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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: bitzar on Saturday 05 January 19 12:06 GMT (UK)
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Hanging off a branch, I have Mary Ann WOOLFORD. When she died in Victoria in 1873 it was said that her father was Charles WOOLFORD and that she was born in Sydney in 1837. Mary Ann had a relationship with a man named HIN YEE and a number a children were born on the Victorian Goldfields.
NSW BDM’s do have a baptism for a Mary A WOOLFORD in 1837 to a Charles and Bridget.
As you know, I’m VERY Victorian...
Please help!
Bitzar.
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Birth:
1288/1837 V18371288 126 WOOLFORD Mary A parents CHARLES and BRIDGET
A Mary A married in NSW:
5391/1889 DAVIS George E to WOOLFORD Mary A KEMPSEY
Jamjar
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Her death registration doesn’t have any parents recorded:
9408 1873 HIN YEE Mary Ann Father's name Mother's name Place of birth SYDN Place of death Aged 36
This is the only Bridget death:
1592/1864 WOOLFORD Bridget AGE 76 YEARS DIED SYDNEY SYDNEY
Jamjar
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Thanks Jamjar
It must of been a record I saw on Ancestry that noted her father as ‘Charles WOOLVER’!
I have just found that Mary Ann married Adolph RADDAKAR in Victoria in 1855. Her son Charles born 1861 is registered under WOOLFORD, YEE, and REDEGAR (sounds like Raddakar).
Any word on Charles and Bridget in Sydney?!
Bitzar.
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Her son Charles born 1861 is registered under WOOLFORD, YEE, and REDEGAR (sounds like Raddakar).
Charles was only registered once but INDEXED three times because of the arrangement of the names on the certificate. It most likely names the father as An YEE and the mother as Mary Ann REDEGAR formerly WOOLFORD as that was her correct name at the time.
Debra :D
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These are not pre mid 1850s, but are showing Charles and Woolford and Sydney Town :)
City of Sydney archives has many a gem …. Including free to search Sands Directories…
1858
Charles R WOOLFORD, grocer, 139 S Head Road …. Which to me is indicating 139 (Old) South Head Road ….
Also a Richard WOOLFORD, a sculptor, 29 Clarence St
https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/city-archives
JM
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BDM VIC
1855 / 2895 RADDAKAR Adolph marr. WOOLFORD Mary Ann
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The certificate of marriage between Mary Ann WOOLFORD and Adolph RADDAKER will have the information you are seeking.
Possibly Adolph had arrived from Germany 14/3/1854.
A. REDDACKER (?)
Ship Oscar Vidal.
Born 1829
The document is in German so I cannot decipher much more about him.
A man of similar name made a marriage
RADERNACHER, Adolph to BRIDGET LINEHAN
1861/1597
There is a death at Geelong.
RADEMACKER Adolph
Father Rademacker Fredk
Mother Helena (Mensenga)
At Geelong
Age 84
Reg 6098
Year 1916
In 1863 Mary Ann was witness at an inquest in Ballarat (WILFORD spelling)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/72556405
Sue
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These are not pre mid 1850s, but are showing Charles and Woolford and Sydney Town :)
City of Sydney archives has many a gem …. Including free to search Sands Directories…
1858
Charles R WOOLFORD, grocer, 139 S Head Road …. Which to me is indicating 139 (Old) South Head Road ….
Also a Richard WOOLFORD, a sculptor, 29 Clarence St
https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/city-archives
JM
Charles R isn’t the father. I looked at him, last night. Ruling him out had something to do with a daughter that had been born overseas, I think the year Mary was born here.
I’d first thought the Bridget may have been Maria. The mother of all the other Woolford children with father Charles.
There is an article mentioning a Bridget Woolford and it mentions her sons, in Sydney. I can’t see any son births/deaths to fit.
Jamjar
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Her is the obit for a daughter of Charles R, first column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article185885904
Jamjar
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Bridget, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article689214
Jamjar
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Mr and Mrs C Woolford and 2 children arriving on the JESSIE in 1838, first column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31720326
Their UK marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6G8-XZ5
Their son who died, aged 2, I think in Sydney: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5JP-7XQ
So, where did Bridget come from? Nothing standing out on FamilySearch.
Jamjar
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Thanks all.
I think I have found some more issue to Charles and Bridget.
