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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Shand-Aberdeenshire on Thursday 03 January 19 13:36 GMT (UK)
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Trying to find Janet Gray info. She was born 1808 in Canongate, Scotland. She was married in Montreal in 1830. Try I g to confirm it's her.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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What info. is on her MC & who did she marry/where was he from?
Have you found her on a passenger list/who with/when?
Can you list all info. you know of her (give links where possible), e.g. siblings names, children with names in order as this can sometimes be a clue to parentage, any middle names used for children?
When/where did she die, have you searched for a MI or obituary?
How do you know she was born Canongate?
Annie
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Can see marriages listed for 1830 - Janet Gray and Joseph Shand - Saint-Gabriel's Street Presbyterian Church (Montréal)
http://applications.banq.qc.ca/apex/f?p=113:11:0::NO::P11_CLE:4446
or another version mistranscribed at Presbyterian Saint Gabriel - Janey Gray - Joseph Thinel. (should be Shand)
There was a witness that looks like George Gray - does he mean anything to you.
Sandra
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There is not a lot available pre 1865 for immigration - :-\
Nothing shows up on Library and Archives Canada for Janey Gray :-\
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/immigrants-before-1865/Pages/search.aspx
Sandra
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might be a long shot................ :-\
1891 census Missisquoi Quebec
Wm Shand - Age 59 farmer. nother and father born Scotland.
Jessie Shand - Age 82 years. born Scotland. widowed. mother.
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1891&op=img&id=30953_148206-00227
Sandra
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possibility -
Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service, 1756-1900 for Joseph Shand -
71st Foot Soldiers, 2nd Battalion 1810-1820 ???
Sandra
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1861 census Missisquoi, Canada East showing Shand family.
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4108794_00336.jpg
Sandra
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There was a birth of William Shand in 1832 - St. Gabriel's Street Presbyterian Church, Montréal -
which would fit with age on 1891 census above.
http://applications.banq.qc.ca/apex/f?p=147:11:0::NO::P11_CLE:10689
Sandra
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Vermont, Vital Records, 1720-1908 - William Robert Shand - born 1830 Canada - passed away 24 Dec 1902 - Richmond, Vermont, - aged 72 years - farmer - parents Joseph Shand and Jessie Gray.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XF86-2MX
Sandra
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Thank you both for taking time to reply!
This is what I have..
I have a card. I assume it was for the funeral service. On it is lists his deathdate as 20 Jan 1892. It lists that she was 83 years, 7 months and 16 days old.
Puts her dob at 4 Jun 1808.
I have a marriage cert for 1830 in Montreal, Qubec Janet Gray married Joseph Shand.
I have an 1861 Canada Census in Missisquoi, Quebec with Jspe Shand listed.
I have an 1871 Canada Census in Missisquoi, Quebec with Mrs. Joseph Shand listed. Widow
I have an 1881 Canada Census in Missisquoi, Quebec with Jessie Shand listed. Widow
I have an 1891 Canada Census in Missisquoi, Quebec with Jessie Shand listed.Widow
The same person. Same family members. All say from Scotland.
I have a few other marriage and deth certs with her name Jessie or Janet Shand listed her as from Scotland.
I went on SP.gov and found a Janet Shand born 4 Jun !808 and baptized 19 Jun 1808 in/at Parish: EDINBURGH - ST JAMES PLACE RELIEF and County/city: EDINBURGH CITY. The parents are listed as Gavin Shand and Ann Hay. They had another daughter named Janet Gray b 5 Dec 1802. Can't find a death cert so don't know if she died young and they named their next daughter Janet.
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Thank you both for taking time to reply!
This is what I have..
I have a card. I assume it was for the funeral service. On it is lists his deathdate as 20 Jan 1892. It lists that she was 83 years, 7 months and 16 days old. She died in Noyan, Quebec.
Puts her dob at 4 Jun 1808.
I have a marriage cert for 1830 in Montreal, Qubec Janet Gray married Joseph Shand.
I have an 1861 Canada Census in Missisquoi, Quebec with Jspe Shand listed.
I have an 1871 Canada Census in Missisquoi, Quebec with Mrs. Joseph Shand listed. Widow
I have an 1881 Canada Census in Missisquoi, Quebec with Jessie Shand listed. Widow
I have an 1891 Canada Census in Missisquoi, Quebec with Jessie Shand listed.Widow
The same person. Same family members. All say from Scotland.
