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Title: John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Ramsay
Post by: davieboy on Wednesday 02 January 19 01:33 GMT (UK)
Hi

Im looking for any information / relatives regarding John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Cutler (ms)Ramsay

John died 1979 in Basford & Margaret died 1993 in Nottingham also.

Title: Re: John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Ramsay
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 02 January 19 01:50 GMT (UK)
Is this a request for details of living relatives?  Rootschat has a “no living persons” policy so such details are not allowed

John was b 1917 so you can look up his birth on freebmd to get his mothers maiden name then search for other births with the same mmn

Margaret was born 1923 so same process

You will already know when they married so can look up any children born to them.  I can’t see any obvious marriage or any children

Title: Re: John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Ramsay
Post by: Jamjar on Wednesday 02 January 19 02:02 GMT (UK)
His death:

Mar 1979 BASFORD 8 34
CUTLER John Charles 16AP1917

I can’t see a Cutler/Ramsay marriage.

Jamjar
Title: Re: John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Ramsay
Post by: Jamjar on Wednesday 02 January 19 02:13 GMT (UK)
Married in Scotland:

CUTLER John Charles RAMSAY Margaret Isdale 1945 644/18 1179 Pollok

Added: Only one birth fits, if she was born in 1923:

RAMSEY Margaret 1923 644/1 766 Bridgeton

John’s birth: CUTLER, John Charles mmn KEIGHTLEY
GRO Reference: 1917  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 1023

John’s parents’ marriage:

Dec 1903 Nottingham 7b 728
CUTLER John
KEIGHTLEY Florence

Siblings:

KEIGHTLEY, DORIS no mmn
GRO Reference: 1903  D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM  Volume 07B  Page 367

CUTLER, HAROLD mmn KEIGHTLEY
GRO Reference: 1905  J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM  Volume 07B  Page 359 death June quarter 1905

CUTLER, BERTHA  MARGARET mmn KEIGHTLEY death June quarter 1909
GRO Reference: 1908  M Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 645

The 1911 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWKV-671

Davieboy, what do you already know about them?

Jamjar
Title: Re: John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Ramsay
Post by: suzard on Wednesday 02 January 19 02:54 GMT (UK)
Bertha Margaret b 1908 died 1909
Harold b. 1905 died 1905
both in Sheffield

It seems John Charles Carter's parents were John Cutler  and Florence Keightley marriage dec qtr 1903 Nottingham

Suz
Title: Re: John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Ramsay
Post by: Jamjar on Wednesday 02 January 19 02:57 GMT (UK)
Bertha Margaret b 1908 died 1909
Harold b. 1905 died 1905
both in Sheffield

It seems John Charles Carter's parents were John Cutler  and Florence Keightley marriage dec qtr 1903 Nottingham

Suz

As per reply #3  ;)

Jamjar
Title: Re: John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Ramsay
Post by: suzard on Wednesday 02 January 19 03:06 GMT (UK)
apologies for duplicating -I hadn't noticed you had the death reg's too
I cant find more on Doris - but assume she used the name Cutler as she was born shortly before  her parents marriage

John Charles Cutler died24 Feb 1979 and was cremated 1 mar 1979 in Nottingham
It seems he was in the Royal Navy at some time

Suz
Title: Re: John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Ramsay
Post by: Jamjar on Wednesday 02 January 19 05:44 GMT (UK)
Birth and death of Florence maybe:

KEIGHTLEY, FLORENCE mmn HEALD
GRO Reference: 1882  J Quarter in OF NOTTINGHAM  Volume 07B  Page 317

Dec 1978 NOTTINGHAM 8 1264
CUTLER Florence 16MR1882

Parents:

Dec 1881 Nottingham 7b 650
HEALD Blanche Annie
KEIGHTLEY Edwin Thomas   

1891 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4Z9C-L6Z
1901 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSNV-756

Edwin:
1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFTF-D7G
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27K-VC3G

His birth:

KEIGHTLEY, THOMAS  EDWIN mmn PLOWRIGHT
GRO Reference: 1860  S Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH  Volume 07A  Page 119

KEIGHTLEY, HUBERT mmn PLOWRIGHT
GRO Reference: 1862  J Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH  Volume 07A  Page 126

KEIGHTLEY, JOSEPH  PHILEMON mmn PLOWRIGHT
GRO Reference: 1864  J Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH  Volume 07A  Page 119

