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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dunbartonshire => Topic started by: Cockneyrebel on Tuesday 01 January 19 10:34 GMT (UK)
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The above married Peter Berrie Henderson 1 Sep 1874 Helensburgh, ( her parents recorded as Robert Lamond deceased Writer and Catherine Mathie deceased) and appears to have passed away Q2 1875 in Edmonton, Middlesex, as did Peter on 13 Jul 1875.
At 1861 Lilias was living at Stewarts Green, Row, Dunbartonshire birth recorded as at Glasgow with another ? sister Jemima b 1850 and her aunt Catherine Lamond aged 51 b Glasgow. They also appear on the 1871 census at 18, West King Street, Row, Helensburgh. Still gives her birth as Glasgow but as she married in Helensburgh, was she born there?
However I'm unable to find a birth for her on SP which gives no records for her at all?
Cr
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Row is of curse Rhu!
Skoosh. :D
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Marriage 29 Dec 1829, Stirling
Robert Lamond and Catharine Mathie
Gadget
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A will on SP for a Robert Lamond, 26 July 1859. Writer in Glasgow spouse of the late Catherine Mathie and the late Eliza Fraser or Lyle.
It would be worth obtaining this.
Gadget
Added - the inventory, later in the listing, has him dying in Helensburgh
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1851
18 India Street, Barony, Blythswood
Robert Lamond, 45, Procurator and Solicitor, b. Glasgow
Catherine, 39, b. Stirling
Camilla, 7
Catherine, 5
Jemima, 1
I assume Lilias was born later.
Note that not all baptisms are recorded in the OPRs for various reasons.
Gadget
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In 1841, the family are living at Rhu*, Dunbartonshire
* transcribed as Row!
Gadget
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1841 Robert Lamond 36 is a writer
Catherine 33
James 8
William 5
Thomas 3
Henry 1
1851 census
Robert 45 is a prosecutor and solicitor before the court of Lanarkshire in practice
Catherine 39
Camilla Ann 7 marries Alexander Macnie/Macine
Catherine 5
Jemima 1
1881 Jemima is living with her married sister Camilla Macnie/Macine depending on transcription.
The probate mentions that when son Henry reaches 24 he will take over administration, till then it is James Mathie and John Dick Mathie, both writers of Stirling.
So where are the sons in 1851? and was Robert a writer or a solicitor or both.
ADDED his will was probated in London it gives a death date of 14 April 1859
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Amondg I think you might have missed the previous replies. - see replies #3, 4,5 and 6. Already supplied :)
It is usual to read the thread and acknowledge previous replies.
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Definition of a writer given here:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=197646.msg986114#msg986114
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Hi John,
Happy New Year to you. ;D
Not what you are asking for but there are a number of articles on Robert Lamond on British Newspaper Archives. (The search function is free - you can read bits and bobs - sometime they have the £1 offer which is worh keeping an eye out for)
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1859-01-01/1859-12-31?basicsearch=robert%20lamond&somesearch=robert%20lamond&retrievecountrycounts=false
Regards
Sandra ;D
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The various Trust Depositions, Settlements, codicils, etc. included in the documents in Glasgow Sheriff Court (Wills), 1859, stretches to 6 pages and includes many relationships. Lilias is not mentioed as such but his daughters are mentioned on a few occasions. Camilla has further bequests.
Gadget
added - send me a PM with your e-mail and I'll send you the documents :)
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Looks like others are having problems with the birth of Lillias - six anc trees and none showing any relevant info.
Sandra ;D
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I've looked at all denominations for bpt for her. I think I had a look for bpts of other sibs but no luck. Also, I don't see a burial for Catherine, the mother. She must have died before 1858 as one of the testament docs was sign in 1858.
Wondering if private or English bpts, maybe :-\
Gadget
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Stirling Observer - 19 June 1851 - has a small snippet which indicates Catherine had passed away .....bit jumbled but if you play around you might find more...........
"Mrs CatUeria At 18, India Street, Glasgow, on the 13th instant, Mathie, wife of Robert Lamond, writer, Glasgow "
18 India Street was the address on the 1851 census
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n7g/
Maybe passed on after she gave birth to Lillias ???
