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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: ribbo39 on Thursday 03 January 19 12:31 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
In my tree I have a Henry Frude/Froud bapt. 1865 Compton, Berks (s/o Joseph & Mary Ann) who I thought had married a Ruth Brunsdon in 1887.
But the marriage cert. of Henry Frude/Ruth Brunsdon clearly shows his father as George Frude.
Unless an incorrect name has been used.
I cannot find a George Frude other than a bapt.. in 1888
Can anyone please help in finding another marriage for Henry.
Many thanks in advance
Alan
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1871 census of the 1864/1865 Harry Froud:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD8C-Y8M Grazeley is close to Compton.
With a marriage between George Froud & Sarah Ann Attwater in Q4 1862 in Wokingham Berkshire.
Pheno
Added:What evidence do you have for Joseph/Mary Ann as parents of your Henry Frude/Froud?
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Here is link to 1881 census of a different Henry Froud with parents Joseph & Mary.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27H-WN58
My guess is that it is not this one who married Ruth but the other one but it depends which one fits into your tree.
Pheno
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There are definitely two Henry/Harry Frude/Froud/Frood's around as there is this 1871 census for another one with parents Joseph & Mary as opposed to my first link of a Harry with parents George/Sarah Ann.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFXL-WK8
I think you have picked up the wrong Harry/Henry to this Ruth.
Pheno
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The sons of George and Sarah, no daughters:
FROUD, HARRY EDWARD mmn ATTWATER
GRO Reference: 1863 D Quarter in WOKINGHAM Volume 02C Page 377
FROUD, JOHN WILLIAM mmn ATTWATER
GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in WOKINGHAM Volume 02C Page 394
FROUD, JOSEPH mmn ATTWATER
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in WOKINGHAM Volume 02C Page 362
FROUD, WALTER mmn ATTWATER
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in WOKINGHAM Volume 02C Page 365
FROUD, FREDERICK CHARLES mmn ATTWATER
GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in WOKINGHAM Volume 02C Page 369
Jamjar
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Given that their 1st child has been named George. I think it supports the notion that Henry’s father may have been George, but then why no Sarah?:
1891 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:71CF-D3Z
1901 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS3P-8FY
1911 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7LD-3BF
FRUDE, GEORGE mmn BRUNSDON
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in WANTAGE Volume 02C Page 295
FRUDE, NELLIE mmn BRUNSDON
GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in WANTAGE Volume 02C Page 306
FRUDE, MARY ANN mmn BRUNSDON
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in WANTAGE Volume 02C Page 291
FRUDE, RUTH mmn BRUNSDON
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in BRADFIELD Volume 02C Page 313
FRUDE, KATE mmn BRUMDON
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in BRADFIELD Volume 02C Page 337
FRUDE, ELSIE mmn BRUNSDON
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in BRADFIELD Volume 02C Page 325
FRUDE, JESSIE EVA mmn BRUNSDON
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in BRADFIELD Volume 02C Page 327
FRUDE, HENRY mmn BRUNSDON
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in BRADFIELD Volume 02C Page 325
FRUDE, DANIEL mmn BRUNSDON
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in BRADFIELD Volume 02C Page 321
Grandson:
FRUDE, ALBERT WILLIAM WELLS -
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in BRADFIELD Volume 02C Page 312
It is a bit of a dilemma, isn’t it?
I can see why you thought his folks were Joseph and Mary.
Then they have a son George, no Joseph and daughter Mary, no Sarah. So, no help there.
Jamjar
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The other Harry Froud, son of George & Sarah Ann Attwater registered as Harry Edward Stroud married in Mar 1892 qtr in Wandsworth, London to Lucy Aldersey who were subsequently having children in Wandsworth.
I think there is possibly an error in your tree in that if you need the Henry Frude who married Ruth Brunsden then you need to show his parents as Joseph & Mary or .....
if you need the Harry Froud with parents George & Sarah Ann then he married Lucy Aldersey.
Pheno
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Hi Pheno & jamjar,
Many thanks for all your help;
Pheno;
What evidence do you have for Joseph/Mary Ann as parents of your Henry Frude/Froud?
Listed in the records for Compton St.Mary, Berks as; 4-6-1865 Henry s/o Joseph & Mary Frude, Lab.
My dilema is that the marriage cert of Henry Froude, 22, bac, Labr, of Compton s/o George to Ruth Brunsdon 22-10-1887 Aldworth.
The other Harry Froud you listed, was bapt.. 8-11-1863 Grazeley, Berks as Harry Edward Froud s/o George, Carpenter, & Sarah Ann and from the many images I've just downloaded he became a Butler, married Lucy Aldersey
in 1892 and eventually emigrated to Canada in 1921
Jamjar;
Thanks for listing those children, I think I did have most of them before removing them from my tree.
Its a big problem!!
Alan
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Hi all,
Well - I'm a little confused to say the least.
I know I'm repeating some of the info I have but following the leads already given, I have;
Harry Edward Froud born Grazeley, Berks 8-11-1863 (s/o George & Sarah Ann (nee Attwater), carpenter),
he goes on to marry Lucy Aldersey 4-2-1892 Wandsworth, London and lists his father as George Froud, Wheelwright. Harry is a Butler.
In 1901 Bognor, Sussex he is still a Butler.
In 1911 Harry is not with his family of Lucy & 3 children but appears in 1911 in St.George Hanover Sq. London as a Domestic Butler.
This family of Harry Edward, Lucy, Dorothy Lucy & Edward eventually emigrate to Canada in 1921 Agnes born1893 follows them with her husband and son.
On the other hand; Henry Frood (1871 s/o Joseph & Mary) bapt. 4-6-1865 married a Ruth Brunsdon in Aldworth 22-10-1887 lists his father as George but the registers record Joseph & Mary Ann.
Now is it possible there may be a third Henry Froud in the area? If there is I haven't found one yet.
If anyone can add to this conundrum please do.
Alan
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Hi Alan, I think it would help if you could clarify how a Harry Stroud fits into the family tree you are researching as maybe we could then determine which one is the appropriate one for you to follow.
For instance is he a main branch ancestor or does he marry into the family? How did you first come across him? A bit more info about the background might help.
Regards, Pheno
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Hi Pheno,
I have several "Froud/Frude/Froude etc" families in my tree as my g.grandmother, on my mother's side was a Froud.
No - he is not a main branch ancestor. The Henry Frude that I have is really only a twig which I was trying to fill in some details. When I came across the marriage cert. of Henry Froud to Ruth Brunsdon it lists his father as George which has given rise to my searches.
I have a CD for Compton Sts.Mary & Nicholas, from the BerksFHS and there are quite a few "Stroud" entries but nothing fits the time scale 1860-1870 when Henry was born.
On the other hand the "Harry Edward Stroud" I think is an incorrect transcription as in the Grazeley records he is listed as a "Froud" s/o George & Sarah Ann, a carpenter (source BerksFHS CD of Baptisms)
In reality, the Henry I had as the s/o Joseph seems to fit the bill in all aspects, but what is throwing a spanner in the works is his father's name of George.
Your help most appreciated.
Alan