1907 John William Griffiths, Puddlers in ironworks also his father HARRY
geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 21 February 19 17:42 GMT (UK)
Hi a Thomas P Beanie? 44 is at what looks like 117, at 116 is a Harriett Griffiths 38 Married/Visitor b Shrewsbury to an Onions family.
Census ref for 1901 RG13/2683/102/44
Keyboard86
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Friday 22 February 19 15:12 GMT (UK)
In 1901 Susan   Thompson   Visitor   Single   Female   22   1879 at Jobbins Family Stafford mothers home.
she married from 35 Duke Street Wolverhampton in 1907 what family were there in 1901
Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 22 February 19 16:13 GMT (UK)
Hi again, I do not know if the reply re 117, Dartmouth Street was acceptable, but in 1901 Duke Street number 35 was not shown, it ended at number 30?
RG13/2571107/28

Why do you think in that era, families stayed in the same street/household?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 22 February 19 16:16 GMT (UK)
Not what you asked for  -  British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 - Susan Thompson - (W J Griffiths) married 1 July 1907 Wolverhampton.

John William Griffiths Birth Date:   abt 1876 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Enlistment Age 38 - Marriage Dat 1 Jul 1907 Wolverhampton
Document Year   1914
Regimental Number 275217217 - Regiment Name Royal Artillery
Army Reserve (Special Reserve)

John William Griffiths   Self (Head)
Susan Thompson   Spouse
Elsie May Griffiths   Child 9/4/09
Gladys E Griffiths   Child 26/6/10
Philip E Griffiths   Child 7/7/12
Mabel Griffiths   Child 4/2/14

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 22 February 19 16:21 GMT (UK)

1911 on the free index for John and Susan with 2 children.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW72-4YF

Sandra

Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Friday 22 February 19 16:26 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that information am trying and hoping to expand it, re Susan Thompson as her family were in Stafford she may have been staying with Griffiths relatives for the marriage as it looks likely that census results might provide.
Certificates to date not proving helpful or conclusive.
Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Sunday 24 February 19 15:05 GMT (UK)
Looking to explore further John and Susans Childrens Children, 39 Records, Army, and Births other
Griffiths, Gladys Evelyn b.  1910 Tamworth d.  1970 Wolverhampton m. Tooth, Joseph m1939
Griffiths, Phillip E b.  07 Jul 1912 Tamworth m. Tottman, Ruby 1998 Barking and Dagenham m1957
Griffiths, Mabel b. 03 Feb 1914 Tamworth d. Sep 1977 age 63 Wolverhampton m. Ward, Norman m1941
Geoff
(Griffiths, Elsie May b.  1909 Nuneaton d.  1967 Wolverhampton m. Landucci,, Arnold 1933
 Son Arnold Lieutenant Colonel Retired Passed away on September 25, 2011 personal message replies only please] living relatives
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 24 February 19 15:13 GMT (UK)
Sent details of funerals - rather than putting the link here.  Originally printed on September 30, 2011 in the Express and Star and Originally printed on October 4, 2011 in the Express and Star.

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 24 February 19 15:46 GMT (UK)

Griffiths, Phillip E b.  07 Jul 1912 Tamworth m. Tottman, Ruby 1998 Barking and Dagenham m1957


This couple marriage registered in December 1951

Phillip E Griffith    TOTTMAN    Romford    5a   920
Ruby I Tottman    GRIFFITHS    Romford    5a   920

Sandra

Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 24 February 19 15:50 GMT (UK)

Ruby Ivy Griffiths - 7 Mar 1915 passed away November 1998 Barking and Dagenham.

Perhaps one daughter born March 1957 - Romford - check free bmd.

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 24 February 19 15:53 GMT (UK)

Philip Edward Griffiths - 7 July 1912 - aged 63 years -
Registration Date Sep 1975 Havering Greater London - Volume 13 Page 0333

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 24 February 19 15:59 GMT (UK)

Griffiths, Mabel b. 03 Feb 1914 Tamworth d. Sep 1977 age 63 Wolverhampton m. Ward, Norman m1941


Norman Ward - Age 88 years - Birth Date 31 March  1915 - Registration Date Oct 2003 Wolverhampton Midlands - Register Number C71A - District and Subdistrict 077/1C

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 24 February 19 16:00 GMT (UK)

Mabel Ward - 3 February 1914 - September 1977 Wolverhampton West Midlands.
Volume 34 Page 0767

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 24 February 19 17:18 GMT (UK)

Griffiths, Gladys Evelyn b.  1910 Tamworth d.  1970 Wolverhampton m. Tooth, Joseph m1939


Not sure you have the correct Gladys marriage on this one.
A Gladys M Griffiths did marry a Joseph T A Tooth 1929 - Wolverhampton Staffordshire.  This Gladys was born 19 Februay 1902 whereas your Gladys was born 26/6/1910

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Sunday 24 February 19 17:30 GMT (UK)
Good spot thank`s , is
GRIFFITHS, GLADYS EVELYN born Tamworth 26/6/10
not M
Geoff
 Still living on the 1911, but not at home on the 1939 record, poss marr, death
 1 SPRING GARDEN NUNEATON TAMWORTH STAFFS
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 24 February 19 17:56 GMT (UK)
Didn't see a death for a Gladys born 26/6/1910 but wonder if this was a possibility for your Gladys -  ???

