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Title: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: daretodiscover on Friday 04 January 19 01:02 GMT (UK)
Hi folks,

I wonder if someone can assist me with this man. He was killed 1 July 1944 while flying with the RAF.

From the CWGC I have nothing as no family or hometown is given. https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2321052/whitehead,-barry/

But from a document found in the file of the Canadian airman in this crew I have his next of kin as " (mother) Mrs. W. Whitehead, 47 Halifax Road, Todmorden, Lancs"

Can anybody tell me about Sgt Barry Whitehead and his family? *Spoiler Alert* A fellow crewman of Sgt Whitehead's was also from Lancs so a second post will go up for him.

Many thanks in advance.

DTD
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: solidrock on Friday 04 January 19 01:23 GMT (UK)
Second from left, rear.
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: solidrock on Friday 04 January 19 01:37 GMT (UK)
The Canadian airman, Harold Herbert King, how did he have Barry's mothers name?
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 04 January 19 01:44 GMT (UK)
Suspect his father was Randolph Whitehead.  You need to look up Randolph on the 1939 register for further info.  We are not allowed to publish 1939 details here. 
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: avm228 on Friday 04 January 19 01:54 GMT (UK)
Clitheroe Advertiser & Times, 11 July 1941 - a brief local news item refers to a car accident involving Ronnie Whitehead (18) of Halifax Rd, Todmorden & his brother Barry and father Randolph, who were both treated for cuts.
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 04 January 19 02:26 GMT (UK)
This is the only marriage I can see on FreeBMD, but the other partner’s christian name is missing:

Marriages Mar 1916 Blackburn 8e 798

WHITEHEAD Randolph   
SKILLICORN

Jamjar
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: solidrock on Friday 04 January 19 02:43 GMT (UK)
This is the only marriage I can see on FreeBMD, but the other partner’s christian name is missing:

Marriages Mar 1916 Blackburn 8e 798

WHITEHEAD Randolph   


SKILLICORN

Jamjar


It's Harriet E Skillicorn
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: solidrock on Friday 04 January 19 02:44 GMT (UK)
The Op said mother was Mrs. W. Whitehead
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 04 January 19 02:47 GMT (UK)
I can’t see any births Whitehead/Skillicorn.

Death:

Mar 1961 Todmorden 2d 735
WHITEHEAD Randolph 69

Jamjar
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: solidrock on Friday 04 January 19 02:48 GMT (UK)
Could Harriet E Whitehead have died in  1917, Blackburn and Randolph re-married?
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 04 January 19 02:49 GMT (UK)
The Op said mother was Mrs. W. Whitehead

Yes, and the W could be the husband’s initial, or hers.

Jamjar
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: daretodiscover on Friday 04 January 19 02:50 GMT (UK)
The Canadian airman, Harold Herbert King, how did he have Barry's mothers name?

In King's service file, as well as most RCAF service files, is a telegram from the squadron to the Air Ministry which lists all crew as well as next of kin. Canada declassified these in the mid 90s.

Thanks for replying.

DTD
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 04 January 19 02:52 GMT (UK)
Could Harriet E Whitehead have died in  1917, Blackburn and Randolph re-married?

No other marriage for a Randolph after 1917.

Jamjar
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: daretodiscover on Friday 04 January 19 02:53 GMT (UK)
This is the only marriage I can see on FreeBMD, but the other partner’s christian name is missing:

Marriages Mar 1916 Blackburn 8e 798

WHITEHEAD Randolph   
SKILLICORN

Jamjar

Thanks Jamjar. Reversing partners surnames on FreeBMD I came across a Harriet E Skillicorn marrying Randolph in the March 1916 Qtr in Blackburn. One daughter in 1917 and then nothing.

DTD
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: daretodiscover on Friday 04 January 19 02:55 GMT (UK)
Many thanks to all.

I'll have a look on the 1939 Register. It's also not unheard of corrupted groups of letters on these telegrams ie. Mrs W. I was just going on what I could see.

DTD
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: solidrock on Friday 04 January 19 02:57 GMT (UK)
The Op said mother was Mrs. W. Whitehead

Yes, and the W could be the husband’s initial, or hers.

Jamjar

I originally thought that, there is a William Whitehead in Todmorden 1939.
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 04 January 19 03:03 GMT (UK)
Yes, I was just thinking the 1939 may help.