Sandra
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Looks like she might have died in childbirth :-\
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Looks like she might have died in childbirth :-\
As suggested above......................lol
Sandra ;)
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You must have added that bit after I looked, Sandra ;)
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lol. Or maybe you didn't read that bit ...............lol.......... ;)
Sandra
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:)
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What happened between 14-16 and 14-18 when you posted ???
Sandra
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Sorry just a small snippet...........
Stirling Observer - Thursday 12 July 1849 - page 4
At 18, India Street, Glasgow, on the 6th inst., Mrs R. Lamond of a daughter.................(Jemima ???)
Sandra
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The Late Robert Lamond - clipped in 2 halves...........
Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Glasgow, Scotland) - 16 Apr 1859, Sat - Page 3
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26731509/the_late_robert_lamond/
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26731540/the_late_robert_lamond/
Just having another read thru - Thrice married - maybe married again after 1851 - must be a later child maybe. ???
Sandra
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Wonder if this is one of the marriages -
Robert Lamond - Isabella Boyd - LAMOND - 1857 - 644/6 147 - Blythswood
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTTY-L3R
7 April 1857 - Marriage Place Blythswood,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland.
Sandra
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Wonder if this is one of the marriages -
Robert Lamond - Isabella Boyd - LAMOND - 1857 - 644/6 147 - Blythswood
7 April 1857 - Marriage Place Blythswood,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland.
Sandra
Just down loaded the marriage cert - this is a correct marriage for him - United Presbyterian Church of Scotland - Robert Lamond - India Street - writer - widower - aged 51 years - father Alexander Lamond (merchant deceased) and Catherine Lamond (deceased) maiden name Allan (which was Roberts middle name)
parents of Isabella (spinster) aged 32 years - Thomas Boyd (merchant) and Isabella - maiden name Millar.
25 India Street.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FM33-VQ8
other Lamond siblings - http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n7i/
Sandra
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1851 census 25 India Street Lanarkshire
Parish Barony ED 54 Page 24 Line 11
Thomas Boyd 55 Merchant & Calics Printer
Isabella Boyd 55
Isabella Boyd 25 Margaret Boyd 22
Jane Boyd 20 Rosina Boyd 18
Robert Boyd 13
James Buchanan 12
Margaret Vance 25
Marion Mclachlan 22
Mary Wilkinson 26
Sandra
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1861 census 14 Park Circus Glasgow Barony Lanarkshire
Parish Glasgow Barony ED 62 Page 24 Line 23
Thomas Boyd 65 Calico Printer & Merchant
Isabella Boyd 65
Isabella Lamond 36 Annuitant
Jane Boyd 27
Rosina Boyd 25 Robert Boyd 23
Herbert B Lamard 3
Margaret Pearson 36
Catherine Mcfarlane 26
Jessie Mcclay 22
Agnes Peat 33
Catherine Mclaren 29
Mary Mcgibbon 25
Sandra
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Herbert Lamond - Birth Date: 7 Jul 1858 Blythswood,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Father Robert Lamond = Mother Isabella Boyd
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 - Herbert Boyd Lamond - 7 Jul 1858 Row Dunbarton Scotland.
Robert Lamond - Mother Isabella Boyd
Herbert Lamond - 1858 - 644/6 508 - Blythswood
Sandra
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1881 census - Wellington Rd 2 The Towers Stockport
RG11 Piece 3474 Folio 76 Page 6
Isabella Lamond 50 Born Lanarkshire. Widow. Annuitant.
Herbert Boyd Lamond 22 Born Dunbartonshire, Scotland. Calico Printer.
Michael Williams 23
Helen Wilson 48
Dinah Elizh. Maidment 28
Frances Henrietta Peak and Herbert Boyd Lamond married at Chorlton - 8c 903 - Q3
Sandra
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1891 census - Withington, Didsbury, Lancashire, England.
RG12 Piece 3161 Folio 29 Page 51
Herbert Boyd Lamond 32 Manager calico Print Works.