KEIGHTLEY, WILLIAM mmn PLOWRIGHT
GRO Reference: 1865  D Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH  Volume 07A  Page 107

Edwin’s christening: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK9Z-G43

Marriage of folks:

Jun 1860 Loughborough 7a 242
KEIGHTLEY William
PLOUGHWRIGHT Ann

Death of Edwin’s father:

Dec 1865
Keightley William Loughbro 7a 74
Keightley William Loughbro 7a 70

Edwin’s mother:

PLOWRIGHT, ANN mmn STAMFORTH
GRO Reference: 1840  M Quarter in OF LOUGHBOROUGH UNION  Volume 15  Page 152

Her death maybe:

Mar 1929 Nottingham 7b 720
Keightley Ann 88

Jamjar
Title: Re: John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Ramsay
Post by: Jamjar on Wednesday 02 January 19 07:01 GMT (UK)
Edwin’s mother’s family:

PLOWRIGHT, REBECCA mmn STANIFORTH
GRO Reference: 1838  M Quarter in THE LOUGHBOROUGH UNION  Volume 15  Page 145

PLOWRIGHT, LUCY mmn STANIFORTH
GRO Reference: 1842  M Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH UNION  Volume 15  Page 153

PLOWRIGHT, THOMAS mmn STANIFORTH
GRO Reference: 1845  M Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH UNION  Volume 15  Page 153

PLOWRIGHT, WILLIAM mmn STANIFORTH
GRO Reference: 1847  M Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH UNION  Volume 15  Page 154

PLOWRIGHT, JOHN mmn STANIFORTH
GRO Reference: 1849  J Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH  Volume 15  Page 166

PLOWRIGHT, ELIZA mmn STANIFORTH
GRO Reference: 1855  M Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH  Volume 07A  Page 116

1841 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQYK-7Z4
1851 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGFV-PLV
1861 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7TM-W2W

Rebecca STANIFORTH 1811 baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP4M-FD6G

Rebecca STANIFORTH and William PLOWRIGHT marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP4W-5Q7D

Jamjar

Title: Re: John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Ramsay
Post by: Jamjar on Wednesday 02 January 19 07:52 GMT (UK)
I can’t find anything on HEALD Blanche Annie prior to her marriage.  :-\

Jamjar
Title: Re: John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Ramsay
Post by: larkspur on Wednesday 02 January 19 14:26 GMT (UK)
Baptism Nottingham, St Barnabas RC
9 Oct 1881 Blanche Ann dau of Robert Heald and Elizabeth Watts. Seems an adult baptism, she was born 23rd July 1862.

Marriage same church
26 Nov 1881 Edwin (Thomas) Keightley and Blanche (Annie) Heald.
She was baptised shortly before her marriage ( becoming a Catholic maybe??)
Title: Re: John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Ramsay
Post by: larkspur on Wednesday 02 January 19 14:33 GMT (UK)
Baptisms Nottingham, St Patrick RC all on 5th December 1888 parents Edwin Keightley and Blanche Heald abode 3 Alma Cottages.

Birth date
23 Nov 1880 William
16 Mar 1883 Florence Mary
14 Aug 1884 Bertha Blanche
21 Oct 1886 Edwin
29 Oct 1888 Margaret.

Title: Re: John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Ramsay
Post by: davieboy on Wednesday 02 January 19 19:46 GMT (UK)
Hi,


thanks for all your replies. I'm just trying to fill in a couple of blanks on a branch of my tree. John & Margaret were indeed married in Glasgow & I guessed that John was possibly in Glasgow due to the 2nd war.

Again thanks.
Title: Re: John Charles Cutler & Margaret Isdale Ramsay
Post by: CAROLE PLATTS on Tuesday 11 June 19 19:06 BST (UK)
John and Margaret married in Glasgow in 1945 (as she was from Glasgow) and spent their married life in Nottingham.  Margaret's brother, Jim, was married to Netta.  John and Margaret had a daughter, Georgia, who died in 1959; they had no other children.

Doris Cutler was born in 1904 (according to marriage certificate) and married Robert Platts who played football for Notts County 1920-24.

John served with the Royal Navy as did John's brother Gerald who died 1944 HMS Britomart.

Blanche Heald was born in Sheffield 1863 as Annie Temple Heald but adopted the name Blanche.

Carrie