I have a few other marriage and deth certs with her name Jessie or Janet Shand listed her as from Scotland.
I went on SP.gov and found a Janet Shand born 4 Jun !808 and baptized 19 Jun 1808 in/at Parish: EDINBURGH - ST JAMES PLACE RELIEF and County/city: EDINBURGH CITY. The parents are listed as Gavin Shand and Ann Hay. They had another daughter named Janet Gray b 5 Dec 1802. Can't find a death cert so don't know if she died young and they named their next daughter Janet.
I have nothing on her for sure from 1808-1830. I'm not sure if what I have through SP.gov is enough. I have checked wikitree, google, Ancestry... for information on the family. Checked for trees. The Sp.gov is the only information I have that fits that I've found in the last two years.
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A few other children born to Joseph Shand and Jessie Gray - Isabella Bruce Shand (1836) (someone made an alteration of the name on ancestry back in October 2010) and John Baird Shand. (1837)
Margaret Watson Shand (1841) George Gavin Shand (1847)
A few anc tree's popping up now - but no sources for parents of Janet Gray.
Sandra
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Thank you both for taking time to reply!
This is what I have..
I have a card. I assume it was for the funeral service. On it is lists his deathdate as 20 Jan 1892. It lists that she was 83 years, 7 months and 16 days old. She died in Noyan, Quebec.
Puts her dob at 4 Jun 1808.
I have a marriage cert for 1830 in Montreal, Qubec Janet Gray married Joseph Shand.
I have an 1861 Canada Census in Missisquoi, Quebec with Jspe Shand listed.
I have an 1871 Canada Census in Missisquoi, Quebec with Mrs. Joseph Shand listed. Widow
I have an 1881 Canada Census in Missisquoi, Quebec with Jessie Shand listed. Widow
I have an 1891 Canada Census in Missisquoi, Quebec with Jessie Shand listed.Widow
The same person. Same family members. All say from Scotland.
I have a few other marriage and deth certs with her name Jessie or Janet Shand listed her as from Scotland.
I went on SP.gov and found a Janet Shand born 4 Jun !808 and baptized 19 Jun 1808 in/at Parish: EDINBURGH - ST JAMES PLACE RELIEF and County/city: EDINBURGH CITY. The parents are listed as Gavin Shand and Ann Hay. They had another daughter named Janet Gray b 5 Dec 1802. Can't find a death cert so don't know if she died young and they named their next daughter Janet.
I have nothing on her for sure from 1808-1830. I'm not sure if what I have through SP.gov is enough. I have checked wikitree, google, Ancestry... for information on the family. Checked for trees. The Sp.gov is the only information I have that fits that I've found in the last two years.
On SP.gov, if I have the right Janet Shand, It lists sibling as follows.
Robert Gray 30 Dec 1793
George Gray 3 Apr 1796
May Ann Gray 5 Jul 1800
Janet Gray 5 Dec 1802
John Gray 2 Mar 1805
All with the parents: GAVIN GRAY/ANN HAY FR3252 (FR3252)Canongate
Janet Gray 4 June 1808
GRAY JANET GAVIN GRAY/ANN HAY 4 JUNE 1808 19 JUNE 1808 EDINBURGH - ST JAMES PLACE RELIEF EDINBURGH CITY
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Isabel Bruce Shand. I think, comes from Joseph Shand's mother Isabel Bruce married to William Shand.
A few other children born to Joseph Shand and Jessie Gray - Isabella Bruce Shand (1836) (someone made an alteration of the name on ancestry back in October 2010) and John Baird Shand. (1837)
Margaret Watson Shand (1841) George Gavin Shand (1847)
A few anc tree's popping up now - but no sources for parents of Janet Gray.
Sandra
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Thanks for posting what you already have, saves wasting time looking thru the same records.
Interesting middle names can usual give a clue
Sandra
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Have you contacted Saint Thomas Anglican Church Cemetery where other Shand members may be buried - to see if they have further information.
Sandra
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Have you trawled thru the Montreal Gazette from 20 January 1892 to see if there was an obituary for Jessie ?
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC
Sandra
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Thanks for posing what you already have, saves wasting time looking thru the same records.
Interesting middle names can usual give a clue
Indeed Sandra, agree all known info. (within reason) ;) helps a lot & yes, middle names are a great bonus.
Doing well on this!
Annie
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Just looking for a possible
Gray - Baird Gray - Bruce - Gray - Watson :-\
Sandra