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Hi wondering if anyone can advise?
I believe my grandfather George Robert Charlton 1824-1997 was born in morpeth workhouse in Northumberland, Also possibly one of his brothers. is there anywhere I can search workhouse records?
He was Born with infant paralysis (polio??) and no hip on one side. He has to have a special boot and brace on his leg due to this. I think he also traveled to a workhouse to pay for treatments
Parents
Norman Edward Charlton 1868-1951
Ellen Diston 1894-1954 (3rd wife!)
Any help or advise would be greatly appreciated.
Lisa x
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For info see: http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Morpeth/
Describes the workhouse before Poor Law Unions (1834) and afterwards.
N.B. A note at the bottom of the page says:
Virtually no local records survive — holdings comprise Guardians' minutes (1902-5); Ledger (1923-30).
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Thanks for your reply KGarrad, what a shame about the records. That ended that search!!
Lisa x
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I believe my grandfather George Robert Charlton 1824-1997 was born in morpeth workhouse in Northumberland,
Presumably you mean 1924 not 1824 :D
His birth certificate should clarify exactly where he was born.
He was Born with infant paralysis (polio??)
That would be Infantile Paralysis/Poliomyelitis which is an infectious disease.
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I believe my grandfather George Robert Charlton 1824-1997 was born in morpeth workhouse in Northumberland, Also possibly one of his brothers.
There are 5 Charlton/Diston births registered Morpeth 1920-1930 but no George.
There are possible twins registered May 1925 - one has a name the other one has "Male" - might that be George? See Free BMD birth index :)
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free search of the 1939 register gives George R's year of birth as 1924 :-\
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I think he was born George R Diston in JFM1924, possible later siblings.
Cathy
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I believe my grandfather George Robert Charlton 1824-1997 was born in morpeth workhouse in Northumberland,
Presumably you mean 1924 not 1824 :D
His birth certificate should clarify exactly where he was born.
He was Born with infant paralysis (polio??)
That would be Infantile Paralysis/Poliomyelitis which is an infectious disease.
Hi JenB yes 1924!!
Thanks for clarifying the Infantile Paralysis x
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I believe my grandfather George Robert Charlton 1824-1997 was born in morpeth workhouse in Northumberland, Also possibly one of his brothers.
There are 5 Charlton/Diston births registered Morpeth 1920-1930 but no George.
There are possible twins registered May 1925 - one has a name the other one has "Male" - might that be George? See Free BMD birth index :)
There are many siblings!!
Wife 1
❤️Sabina Jane Charlton (1893-1974)
Wife 2
💙Ernest Charlton (1899-1910)
❤️Ellen Charlton (1905-??)
💙Sidney Charlton (1907-1975)
❤️Lillian Charlton (1910-2002)
Wife 3- Ellen Diston My G Grandmother
❤️Elsie Charlton (1917-1999)
💙Ernest Charlton 1918-1994 (2nd)
💙George Robert Charlton (1924-1997)
💙Norman Charlton (1931-??)
❤️Margaret Rose Charlton (1932-1993)
💙Matthew Henry Charlton (1933-2009)
💙Fredrick W Charlton (1936-1937)
Lisa x
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I think he was born George R Diston in JFM1924, possible later siblings.
Cathy
Where is this from pls FreeBMD ?
Thank you x
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I believe my grandfather George Robert Charlton 1824-1997 was born in morpeth workhouse in Northumberland, Also possibly one of his brothers.
There are 5 Charlton/Diston births registered Morpeth 1920-1930 but no George.
There are possible twins registered May 1925 - one has a name the other one has "Male" - might that be George? See Free BMD birth index :)
Ooh I will have to look into this as I have not come across twins in his siblings, he has went on and had 2 sets of twins himself tho!
Lisa x
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I believe my grandfather George Robert Charlton 1824-1997 was born in morpeth workhouse in Northumberland, Also possibly one of his brothers.