Meanwhile, here is Randolph on the 1901 and 1911 census:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9GR-R4Z

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW8W-RTJ

Jamjar
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 04 January 19 03:19 GMT (UK)
There are only two William marriages that would suit:

Sep 1918 Todmorden 9a 446
WHITEHEAD William
MILES Sarah E

Dec 1919 Todmorden 9a 621
WHITEHEAD William C   
KENYON Martha A

No Barry birth to either.

I guess that just because Barry was ‘from’ there, doesn’t mean he was ‘born’ there.  :-\

Jamjar
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: solidrock on Friday 04 January 19 03:33 GMT (UK)
Long shot.. Barrie F Whitehead   mmn    Jones  1925 Birmingham
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: heywood on Friday 04 January 19 07:52 GMT (UK)
1930
Randolph and May Whitehead are in Skipton
1938
Randolph and May - shop at 127 Halifax Road but living in Milnrow
1940
Shop as 1938 - living at 47 Halifax Road

http://www.calderdalecompanion.co.uk/mmw779.html
Barry Whitehead remembered in Todmorden Garden of Remembrance
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 04 January 19 08:54 GMT (UK)
1930
Randolph and May Whitehead are in Skipton
1938
Randolph and May - shop at 127 Halifax Road but living in Milnrow
1940
Shop as 1938 - living at 47 Halifax Road

http://www.calderdalecompanion.co.uk/mmw779.html
Barry Whitehead remembered in Todmorden Garden of Remembrance

For info :-

R & M are also at that address in 1950 with an
I Whitehead (female) & R Whitehead (male) he’s with them at that address in 1957 & 1961
have not given full names as I have not checked for death entries for either person

possible birth entries

Mar 1921   Halifax    9a   582   
WHITEHEAD    R   mmn  Sheard   

Dec 1915     Halifax    9a   527
Whitehead    I    mmn  Sheard   

edit - Don't know if they are related but there are also two earlier male births mmn Sheard
C Whitehead Dec 1911 & H Whitehead Dec 1913 Halifax

Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: heywood on Friday 04 January 19 09:02 GMT (UK)
I noticed the  ‘I’ Whitehead person and have been searching with no success yet.

It looks as though ‘I’ is shown on electoral register when they reached 21 yrs in 1940s.
There are two marriages which may be that person.
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 04 January 19 09:19 GMT (UK)
Is this the same Randolf Whitehead?

UK, WWI Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923

Randolph Whitehead
Rank:   Pte
Birth Date:   1892
Residence Place:   Lowerhouse, Burnley
Military Service Region:   North West, England
Discharge Date:   8 Aug 1915
Service Number:   9974
Regiment:   East Lancs
Title:   Pension Record Cards
Description:   Pension Record Ledger
Reference Number:   3/MW/, 3/MV/No.4617
Only the index on Anc*y - you can view the original on fold3

UK, Silver War Badge Records, 1914-1920
Randolph Whitehead
Discharge Unit:   East Lancs.
Regiment:   East Lancashire Regiment
Regimental Number:   9974
Rank:   Pte.
Badge Number:   111710
Piece:   3071
List Number:   H 0401-0800
Record Group:   WO
Record Class:   329
Enlistment 3/2/09 discharge 8/8/15

Medal Awarded:   British War Medal and Victory Medal
Randolph Whitehead
Military Year:   1914-1920
Rank:   Private
Regiment or Corps:   East Lancashire Regiment
Regimental Number:   9974
Previous Units:   2nd East Lancs. 9974 Pte.

Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 04 January 19 09:44 GMT (UK)
This is the only marriage I can see on FreeBMD, but the other partner’s christian name is missing:

Marriages Mar 1916 Blackburn 8e 798

WHITEHEAD Randolph   
SKILLICORN


Reversing partners surnames on FreeBMD I came across a
Harriet E Skillicorn marrying Randolph in the March 1916 Qtr in Blackburn.
One daughter in 1917 and then nothing.


You may already be aware but just in case............

The Jun 1917 birth of daughter was in the same quarter as death of
Harriet E Whitehead (age 28) Jun 1917 Blackburn
burial date 30th June 1917 Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014

added

I think their daughter married 1936 (E Ainsworth) and NA died 1957 age 40, they can be found together on 1939 register , looking at her dob it looks as if her mother died just over a week later....


Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: avm228 on Friday 04 January 19 09:47 GMT (UK)
Ronnie Whitehead born 11 December 1922 died 18 July 1985 - abode 55 Halifax Rd, Todmorden.
Title: Re: Barry Whitehead of Todmorden, Lancs
Post by: daretodiscover on Monday 07 January 19 00:28 GMT (UK)
Many thanks to you all for your efforts.

Very much appreciated.

DTD