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Evening,
im not sure if this is the correct place for this but im looking for guidance in were to look to knock down a couple of brick walls.
Im looking to find out what happened to my great great grandfather Robert Thomason. He was born in 1850/1 to Thomas Thomason and Mary Rimmer in North Meols, Lancashire. He pops up on the 1851 census, but cant be found until 1871.
He marries Alice Ball in 1872 and they have several children in the next few years. However apart from being mentioned on the children's baptism records, im struggling to find him. In 1881 his is in the census as a lodger in Southport and I think in 1891 he is in Keighley as a Widowed lodger.
The 1891 census entry is a an Thompson. However his wife is still alive back in southport as an Widow.
The brick wall comes in the fact that I cant find a death record for him and in 1891 he is with a child I cant identify.
Sorry if that is hard to read, im sat on a train trying to remember all the details :o.
Thanks in advance
Angie
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Update with facts once you get home.
Reference (give links) to the records youre talking about.
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
THOMASON, ROBERT RIMMER 1850 J Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 21 Page 680
1851 census https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGL9-PF6
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I can't find the family in 1881 - please give ref's to the census
Can't find Alice in Southport in 1891 either - again, census ref. please.
Annette
NB. now found them as 'Thompson'.
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What is Robert’s occupation please?
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What is Robert’s occupation please?
When he married Alice his occupation was a Tailor
or could it be Sailor ::)
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1881 census??
Burscough Lancashire
Reg District: Ormskirk
Resident note: Gobins Lane
Robert Thompson, aged 30, born Southport, married occ: Tailor
Page no: 19
Reg No: RG11
Piece/Folio 3754/102
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What is Robert’s occupation please?
When he married Alice his occupation was a Tailor
or could it be Sailor ::)
I think you are correct with his occupation Tailor
He marries Alice Ball in 1872 and they have several children in the next few years. However apart from being mentioned on the children's baptism records, im struggling to find him.
In 1881 his is in the census as a lodger in Southport and I think in 1891 he is in Keighley as a Widowed lodger.
The brick wall comes in the fact that I cant find a death record for him and
in 1891 he is with a child I cant identify.
1891c RG12; Piece: 3538; Folio: 92; Page: 17 -a lodger, Keighley, Yorkshire
Robert Thompson 40, Southport occ Tailor
William 9
THOMPSON, WILLIAM mmn BALL
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in STONE Volume 06B Page 51
- edited - originally thought 's' was for son ::) but it's for marital status don't think the above birth entry is the correct William pob Manchester on census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7GVJ-KMM
1881c RG11; Piece: 3754; Folio: 101; Page: 19 - a lodger
Robert Thompson 30 occ Tailor
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Not the right pob or exact occ. :( but thought I post........
visitor Robert Thompson age 52, marital status 'M', occ.Tailor’s cutter
his pob Vauxhall London :-\
Head of the household is Alfred Littlewood
RG13; Piece: 4055; Folio: 55; Page: 14 - Knaresborough Yorkshire
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I thought it was Tailor too but how often have we seen Tailor and Sailor mistranscribed ;D
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Are these the Bpt's of Robert's children?
Christchurch Southport
Parents Robert THOMASON occ Tailor & Alice
3/1/1873 Mary
16/8/1874 Margaret
8/4/1877 William
27/12/1885 Richard
1/4/1888 Ellen
THOMASON, WILLIAM mmn BALL
1876 S Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 08B Page 773
Not conclusive proof that father Robert has died by 1900 but on their son's m/c father noted as deceased
6 Aug 1900 Southport St Paul, Lancashire
William Thomason 24, Carter father Robert, deceased, Tailor
Frances Butler 23 father Edmond , deceased, milk dealer
Both single, both 65 Railway Street,
Witnesses were Thomas & Mary Campbell
1911 William & family https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWY3-GSC
Mary Campbell her husband Thomas & their 3 children on 1901 census RG13; Piece: 3539; Folio: 30; Page: 11, Mary remarried and surname is Hibbert by 1911.
Mary's sister Nellie (Ellen/Hellen) Thompson is with the family 1901
Is this their mother’s death entry?
Alice Thomason Age at Death: 48
1900 Oct-Nov-Dec Ormskirk Volume: 8b age: 515
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As Robert appears to have been in Keighley on 1891 census
Do you think this might be a slim possibility for his death as the birth year is way out (10 yrs) :-\
This is the entry on GRO indexes - I believe you can order a PDF online version of d/c for £6
THOMPSON, ROBERT age 40
1900 M Quarter in KEIGHLEY Volume 09A Page 157
At the moment I haven't found another RT in Keighley born c1860 will post if I spot anything
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Hi, thanks for all that you have found! I assumed it was a tailor. I often wondered with the young William if he left my gg grandmother and started another family. I’m thinking I might have to cast the net wider to find his death
Angie
Sorry as I wrote this I’ve just seen ladyhawks post
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There is another death entry in Keighley but again the birth year does not match your Robert Thomason/Thompson c1851 :-\
Sep 1908 Keighley 9a 105
Thompson Robert age 49
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Thanks I’ll have to look deeper in to the keighley angle.
I’m such a noob that it didn’t even occur to me to look at all the children’s weddings for clues. Rookie mistake.
Mary Thomason/Campbell/hibbert was my g grandmother.
Angie x
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Mary Campbell her husband Thomas & their 3 children on 1901 census RG13; Piece: 3539; Folio: 30; Page: 11, Mary remarried and surname is Hibbert by 1911.
Mary's sister Nellie (Ellen/Hellen) Thompson is with the family 1901
A possibility for the marriage of Ellen.
Marriages Mar 1905
THOMASON Ellenor (sic)
THOMPSON Charles
Ormskirk 8b 928
A birth 1905
THOMPSON, Gladys Minerva Mother THOMASON
S Quarter in ORMSKIRK
08B /903
Sue
ADDING confirmation here. ;)
The marriage document shows her father Robert THOMASON, tailor, deceased.
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In 1881, Alice THOMPSON is with her parents and her children. Married, a charwoman.
Registration district /Ormskirk
ED, institution, or vessel/21
Piece/3750
Folio/118
Page Number/45
In 1891, she is with her children (including the two born during 1880's) and is a widow.
Sub registration district/North Meols
ED, Institution or Vessel/31
Piece/3038
Folio/108
In 1901
Margaret THOMASON is with her uncle, William BALL and his wife and daughter, Florence.
She is a cleaner at the school.
This may possibly support the notion that her mother Alice had died as suggested above.
Sue