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Title: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: Darren Winter on Saturday 05 January 19 20:22 GMT (UK)
HI. My Dad has tried before and he /I would love to find out more about his Mothers side of the family. If you can help us out, we would both be so happy.
So her name is Marie Thelma winter (was Govey) and she married George William Winter on 25th DEC 1934. Marie was born 20th Jan 1920 and died 10th march 1989. George was born 28th May 1911 and died 5th Aug 1985.
They both lived in Dagenham and Romford Essex for many years and had 2 children (Barry Winter and Brenda Winter).
We have traced back my Grandad's family but unable to do anything with my Grandma.
Good luck and thank you for taking a look for us!!
Thanks
Darren
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - Any help is appreciated
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 05 January 19 20:26 GMT (UK)
HI. My Dad has tried before and he /I would love to find out more about his Mothers side of the family. If you can help us out, we would both be so happy.
So her name is Marie Thelma winter (was Govey) and she married George William Winter on 25th DEC 1934. Marie was born 20th Jan 1920 and died 10th march 1989. George was born 28th May 1911 and died 5th Aug 1985.

Welcome Darren :)

If your dates are right, Marie would have been married at age 14 - looks unlikely?
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 05 January 19 20:28 GMT (UK)
I see that Marie’s 1989 death registration (in Havering) gives her birthdate as 20 January 1912 :)
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 05 January 19 20:29 GMT (UK)
Born therefore as Marie Thelma Lydia Govey, mother’s maiden name Hicks, Mar qtr 1912 Poplar 1c 926.
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 05 January 19 20:32 GMT (UK)
Possible siblings:

Florance Louisa May Govey, mmn Hicks, Sep qtr 1910 Hackney
William James Richard Beckford Govey, mmn Hicks, Jun qtr 1914 Hackney
Lilian Elizabeth Govey, mmn Hicks, Mar qtr 1918 Hackney
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 05 January 19 20:36 GMT (UK)
Possible parents:

William Stephen Govey marr Florence Rebecca Hicks, Sep qtr 1909 West Ham 4a 276.
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 05 January 19 20:37 GMT (UK)
Confirmed parents of Florence  from 1911
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 05 January 19 20:38 GMT (UK)
Florence L Govey
Registration Date:   Jan-Feb-Mar 1934
Registration district:   Islington
Inferred County:   London
Spouse:   Montague G W Wheeler
Volume Number:   1b
Page Number:   451
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: jonwicken on Saturday 05 January 19 20:39 GMT (UK)
Also later brother WILLIAM  JAMES RICHARD BECKFORD GOVEY born Hackney 1914.

Assume Beckford was a family name somewhere.

Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 05 January 19 20:41 GMT (UK)
Baptism

William Stephen Govey   28 Aug 1887
South Hackney St John of Jerusalem, Hackney, England
Father:   James Govey, a warehouseman.  Address 1 coach yard.
Mother:   Jane Govey
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: jonwicken on Saturday 05 January 19 20:43 GMT (UK)
1911 census shows Florence with parents:

William Stephen Govey born   abt 1888
Florence Rebecca Govey born   abt 1888
Florence Louisa Govey born   abt 1911

Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 05 January 19 20:43 GMT (UK)
1901 William S and parents etc

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X98H-4WJ
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 05 January 19 20:46 GMT (UK)
Death of William

William Stephen Govey
Death Age:   86
Birth Date:   7 Aug 1887
Registration Date:   Dec 1973
Registration district:   Rochford
Inferred County:   Essex
Volume:   4a
Page:   229
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: Maiden Stone on Saturday 05 January 19 20:49 GMT (UK)
Darren, if the 2 children of the marriage who are named in your original post are alive you should delete their names. RootsChat has a rule about not naming or posting identifiable information about living people.
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 05 January 19 20:52 GMT (UK)
 
HICKS, FLORENCE  REBECCA   Mother’s maiden name    THOMAS     
GRO Reference: 1888  S Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 579

Baptism

Florence Rebecca Hicks

2 Sep 1888, Hackney Wick, Hackney, England
Father:   John Richard Hicks. 56 Victoria road . Carpenter
Mother:   Louisa Hicks
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: jonwicken on Saturday 05 January 19 20:54 GMT (UK)
William Stephen Govey's death entry shows he was born 7 Aug 1887   and death registered December 1973   in registration district of Rochford   Essex.
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: jonwicken on Saturday 05 January 19 20:57 GMT (UK)
From a free search the 1939 register seems to show William S Govey born 1887 was living on his own.

Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: jonwicken on Saturday 05 January 19 21:04 GMT (UK)
An ancestry tree shows Florence Rebecca Hicks with a daughter by Henry Joseph Lifford.

This daughter was Doris Gladys Lifford and she was born in Hackney in 1924 and died in 2002.

It appears that William Stephen Govey and Florence Rebecca Hicks must have separated and she had a new partner?

In a free search of the 1939 register Henry J Lifford born 1886 seems to be with Florence R Lifford born 1888 and also Doris G Lifford born 1924.

Also seems to be with them is Lilian E Govey born 1917.

Lilian Govey's birth was mentioned earlier:

GOVEY, LILIAN  ELIZABETH     HICKS
GRO Reference: 1918  M Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 617

So Florence clearly separated from her husband at some point between 1917 and 1923 and started a new relationship with Henry Lifford with whom she had a daughter. She took her daughter Lilian Govey with her after the separation.
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: jonwicken on Saturday 05 January 19 21:05 GMT (UK)
Florence Rebecca Hicks/Govey/Lifford died in 1974:

Florence Rebecca Lifford
23 Jul 1888   Dec 1974   Poplar and Bethnal Green   Greater London
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: jonwicken on Saturday 05 January 19 22:23 GMT (UK)
Florence married Henry Lifford in 1955 so presumably she had divorced her first husband William Govey by then:

Henry J Lifford
Jul-Aug-Sep 1955
Poplar London
Florence R Govey
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: jonwicken on Saturday 05 January 19 23:32 GMT (UK)
William Stephen Govey was one of the executors to the probate of Albert Arthur Walters of Cheam, Surrey in 1940. Doubt there will be more information in the will but could be worth looking at.

Details are here https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1904/31874_222390-00105?pid=2749895&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DPBv48%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26db%3Dukprobatecal%26gsfn%3DALBERT%2520ARTHUR%26gsln%3DWALTERS%26gsfn_x%3D1%26gsln_x%3D1%26cp%3D0%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26redir%3Dfalse%26uidh%3Dzo3%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D36%26fh%3D0%26h%3D2749895%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D1&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=PBv48&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true
Title: Re: Trying to help my Dad find his family - (East London / Essex) thank you!!
Post by: jennifer c on Tuesday 08 January 19 20:38 GMT (UK)
20/1/1912 is confirmed on 1939 index. Marie is shown living in Swale Kent.

Jennifer