Frances H Lamond 20
Isabella Lamond 63 mpothber - widow.
Sarah A Middleton 23
Bertha A Sneesby 19
Sandra
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Scotland Probate
Death Date 18 Sep 1924 Wyke End - Confirmation Date 24 Nov 1925 Blandford
Sandra
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Isabella Lamond - 1825 - 1907 - Q2 - Toxteth Park - aged 81 years - 8b 126
Sandra
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Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Glasgow, Scotland) - 8 Apr 1857, Wed - Page 5
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26733560/marriage_25_india_street/
Sandra
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Happy & Healthy New Year to you all. You've been very diligent in your research as usual but still nothing on Lilias's birth? She was the wife of my 3rd cousin, 3 x removed and I think she may have died in child birth or was there some disease going around in 1875 which took both her and Peter off?
I seem unable to pm you Gadget? Found the pm now!
Cr
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Your very welcome - ;D
Sandra
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Happy & Healthy New Year to you all. You've been very diligent in your research as usual but still nothing on Lilias's birth? She was the wife of my 3rd cousin, 3 x removed and I think she may have died in child birth or was there some disease going around in 1875 which took both her and Peter off?
I seem unable to pm you Gadget? Found the pm now!
Cr
A Happy and Healthy New year to you too, CR :)
Info sent.
Gadget
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Lilias Dalglish Henderson - 19 June 1875 - Camden -
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?DetsView=Summary&src=ext&fileid=14304205
Might mean getting the death certificates for the causes of death of Lillias and Peter.
Sandra
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I've just read the will in a bit more detail and find that Robert married Elizabeth Lyle after Catherine died.
I find that the marriage took place on 3rd June 1856, Heriot at Warriston, Edinburgh.Will send the cert.
Gadget
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Lots of similar newspaper articles re Robert Lamond - this one Glasgow Herald
(Glasgow, Glasgow, Scotland) 31 Jan 1845, Fri - Page 2
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26736234/robert_lamond_writer_31_jan_1845/
Sandra
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Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Glasgow, Scotland) - 23 Apr 1859, Sat - Page 4
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26736362/claims_against_the_late_robert_lamond/
Sandra
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Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Glasgow, Scotland) - 23 Apr 1859, Sat - Page 4
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26736362/claims_against_the_late_robert_lamond/
Sandra
Yes there are many but mainly to do with property sales/ legal matters. Nothing about Lilias or family.
Gadget
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Robert's age is given as 57 and his parents are given as Alex Lamond, merchant and Elizabeth Allen.
Still nothing definite about Lilias.
Gadget
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Dear goodness............ ::)
Gadget - What is your problem today ??? You've had a go at Amondg earlier and twice at myself - ???
You don't need to dictate to us and police the site on what we should or should not post. We are all trying to help in whatever form it might take.
I do know what the original question was. I also know John likes to have sources and a time line in everything he records on all his lines. So I am prepared to look at loads of newspaper reports and spend hours trying to see if I can find any further mentions of births (other than Jemima which I already discovered) and it is up to me what else I choose to post.
I wish you a very Happy, Healthy New Year.
Sandra
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I thought it was you Sandra :)
Happy New Year.
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Marriage 29 Dec 1829, Stirling
Robert Lamond and Catharine Mathie
Gadget
Source for the marriage - Reported - Perthshire Courier - Thursday 7 January 1830
At Stirling, the 29th ultimo, Robert Lamond, Esq. writer, Glasgow, to Catharine, youngest daughter the late James Mathie, dyer, Stirling.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY7J-YYN
Sandra
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Sister Camilla Ann nee lamond Macnie - Glasgow Evening Post - Wednesday 21 April 1886
Macniw - 20 April 1866 - at 105 Hill Street, Garnethill, Glasgow Camilla Ann Lamond widow of the last Alexander Macnie , writer, Glasgow. Friends please accept of this intimation.
Scotlands People -
Camilla Ann Macnie - - aged 42 - 1886 - 644/9 445 - Kelvin
Alexander Macnie - - aged 46 - 1873 - 362/ 64 - Kilmadock
pedigree resource file -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:ST9X-6SR
Sandra
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Found a snippet under Births - which leads me to believe Lillias was born 27 May 1851........