There are 5 Charlton/Diston births registered Morpeth 1920-1930 but no George.
There are possible twins registered May 1925 - one has a name the other one has "Male" - might that be George? See Free BMD birth index :)
Ooh I will have to look into this as I have not come across twins in his siblings, he has went on and had 2 sets of twins himself tho!
Lisa x
Please bear in mind my earlier reply: the twin birth was in 1925. George's date of birth on the 1939 register is 1924
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Yes, it may possibly be additional siblings or not even relevant but worth a look into :) x
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I believe my grandfather George Robert Charlton 1824-1997 was born in morpeth workhouse in Northumberland, Also possibly one of his brothers.
There are 5 Charlton/Diston births registered Morpeth 1920-1930 but no George.
There are possible twins registered May 1925 - one has a name the other one has "Male" - might that be George? See Free BMD birth index :)
Ooh I will have to look into this as I have not come across twins in his siblings, he has went on and had 2 sets of twins himself tho!
Lisa x
There is also the death of a 'Male' Charlton in the same quarter of 1925 in Morpeth RD, this is very likely the same child.
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I think he was born George R Diston in JFM1924, possible later siblings.
Cathy
A bit of fiddling with the free index on the 1939 shows George R's month of birth was January, so this would fit.
But this birth was in Durham, not Morpeth, Northumberland. Maybe Ellen was away from home when he was born?
By the way Lisa, I can't find the marriage of Norman Charlton and Ellen Diston, can you enlighten me please?
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A bit of fiddling with the free index on the 1939 shows George R's month of birth was January, so this would fit.
But this birth was in Durham, not Morpeth, Northumberland. Was Ellen away from home when he was born?
By the way Lisa, I can't find the marriage of Norman Charlton and Ellen Diston, can you enlighten me please?
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I haven’t found the marriage myself yet, it could be possible that he was born in Durham, from what I’ve been told Ellen spend time in workhouses.
I haven’t found a suitable birth record for my grandad as of yet, that’s why I was looking for workhouse info... I only ever met him once or twice when I was little.
We have always known his birthday as 23rd jan 1924..
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I think he was born George R Diston in JFM1924, possible later siblings.
This 1924 birth in Durham is looking more and more likely.
The Durham Registrar's site shows that the middle name was Robert.
A 'workhouse' birth can very often actually mean that the child was born in the infirmary attached to a workhouse and not in the workhouse itself.
If it was me I'd definitely be getting that George R. Diston birth certificate.
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Any progress on this one - it would be nice to know :)
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Hi JenB, not as yet :(
The set of twins that were found look like one died at birth then one died shortly after.
I will update when I get any further x
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As I suggested earlier I think you need to get that 1924 George R Diston birth certificate if you want to try to sort this one out :)
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Yes, think this is the only way!! Once I have the spare funds this is my next step x
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Yes, think this is the only way!! Once I have the spare funds this is my next step x
Please let us know what it reveals!
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I certainly will x
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The sad story of the twins made the newspapers, so just in case they fit in your family:
02 May 1925 - Shields Daily News - Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
DEATH OF BABY TWINS
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Family of five in Hut at
Newbiggin
Sad revelations were made at an inquest
held at Newbiggin yesterday on an infant
child, the son of Norman Edward Charlton,
who lives in a wooden bungalow near
Lyneburn.
The father, an unemployed labourer said
his wife gave birth to twins on Sunday last.
One died the same day, and the other on
Tuesday. Witness and his family, which
consisted of his wife and three children,
occupied the bungalow. He built it him-
self. A recess was used as sleeping quar-
ters. Witness slept on the floor. He had
been unable to get a house.
Sergeant W. Riccalton said the hut was
in a filthy condition, and the bed was
covered with rags.