GRIFFITHS    Gladys E    9    Wolverhampton    6b   450 - Sept 1919  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Tuesday 26 February 19 08:52 GMT (UK)
COMPLETED THIS LINE Griffiths, Elsie May b.  1909
thanks Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Tuesday 26 February 19 17:35 GMT (UK)
New consideration
Daughter of John William Griffiths and Susan Thompson
marriage June 1941
Mabel Ward - 3 feb 1914 - aged 63 years -
passed away September 1977 Wolverhampton. West Midlands
Norman Ward - Age 88 years - Birth Date 31 March 1915
Death Registration Date Oct 2003 Wolverhampton
Poss Children Living - Died or Married
Births Mar 1942   
Ward    Mavis C    Griffiths    Wolverhampton    6b   1113      
Births Sep 1947   
 Ward    Norman L    Griffiths    Wolverhampton    9b   1614      
Births Sep 1950   
Ward    Stanley J P    Griffiths    Wolverhampton    9b   1238      
Births Sep 1959 
Ward    Annette    Griffiths    Wolverhampton    9b   1228    
Ward    Anthony    Griffiths    Wolverhampton    9b   1229      
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ? COMPLETED
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 02 March 19 13:40 GMT (UK)
Thank`s
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 09 March 19 13:24 GMT (UK)
Witness at marriage of John and Susan were William and Nellie SWINTON 1907 All Saints Wolverhampton
 brother and sister or husband and wife ?
geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 09 March 19 19:03 GMT (UK)

John William Griffiths - possible related 1901 census
lived at 14 Lower Gungate Tamworth - had served in Royal Artillery Army record
 
53   13   GRIFFITHS   William J.           95 Gungate
53   13   GRIFFITHS   Jeanie           95 Gungate
53   13   GRIFFITHS   Leonard J.           95 Gungate
53   13   GRIFFITHS   Millicent J.           95 Gungate
53   13   GRIFFITHS   Joshua           96 Gungate
53   13   GRIFFITHS   Sarah           96 Gungate
53   13   GRIFFITHS   Edwin           96 Gungate
53   13   GRIFFITHS   Horace M.           96 Gungate
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Wednesday 13 March 19 09:58 GMT (UK)
About Griffiths, Harry henry
cant find any Harry Griffiths that fits,
Having looked at the marriage certificate and studied it there is a close possibility of the Fathers name as it is handwritten could be Henry not Harry ? further thought and proof needed before more progress.

Harry is often used as a nickname for Henry

Wolverhampton St Matthew.
Marriage date 11 Oct 1874.
Henry GRIFFITHS. 24. Bachelor Puddler. Chapel Street.
Martha RICH. 21. Spinster. Chapel Street.
Witness Richard TENNANT, and Betsy GRIFFITHS.
Notes Banns; Grooms father deceased; Brides father deceased; Recorded by John E GLADSTONE.
Credit Barb Jones.
Age is slightly out compaired to 1911 census
GRIFFITHS, JOHN mother RICH.
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 562.
1891.
William L Davis 39. labourer at brick yard.
Martha Davis 40.
John Griffiths 17. stepson. labourer at brick yard.
Elizabeth Griffiths 12. Stepdaughter
William J Davis 8.
All born Wolverhampton.
Credit Jimmy.

Martha Griffiths married William Davies in 1886.

death,
GRIFFITHS, HENRY age 37.
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 395.

1881. Gas Yard Union Mill St, Wolverhampton.
Sarah Higgins 65. widow.
John Rich 31. Son.
Martha Griffiths 29. dau. married.
John Griffiths 6. son.
Elizabeth Griffiths 2. dau.
Martha Collings 61. boarder.