WOOLFRED, William 1826 NSW
WOODFORD, Thomas 1828 NSW
WALFORD, Charles 1831 NSW
WALFORD, Joseph 1833 NSW.
I have also found an online tree (yes I know) that has Bridget as Bridget DUFFY, arriving on the ‘Bengal Merchant’ at Port Jackson 14 September 1828 as Mrs DUTHIE, the Captains wife!!!
Bitzar.
EDIT: The 1828 arrival and 1826 birth don’t work!
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Worth noting.
If age at death for Bridget WOOLFORD, 76 years in 1864, is correct, she would have been a very mature age mother to have Mary Ann in 1837.
Sue
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Sue
That online tree has her passing at Hyde Park Asylum! Also has Charles passing at Tarban Creek Asylum.
Bitzar.
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Charles WOOLFORD arrived NSW as Garrison with 3rd regiment, when they were relieved he stayed, transferring to 39th. Took discharge after 14 years service ... so took it in 1832, and at Port Macquarie ... had served in VDL and NSW .... Emu Plains, Bathurst and Port M.
Will type up details tomorrow evening ...
JM 2207 hrs
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When did Charles die, according to the online tree?
Little William in trouble with the law, first page, last column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2552024
Jamjar
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Online tree has him passing at Tarban Creek Asylum in 1846.
JM - Some of The children baptised at Bathurst and Port Macquarie is that looks promising. Also a Charles WOOLFORD of the right age was in the Canadian Army in 1813.
Bitzar.
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655/1846 V1846655 31B WOOLFORD Charles AGE 52
William, first column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article60559302
Jamjar
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Joseph in trouble with the law, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13002184
Wonder if he moved to SA. Death, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209068886
Jamjar
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Several news items, from around 1828 mention Captain Alexander DUTHIE as master of Bengal Merchant.
Mrs DUTHIE is also mentioned as being on board.
However, her given name was not Bridget.
Married on the third instant at St David’s Church by RevW Bedford, Alexander Duthie Esq, commander of the ship Bengal Merchant, to Sarah Wilkins, eldest daughter of R W Giblin esq, Master of the King’s Orphan School, Van Diemen’s Land.
Sat 27 Sept 1828. Hobart Town Courier
Birth. At sea on board the Bengal merchant, Capt Alexander DUTHIE, ten days previous to the ship’s arrival in the English Channel, Mrs DUTHIE , daughter of Mr Giblin, master of King’s male orphan school of this place, of a son.
1st May 1830. Hobart Town Courier
Sue
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Sarah Wilkins DUFFIE died in 1855 in Tasmania aged 50 years and is buried New Town Congregational, Hobart.
Sue
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Sue, that’s interesting. It seems the ‘Bengal Merchant’ dropped convicts at VDL and then continued to Sydney. Perhaps there were other passengers on board from VDL to Sydney including Bridget DUFFY and I’m getting my wires crossed with the Captains wife.... I’m trying to give the online tree the benefit of the doubt.
I still don’t think the years fit though. Will be interesting to see what JM comes back with.
Bitzar.
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Capt A. DUTHIE died 1848 at Tas
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/36251466
I am certain the story about the Captain's wife in not correct.
Sue
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Sue
It seems so. I’ve just contacted the online tree owner. Hopefully we’ll soon see.
Bitzar
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:D
Home now ...
Charles WOOLFORD – military rank and file in NSW and VDL
https://www.keepmilitarymuseum.org/history/empire+and+the+new+worlds/the+thirty-ninth+regiment+of+foot+and+first+battalion+dorsethire+regiment+empire+and+new+worlds/39th+regiment+of+foot+in+australia
and
https://www.keepmilitarymuseum.org/history/empire+and+the+new+worlds/the+thirty-ninth+regiment+of+foot+and+first+battalion+dorsethire+regiment+empire+and+new+worlds/39th+regiment+of+foot+in+australia
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http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~garter1/history/surnames39th.htm surnames of those who stayed in Australia …. Includes Charles WOOLFORD …
and
http://members.pcug.org.au/~pdownes/keenan/keenan_reg_history.htm mentions a book written in 1853 re the 39th regiment of foot …
and
my offline resource gives :
Charles WOOLFORD originally in the 3rd regiment of foot, then discharged after the end of the Napoleonic wars … then re enlisted in Ireland into 39th Regiment, 10th Company . *(see Michaeel Keenan bio material above) … enlisted for 14 years at Buttevant, Cork, Ireland in March 1825. Came to NSW in 1827, sent as garrison to Emu Plains NSW March 1828 then Parramatta August 1828 then Port Macquarie September 1828, and discharged with gratuity 30 June 1832. Source Australian Joint Copying Project, Pay Lists…
Likely you can check for images of original at: https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/australian-joint-copying-project/part-4-war-office-wo and
http://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-397303950/view?partId=nla.obj-397311955#page/n0/mode/1up
I am still to do any looking up further for info from the military clues above, particularly in case he was in Tasmania… but err, I need to unpack ..... and organise some real life stuffs ....