Dr Skene, Lynemouth, said there was no
chance of the first child living, but the
second might have lived if proper care had
been taken. Witness gave the father a
note to take to the relieving office at Ash-
ington in order that the woman might be
taken into the workhouse hospital, but the
father had not delivered the note. Witness
had to light a candle during the daytime
in order to see the patients. Death was
aggravated by the conditions of the hut.
A verdict of "Death from natural
causes" was returned, and the father was
censured by the Deputy Coroner.
Lancashire Evening Post 02 May 1925
FATHER CENSURED BY JURY
At a Newbiggen inquest yesterday on a twin
son of Norman Edward Charlton, it was stated
that the family live in a hut 8ft by 9ft, on
the beach at Lyneburn (Northumberland). The
twins were born on Sunday, one dying on
Tuesday. The father was given a note by a
doctor to have the woman removed to the work-
house, but omitted to hand it to the relieving
officer. A verdict of death from natural causes
was returned, the father being censured by the
jury.
The 02 May 1925 - Yorkshire Post and Leeds Intelligencer also ran the article with no info in it, other than pointing out that the 8ft by 9ft hut was smaller than most hen cotes.
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Bart,
Thank you for this info.
They would have been my great uncles :( my grandfathers brothers.
One was un names, the other was named Norman Edward Charlton.
In 1927 Ellen Diston went on to have her next child and also called him Norman Edward but registered birth as Diston instead of Charlton, I believe this child was born at a workhouse. She went on to have another 3 children after this too. The last child a son also lived only a short time.
What a sad sad story x
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In earlier posts, Cathy and JenB have noted the birth registration of a George Robert Diston born in Durham, 1924. I just wanted to note that the maiden name of the mother for this registration was also Diston.
If Ellen Diston also registered the 1927 baby as a Diston, it is very possible that Ellen and Norman were not married.... perhaps wife #2 left him, but were still legally married, so Ellen could not marry him.
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I’ve been told by another family member that Norman and Ellen ran away together she is considerably younger than him, I think 26 years. Norman was married to jane gowland then to Elizabeth Ann Moore who he left for Ellen.
So o think that it’s possibly correct they never married x
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What a tragic story about the twins, it hardly bears thinking about. Thanks bbart for posting it.
I also suspect Norman and Ellen weren't married.
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Just to conclude I received my grandads birth cert.
He was born 37 crossgate Durham which was a workhouse.
Residence address for his mother Ellen Diston, domestic servant was 103 franwellgate Durham which was a school
No father on certificate.
I'm guessing this may be as my grandad was born with Infant pralasis and no left hip, no father named so she could get help with treatments needed.
But my grandad did go by the name George Robert Charlton throughout his life.
Thanks x
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That sounds good. What was the date of birth on the certificate?
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That sounds good. What was the date of birth on the certificate?
23rd January 1924.
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That sounds good. What was the date of birth on the certificate?
23rd January 1924.
Well, that confirms it. Search George Charlton born 23 Jan 1924 on the free index to the 1939 register and there is only one hit, which is your George R Charlton living in Morpeth!
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Thanks JenB!!
Where will I find the free index? X
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The 1939 register is available on FindMyPast and Ancestry.
You can search it on FindMyPast without having a subscription. You need a sub. to see the image and get the full transcribed entry, but you can use the search without a sub to get quite a lot of information.
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Ah brilliant thank you. I will have a look x
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Ah brilliant thank you. I will have a look x
You need to use the 'Advanced' search.
As an example of how to use it, first search for George Charlton born 23 January 1924. This brings up one result and shows that there is also a Norman Charlton in the household, which is in Morpeth M.B.
Now do a new search. Just enter the surname Charlton in the name box, select Morpeth M.B. in the Borough/District box, and enter the name Norman Charlton in the 'Other household member' boxes at the bottom of the page. Leave everything else blank.
The result will give you all the folks named Charlton in the same household their years of birth. There record which is closed.
As I said before, you will need a full subscription to see the original page, which contains dates of birth for everyone and occupations. We aren't allowed to do look-ups.