Thank's for this it is very interesting
GRIFFITHS Elizabeth dau.of Henry & Martha 22 Apr 1879 Moseley Village Pudler R.H.Snape Heath Town
indicates john as 4 years older 1875

Was he in Tamworth with relatives earlier
Joined address John William Griffiths - Regimental Number 275217217 - Royal Artillery
lived at 14 Lower Gungate Tamworth - had served in Royal Artillery -
attested 13/8/1914 - discharged 21/9/1916
intended address 14 lower Gungate Tamworth crossed out on this page -
83 Walsall Street Wolverhampton 19/11/1921 - wife Susan
1901 Tamworth (could be relatives)
53   13   GRIFFITHS   William J.   95 Gungate Tamworth
53   13   GRIFFITHS   Jeanie   95 Gungate
53   13   GRIFFITHS   Leonard J.   95 Gungate
53   13   GRIFFITHS   Millicent J.   95 Gungate
53   13   GRIFFITHS   Joshua   96 Gungate
53   13   GRIFFITHS   Sarah   96 Gungate
53   13   GRIFFITHS   Edwin   96 Gungate
53   13   GRIFFITHS   Horace M.   96 Gungate
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 23 March 19 16:26 GMT (UK)
re 1881 - 1891
Looking for Parents other siblings, marriages and census info ?
is Martha Collings connected
Geoff
Thank`s
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 23 March 19 16:52 GMT (UK)
John Rich 1851
Name   John Rich Wolverhampton
Residence Note   Monmore Green
Occupation   Pudlers Son
Birth Year (Estimated)   1851
Thomas Rich   Head   M   34   Dudley, Worcestershire
Sarah Rich   Wife   F   30   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
John Rich   Son   M   0   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah Mafit   Servant   F   10   Wolverhampton, Staffordsh
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Friday 29 March 19 11:31 GMT (UK)
Whos daughter was Sarah Ann, Who was william married to
1881
Moseley V High Street, Wednesfield, Wolverhampton,
Staffordshire, England
Mary Jones   Head   Widow   Female 55   1826   No Occupation   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
William   Davis   Son In Law Married   Male   30   1851   Cooper   Oakengates, Shropshire, England
Rachel   Jones   Daughter   Single   Female   21   1860   ? Painter (Whitesmith)   Staffordshire, England
Catherine Jones   Daughter   Single   Female   18   1863   None   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Rosehannah Jones Daughter   Single   Female   17   1864   Tacker   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Enoch Jones   Son   Single   Male   12   1869   None   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Ann Griffiths Daughter   Single   Female   4   1877   Baby
Thanks

Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 29 March 19 12:48 GMT (UK)
1881 - very strange that Sarah Ann Griffiths only appears on the transcription of the household, BUT not on the image.   :-\

Using GRO there are 3 instances of Sarah Ann Griffiths - 1876/1877 in Wolverhampton District - mother's maiden names are Jones, Rich and Roberts.

Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Friday 29 March 19 12:53 GMT (UK)
Interesting re Prev Post ref RICH family
Geoff
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Sunday 31 March 19 16:01 BST (UK)

Was William Davis married to Elizabeth. ref 1881
Name:   Mary Jones
Event Type:   Census
Event Date:   1871
Event Place:   Wolverhampton, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Enumeration District:   38
Gender:   Female
Age:   44
Marital Status:   Married
Relationship to Head of Household:   Wife
Birth Year (Estimated):   1827
Birthplace:   Whampton, Staffordshire
Entry Number:   8
Affiliate Image Identifier:   GBC/1871/2940/0289
Household   Role   Sex   Age   Birthplace
James Jones   Head   Male   52   Busby Green, Shropshire
Mary Jones   Wife   Female   44   Whampton, Staffordshire
Elizabeth Jones   Daughter   Female   21   Whampton, Staffordshire
George Jones   Son   Male   19   Whampton, Staffordshire
Ann Jones   Daughter   Female   17   Whampton, Staffordshire
Teadora Jones   Son   Male   13   Whampton, Staffordshire
Rachel Jones   Daughter   Female   11   Whampton, Staffordshire
Cathrine Jones   Daughter   Female   9   Whampton, Staffordshire
Rose Hannah Jones   Daughter   Female   7   Whampton, Staffordshire
James Jones   Son   Male   5   Whampton, Staffordshire
Genoah Jones   Son   Male   3   Whampton, Staffordshire
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Tuesday 02 April 19 15:32 BST (UK)
Help needed please looking at Census`s, birth,marriage, death
John Rich 1851
Name   John Rich Wolverhampton
Residence Note   Monmore Green
Occupation   Pudlers Son
Birth Year (Est)   1851
Thomas Rich       Head   M   34   Dudley, Worcestershire
 Sarah Rich (higgins) Wife   F   30   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
John Rich ****       Son   M   0   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah Mafit   Servant   F   10   Wolverhampton, Staffordsh

1881. Gas Yard Union Mill St, Wolverhampton.
Sarah Higgins 65. widow.
John Rich 31. Son.
 Martha Griffiths 29. dau. married.****
 John Griffiths 6. son.
 Elizabeth Griffiths 2. dau.
 Martha Collings 61. boarder. related possibly