Glasgow Sentinel - Saturday 31 st May 1851 (the death of Catherine her mother followed on 13 June 1851 - as per reply 13)
*tndia Street, on the 27th instant,’Mrs. Lamond
Sandra
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1851-01-01/1851-12-31?basicsearch=lamond&somesearch=lamond&retrievecountrycounts=false&page=1
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Looks interesting Sandra - does it say anything else?
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Found a snippet under Births - which leads me to believe Lillias was born 27 May 1851........
Glasgow Sentinel - Saturday 31 st May 1851 (the death of Catherine her mother followed on 13 June 1851 - as per reply 13)
*tndia Street, on the 27th instant,’Mrs. Lamond
Sandra
the next line says a daughter :)
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It's also announced in the Greenock Advertiser 30 May 1851
Same wording.
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Found a snippet under Births - which leads me to believe Lillias was born 27 May 1851........
Glasgow Sentinel - Saturday 31 st May 1851 (the death of Catherine her mother followed on 13 June 1851 - as per reply 13)
*tndia Street, on the 27th instant,’Mrs. Lamond
Sandra
the next line says a daughter :)
This is the whole thing - and this one doesn't say daughter !!!!!!
BIRTHS
... Tliom« mstant, Mr. J.nw. WilM; * Portland Street, on the 271h iustant, Mrs. H. C, ’lB.*tndia Street, on the 27th instant,’Mrs. Lamond ; 407. St Vincent Street, on the 26th instant, the wife of the Rev. Ur. M Gilrray; a son. . Lily Bank, Johnstone, the 24th ...
Published: Saturday 31 May 1851
Newspaper: Glasgow Sentinel
County: Lanarkshire, Scotland
Type: Article | Words: 128 | Page: 3 | Tags: none
Sandra
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The above married Peter Berrie Henderson 1 Sep 1874 Helensburgh, ( her parents recorded as Robert Lamond deceased Writer and Catherine Mathie deceased) and appears to have passed away Q2 1875 in Edmonton, Middlesex, as did Peter on 13 Jul 1875.
At 1861 Lilias was living at Stewarts Green, Row, Dunbartonshire birth recorded as at Glasgow with another ? sister Jemima b 1850 and her aunt Catherine Lamond aged 51 b Glasgow. They also appear on the 1871 census at 18, West King Street, Row, Helensburgh. Still gives her birth as Glasgow but as she married in Helensburgh, was she born there?
However I'm unable to find a birth for her on SP which gives no records for her at all?
Cr
At last John - many hours later we have finally got the birth date of Lillias 27th May 1851 which was the original request. Perseverance paid off. Hope that some of the other info fills a time line for you. ;D
Sandra
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It's on the line below. I could send you the snip if you'd like. Can't put it up here as image may be Copyright
Where are you finding it?
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No thanks you can have the last word. I'm all done on this one
Sandra
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Thank you very much Sandra and Gadget especially as at long last an actual dob for Lilias. Hope you've put down your boxing gloves now?
Cr
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In case you are wondering about the owner of the original "Dalglish" surname.
My father told me a story about a benefactor. This man and his wife had not been blessed with children, thus he had no heir to leave his fortune to. He put it about that any couple who would give his name to one of their sons would be his heir and there would be a remuneration for a girl named in favour of his wife.
My father recounted that when the benefactor died of old age his brother promptly married a young servant girl and they produced children to inherit their deceased uncle's fortune.
The benefactor who died was Andrew Stephenson Dalglish, his wife was Lilias Dalglish (ms Crum), with a lovely house in Helensburgh, and the brother was Robert Dalglish, MP. It seems to me that your Lamond family knew the Dalglish family.
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Very interesting Rena-I shall add your words to my tree about her. I've a few Dalgliesh's in my tree but mainly from Borthwick but Lilias is not a direct ancestor, her husband Peter Berrie Henderson was my 3rd cousin, 3R.
Cr