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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Paulo Leeds on Thursday 03 January 19 16:03 GMT (UK)
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How can this be?
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If it is Electoral registers, there is an option to remain private and not be on the public register.
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I guess 192 is created from the electoral register. You can opt out of the ‘open’ version of the register made available to commercial sites. Maybe he / she opted out sometime after 2005.
Edited: apologies Heywood :)
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There are now 2 versions of the electoral register in Britain. One is available to commercial bodies like 192, the other isn't. People registering to vote can choose to opt out of the former version so that their names and addresses will not be sold. Before 2005 they didn't have a choice.
I might not be on 192 after 2005 as I have ticked the opt out box on the voter registration form each year.
Edit. We have a consensus. :)
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I wonder why people opt out
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cos the 192 rules changed... and a once marvellous place to gain info.. is now NOT
sadly
whats it called privacy or something.... >:( >:( >:( >:(
xin
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...if you sign up to the site fully what can you see for people pre-2005?
How far back does it go?
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My understanding of 192 is that it is made up from the telephone numbers and not electoral registers.
If you choose to go ex directory then your number will not be available. You can do this at anytime.
Dorrie
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Until November 2001 local authorities were free to sell the Electoral Roll to commercial companies. This changed following a legal challenge by an individual who objected to his data on the Electoral Roll being used for direct marketing purposes. Legislation was enacted that resulted in two Electoral Rolls - the full version and the edited version.
The full Electoral Roll can be used only for electoral and credit reference purposes. The edited version is available to any company for any purpose but excludes those people who opt-out of having their information sold to third parties.
The legislation only applies to Electoral Rolls published after 16/11/01.
The 2002 Electoral Roll data held on 192.com, is based on the 2001 electoral register and is the last full roll available before that date and is not covered by the new legislation.
See https://www.gov.uk/electoral-register/opt-out-of-the-open-register
Stan
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I wonder why people opt out
So that they can try and remain anonymous and avoid junk mail addressed to them. There are also many people that don't want to be found following marriage break ups / domestic violence etc.
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understandable...
totally
;D ;)
:o 8)
xin
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If your name appears on 192 you can have it removed by downloading the Record Removal Form at
http://statics.192.com/rel-3.66/downloads/C01.pdf
Stan
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My understanding of 192 is that it is made up from the telephone numbers and not electoral registers.
If you choose to go ex directory then your number will not be available. You can do this at anytime.
Dorrie
I have just looked myself up on 192.com and the only information on there was from the electoral register (before I opted out in 2002).
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We have been ex-directory for years, also opted out from the edited version for many years and yet all of my family appears on 192.com
There is an online form for data removal here https://www.192.com/c01/new-request/
Edward
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I'm glad to see they have replaced the postal form, which I mentioned, with an online form.
Stan
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And the 192 information is on FindMyPast as well, all aligned with the Companies House information. So even though I've opted out of the Electoral Roll, I still show up at my address with my husband's companies!
How they can get away with so much information available since GDPR I'm not sure!
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I wonder why people opt out
So many of us were fed up of the barrage of unsolicited sales phone calls 🙄
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We have been ex-directory for years, also opted out from the edited version for many years and yet all of my family appears on 192.com
There is an online form for data removal here https://www.192.com/c01/new-request/
Edward
& yet we do not appear on FindMyPast
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We have been ex-directory for years, also opted out from the edited version for many years and yet all of my family appears on 192.com
There is an online form for data removal here https://www.192.com/c01/new-request/
Edward
& yet we do not appear on FindMyPast
I do - 2002 showing my full address and naming the other half as well.
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And the 192 information is on FindMyPast as well, all aligned with the Companies House information. So even though I've opted out of the Electoral Roll, I still show up at my address with my husband's companies!
How they can get away with so much information available since GDPR I'm not sure!
There is a clear public interest in having the details of company directors available - though I can't give chapter and verse, that will be a clear exemption from GDPR restrictions.
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I do - 2002 showing my full address and naming the other half as well.
Same here but it's quite funny as it lists our nearest neighbour as living at the same address. He lived 1/2 mile away. As we were in the middle of moving, we also appear at the other end of the UK as well
::)
We opted out later.
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I can't fathom how 192 get some of their info?
I opted out from the Electoral Register quite a few yrs ago.
I've just done a search of myself which shows 2004-08
There's a friend of my daughter who has never been a lodger or anything else in my household (a visitor a couple of times) although a lodger at a different address (my daughter's house) i.e. I don't know how this fits in for my address as my daughter had her own house prior to 2004 & the friend moved in later :-\ ::)
Annie
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I searched for myself just out of curiosity and discovered (from 2002 before opting out of public register) that I seem to be a few years younger than I always thought I was ;D
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I often wonder how they worked those ages out as there is no place on the electoral register form for your date of birth/age unless you are coming up to voting age or over 70.
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I worked in a public library most of my life and there were always electoral roll queries, but you used to need the address or be prepared to wade through the whole roll. With computerisation it all became much easier, and some of us felt it was too easy. We visited the new council call centre and were shown just how easy - I gave her my very common name and the village where I lived. In seconds she had not only my address, but my phone number. I went straight home and went ex-directory, and as soon as it was possible opted out of the public voters list.