Age is slightly out compaired to 1911 census
GRIFFITHS, JOHN mother RICH. **** (martha Rich) Pos the John William start of post
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 562.
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Wednesday 03 April 19 18:54 BST (UK)
Amended
HIGGINS John full w 16 Feb 1860 Labourer Willenhall Road William Higgins Deceased
RICH Sarah B St.Matt   
marriage full age 16 feb W 1860 Willenhall Road Father John Thomas

1851   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Residence Note   Monmore Green
Thomas Rich   Head   M   34   Dudley, Worcestershire
Sarah Rich(higgins) Wife   F   30   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
John Rich ****   Son   M   0   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah Mafit   Servant   F   10   Wolverhampton, Staffordsh
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Saturday 06 April 19 10:17 BST (UK)
More
Census Date   1871
Cathrine Jones
Wolverhampton, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England District   38
Female Age 9
Relationship Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated)   1862
James Jones   Head   M   52   Busby Green, Shropshire
Mary Jones   Wife   F   44   Whampton, Staffordshire
Elizabeth Jones   Daughter   F   21   Whampton, Staffordshire
George Jones   Son   M   19   Whampton, Staffordshire
Ann Jones   Daughter   F   17   Whampton, Staffordshire
Teadora Jones   Son   M   13   Whampton, Staffordshire
Rachel Jones   Daughter   F   11   Whampton, Staffordshire
Cathrine Jones   Daughter   F   9   Whampton, Staffordshire
Rose Hannah Jones   Daughter   F   7   Whampton, Staffordshire
James Jones   Son   M   5   Whampton, Staffordshire
Genoah Jones   Son   M   3   Whampton, Staffordshire

Census Date   1881
Catherine Jones
Event Place   Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England
Wolverhampton Residence Note Moseley Village High St
Female Age   18 Marital Status Single Occupation None
Relationship Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated)   1863
Mary Jones   Head   F   55   Wolverhampton, England
William Davis   Son In Law   M   30   Oakengates, Shropshire, England
Rachel Jones   Daughter   F   21   Wyrley Bank, Staffordshire, England
Catherine Jones   Daughter   F   18   Wolverhampton, England
Rosehannah Jones   Daughter   F   17   Wolverhampton, England
Enoch Jones   Son   M   12   Wolverhampton, England
Sarah Ann Griffiths   Daughter   F   4 Moseley Village Heath Town, England

Catharine Jones
England, Staffordshire, Church Records
Name   Thomas Udall
Event Type   Marriage
Event Date   17 Jan 1882
Event Place   Wolverhampton, West Midlands, England, United Kingdom
Parish   All Saints
Residence Place   More Street
Age   21
Birth Year (Estimated)   1861
Father's Name   Francis Udall
Spouse's Name   Catharine Jones
Spouse's Residence Place More Street
Spouse's Age   19
Spouse's Father's Name   James Jones

Date   1891 Census
Name   Rachael Jones Parish Wednesfield
Ecclesiastical Parish   HOLY TRINITY
Registration District   Wolverhampton
Residence Note   Dark Street
Female Age 30 Single
Occupation   Dress Maker
Relationship    Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated)   1861
Birthplace   England
Mary Jones   Head   F   68   Staffordshire, England
Rachael Jones   Daughter   F   30   England

Census, 1901
Rachel Jones
Event Date   31 Mar 1901
Event Place   Heath Town, Staffordshire, England
Sub-District   Willenhall
Registration District   Wolverhampton
Residence Note   Wolverhampton Road (Marseley Village)
Female Age   42 DOMESTIC SERVANT Boarder
Birth Year (Estimated)   1859 Wolverhampton
Robert Westhead   Head   M   38   Wigan, Lancashire
Susan Westhead   Wife   F   36   Bradley, Staffordshire
Amelia Westhead   Daughter   F   8   W Hampton, Staffordshire
Mary E Westhead   Daughter   F   5   W Hampton, Staffordshire
Alice L Westhead   Daughter   F   3   W Hampton, Staffordshire
James Westhead   Son   M   0   W Hampton, Staffordshire
Rachel Jones   Boarder   F   42   W Hampton, Staffordshir
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Wednesday 10 April 19 14:35 BST (UK)
I have a live cousin b1943 who lived in West Midlands Grandaughter to John Williams who I was in contact with a few years ago, and I think can verify his parents etc, anyone have suggestions I can pm details.
Alternativly children.
I am researching from Spain.
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Friday 12 April 19 19:03 BST (UK)
Found Cousin via PMs
Thanks
Title: Re: 1901 and marriage ?
Post by: geoff3d on Friday 21 February 20 15:53 GMT (UK)
Update John William Griffiths-Birth Certificate
Birth John Griffiths 30 March 1875 @ 235 Willenhall Road, Willenhall East
father a puddler Henry Griffiths Mother Martha Griffiths/Rich
 [0.9 miles from Walsall Street] Deans road and Moseley Village.
Marr Susan Thompson
posted for previous assistance given