The struck through text should read:
Charles WOOLFORD originally in the 3rd regiment of foot, then discharged after the end of the Napoleonic wars … then re enlisted in Ireland and came to NSW with the 3rd Regiment (who relieved the 48th) *(see Michaeel Keenan bio material above) … so he had re- enlisted for 14 years at Buttevant, Cork, in Ireland in March 1822. Came to NSW in 1827, and transferred into the 39th Regiment when that regiment relieved the 3rd. Then sent as garrison to Emu Plains NSW March 1828 then Parramatta August 1828 then Port Macquarie September 1828, and discharged with gratuity 30 June 1832. Source Australian Joint Copying Project, Pay Lists… [/s]
Sorry for the confusion.
JM
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:) oops,
I forgot to turn over a page :-[
He was a Private in the 3rd Regiment, enlisted 16 Sept 1813, into Company 3.
Arrived in Sydney NSW 25 December 1822, with the 3rd Reg, Company 10
to Liverpool NSW 25 September 1823
Hobart VDL March 1824
Cox's River NSW March 1826
Bathurst NSW Sept 1826 to Oct 1827
and transferred from the 3rd Reg to the 39th Reg 24 October 1827 ....
I will amend my earlier post :-[ :-[
JM
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JM, extremely interesting...
The Canadian Army record I mentioned earlier was a ‘hint’ on Ancestry which I can’t access because I don’t pay for Canadian records but 16 Sept 1813 is the same date. It suggests he was born 1794 Yattenden, Berkshire.
He sure was a military man...
No sign of a marriage to Bridget though!
I appreciate your efforts.
Bitzar.
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Hi again
Does anyone know where Charles and Bridget may be buried?!
Bitzar.
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I do not have immediate suggestions, but you could look for the possible death of Charles and purchase the record.
Others will have more information regarding the possible content of such documents pre early 1850.
Reply#7 this thread suggested you purchase Mary Ann's marriage in Victoria ( available for immediate download upon payment).
This would likely hold information to further your search.
Sue
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Hi again
Does anyone know where Charles and Bridget may be buried?!
Bitzar.
Hi there,
I am not a descendant of Charles or Bridget, but if Mary Ann were my ancestor, I would go through every bit of info on her marriage certificate first, before seeking Charles or Bridget, and so ....
I agree with Sue's post :)
If you are looking for a death for Charles, if he died in NSW pre civil registration (1 March 1856) the NSW BDM Early Church Records will have scant family history origins, but may well be helpful with which cemetery and when buried :) and of course Victoria was not hived off until 1851, so it can be good to check NSW BDM online indexes :) and if possibles are listed, then official transcriptions are a cheaper option....
ADD, so with knowledge of the cemetery, it can be an offline search for the cemetery's own registers/records
JM
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These people aren’t any relation to be either but just a twig that caught my attention... The info that you all have given is very interesting and I appreciate your NSW expertise because NSW research and I don’t mix! :o
I thought that if I could find this Charles and Bridget maybe buried together it could narrow things down. Mary Ann’s Victorian MC would absolutely be the best option but $$$.
I just just arrived in Sydney now for my first attempt at the Nsw archives.
Thanks again.
Bitzar
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:)
The staff there at Kingswood are absolute gems.
JM
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JM - how right you are about the staff at Kingswood!
So while I was there today researching my crazy (no, literally crazy) NSW relatives I had a look at the WOOLFORD’s. So the Charles who died at Tarban Creek Asylum in 1846 WAS the husband of Bridget. He was Fisherman who came free. He had 9 children and was committed by a James WOOLFORD! I wonder if he was an older son?!?! He fell of a ladder and had a had injury and ‘nek minut’...
Bitzar.