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How far back does it go?
How can I see pre-2000 data?
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How far back does it go?
How can I see pre-2000 data?
Some electoral registers go back to the early 19th Century and before. For eg, there are online registers for Plymouth from 1780 (very restricted electoral group, I would think!)
These can be seen on Ancestry and FindMyPast and by visiting local archives
Gadget
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I was surprised & chuffed to find a 6xGGF in a poll book 1780s.
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How far back does it go?
How can I see pre-2000 data?
Some electoral registers go back to the early 19th Century and before. For eg, there are online registers for Plymouth from 1780 (very restricted electoral group, I would think!)
These can be seen on Ancestry and FindMyPast and by visiting local archives
Gadget
ahh I see, but you need Premium membership on Ancestry £££
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infact scrap that
I type in a relative Lived in "Leeds" and catalogue:
All West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1962
And I get:
Looks like your family story has a global angle.
Save 20% when you upgrade today.
27.95 dollars!!!!!
THANKS ANCESTRY
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If you are in the UK, then perhaps visit your local library to see what access they have. A lot of libraries have access to Ancestry and/or FindMyPast.
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Many Poll Books available on SoG Online from the Society of Genealogists.
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Not sure whether you live in Leeds - but if so you have a double-helping :D Central Library, in that wonderful building, or the WYAS building. I could be very, very jealous :)
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Until November 2001 local authorities were free to sell the Electoral Roll to commercial companies. This changed following a legal challenge by an individual who objected to his data on the Electoral Roll being used for direct marketing purposes. Legislation was enacted that resulted in two Electoral Rolls - the full version and the edited version.
The full Electoral Roll can be used only for electoral and credit reference purposes. The edited version is available to any company for any purpose but excludes those people who opt-out of having their information sold to third parties.
The legislation only applies to Electoral Rolls published after 16/11/01.
The 2002 Electoral Roll data held on 192.com, is based on the 2001 electoral register and is the last full roll available before that date and is not covered by the new legislation.
See https://www.gov.uk/electoral-register/opt-out-of-the-open-register
Stan
Rather than "free to sell" it was "no option but to sell" (I was a LA Data Protection Officer at the time). Even worse, it was no option but to sell dirt cheap.
As has been pointed out, searching was traditionally wading through printed copies but then some companies realised that they could buy copies of registers for peanuts, pay peanuts to people in the far east to do the data entry and sell the information for a fortune.
As well as being annoying for all of us who were spammed it was annoying for government (local and national) who had spent a lot of taxpayers money on creating the registers and were seeing the companies reap the financial benefit for doing virtually nothing.
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Not sure whether you live in Leeds - but if so you have a double-helping :D Central Library, in that wonderful building, or the WYAS building. I could be very, very jealous :)
great point, they have all the polling books stored there for free access. want me to check anything? private message if so
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Many thanks for the offer - I've got the ones I need - SO FAR - but I'll bear it in mind. :) :)
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Many thanks for the offer - I've got the ones I need - SO FAR - but I'll bear it in mind. :) :)
I take it you like to track where and when your ancestors lived? I also find that interesting, especially if that house still stands. It also gives you a better insight into their lives...
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Absolutely right - I'm a "nosy parker"
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Absolutely right - I'm a "nosy parker"
Yep! - that point you make !!!! has not gone unnoticed ;D ;D ;D
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Takes one to know one :-* :-* :-*
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Aren't all family tree makers nosy parker's? :P
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Aren't all family tree makers nosy parker's? :P
It depends whether they are the ones who do their own research or just copy other peoples online trees :) ;D
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Aren't all family tree makers nosy parker's? :P
It depends whether they are the ones who do their own research or just copy other peoples online trees :) ;D
Exactly ;)
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Aren't all family tree makers nosy parker's? :P
It depends whether they are the ones who do their own research or just copy other peoples online trees :) ;D
Where's the fun in that :P
There's one particular Ancestry guy who is very distantly related to my family and he literally just copies everything I put up. I messaged him once about an ancestor and he said 'oh I have no idea I just copy it all from other tree's' ::)
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Have you thought about adding a fictitious person to your tree and let them copy that too ;D
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I was surprised & chuffed to find a 6xGGF in a poll book 1780s.
I found only one of his 3 grandsons, stonemasons like him, on an electoral roll. This was my 4xGGF who was on electoral roll for Preston, Lancashire in 1830s. Preston was unusual in that men over 21 who had been resident in the borough for a year were entitled to register to vote. Exceptions were paupers and anyone convicted of crime. Preston's peculiar franchise had been claimed at the time of the English Civil War and re-asserted on several occasions. The 2 brothers of my ancestor lived in villages north of Preston and were probably not enfranchised.
My other 4xGGF who lived in Preston at the time was also on the register, although in a different section as a property owner; occupation was "gentleman". He'd become a voter aged 70, a few years previously, enfranchised by the Catholic Emancipation Act. Two of his sons had moved to Manchester. The elder Manchester son was on electoral roll for Salford Hundred because he had business premises there. The younger one, my 3xGGF wasn't.