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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: eramophla on Monday 07 January 19 23:44 GMT (UK)
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Just wondering if anyone has any information on this person who has a death entry in Queensland's BDMs:
Richard Morris d 25/9/1885, Mother: Elizabeth Harris, Father: John Morris
Any assistance provided would be greatly appreciated. :)
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Can you check your copy of the d.c. please and give the details found there, as I am sure there will be RChatters who will help further once they have the information you will know from that death 'C' registration (not with a 'B' so not registered Brisbane)
Qld BDM ref #C1670
JM
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This is a tricky one!
Someone clearly knew him well enough to know his parents names and more importantly his mother's maiden name, so perhaps a sibling or his parents of course.
There are at least 5 Richard Morris on Qld Immigration lists, but no matching parents on same ship.
There are a couple of marriages in England of John Morris and Elizabeth Harris c 1850's ( I couldn't find them in Qld) Also at least one 1861 census entry of a John and Elizabeth Morris with son Richard b 1857.
Nothing on death in www.trove.nla Qld newspapers.
If you purchased the death certificate it should give his age which woiuld be a start.
shume australia
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Yes agree with majm re death cert.
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Some earlier research https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=115705.0
JM
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Thanks for your assistance everyone. Enjoy the rest of your day. :D
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Thanks for your assistance everyone. Enjoy the rest of your day. :D
Hi,
May I please ask if you have the Qld d.c.?
JM
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Is this the person you are researching?
SA BDM
1853 16/1 MORRIS Richard marr. RUNDLE Mary Ann @ Adelaide
births
1853 MORRIS Eliza
parents Richard MORRIS / Mary Ann RUNDLE @ Adelaide 4/190
1861 MORRIS Harriet
parents Richard MORRIS / Mary Ann RUNDLE @ Adelaide 20/57
1862 MORRIS Mary Ann
parents Richard MORRIS / Mary Ann RUNDLE @ Adelaide 20/400
BDM VIC death
MORRIS Albert
parents MORRIS Richard / Mary Ann (Rundle) 1935 18906
died Warrnambool age 58
South Australian Register 2 Nov 1864 p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/39126541?
...Richard MORRIS not supporting Mary Ann MORRIS...five children....
Evening Journal 22 Mar 1872 p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/196738920?
...Richard MORRIS son of Mary Ann MORRIS....
If Richard did not stay with his family, I doubt that the QLD death, 1885, is him....with good details about his parents.
You have the marriage certificate, 1853. What church are they married in.....who are the witnesses.....does Richard sign his name?
Where do you see a suggestion of occupation for him?
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I do not have a death certificate. That is why I posted on the forum - to see if there was any other information out there before obtaining one. The reason I was interested in the death entry in QLD BMDs was because a newspaper article about his son's marriage in 1884 stating that Richard was 'late of Southport'. I know of two Southport's in Australia - one in Queensland and one in a beach area in South Australia near Port Noarlunga.
Richard is also known to have travelled throughout his time in South Australia - I have records of him in country South Australia and moving between SA and VIC.
His occupation was shoemaker. He is not to be confused with his son Richard who also had the same occupation (and appears to have been involved in street-fighting).
He was married to Mary Ann Rundle at St Andrews Church in Walkerville. She would marry for a second time in September 1880 to James Wishart and called herself a widow, but I am uncertain if Richard was actually deceased at this time.
This page will provide you with the details that I have on his life - https://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_Morris_(1827-c1884)
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:) :)
Just an observation to share
From the following database:
https://www.familyhistorysa.org/colonists.html
MORRIS Richard, Mary Ann RUNDLE married 1853-03-27 at St Andrew, Walkerville, aged 22, 17
MORRIS Richard, Mary Ann RUNDLE, parents of child born 1853-08-04 named Eliza at Adelaide
1853 - 22 so born about 1830 -1832 for Richard
BUT from the link you provided, Richard is c 1827
And of course that observation simply does not help at all with the Qld BDM online index for that death registration #C1670, of 1885 as per Reply #1.
That 1885 d.c. could well be for your elusive chap, but it also could well be for any other person who had been living or at least passing through Qld at that time, it is a death registered 'C' so not a marine death and not a death registered in the then district of Brisbane ... it could be an infant right through to an elderly person.
I do not have a death certificate. That is why I posted on the forum - to see if there was any other information out there before obtaining one. The reason I was interested in the death entry in QLD BMDs was because a newspaper article about his son's marriage in 1884 stating that Richard was 'late of Southport'. I know of two Southport's in Australia - one in Queensland and one in a beach area in South Australia near Port Noarlunga.
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This page will provide you with the details that I have on his life - https://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_Morris_(1827-c1884)
JM
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Re 'late of Southport' in that 1884 newspaper announcement ...
I have not sighted that newspaper, but here is a cutting for a different family but notice how it notes another Southport...
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/184993413 21 June 1884, The Week, (Qld newspaper)...
...... On the 11th of June, at Brisbane, Mr.......... , late of Southport, England, aged .....
If you check your newspaper cutting for the son's marriage 1884 ... I am sure you will notice that 'late of ....' is indicating where that person most recently was known to be living .... and also if the mention of 'Southport' is NOT followed by either the name of the colony or England, then the locality of 'Southport' is likely to be the one well known to those people reading that paper at that time, ie to be the one in that same colony that the newspaper is published in ....
Hope that helps, ....
ADD, is the newspaper available online for 1884 ie the year that the son married...
JM
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Thanks for your observation. :) You are correct about his birthdate - I have not had a chance to update it on the article yet. I have a theory about his early life based on this birthdate, but am yet to investigate in any detail - http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/park10.html
In regards to the newspaper article about his son's marriage, here it is online - https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/35968847?searchTerm=%22William%20morris%22 &searchLimits=l-state=South+Australia|||l-decade=188|||l-year=1884
I have not been able to locate a death record for Richard in South Australia.
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Thanks for that link :)
May I suggest that it is informing us that William, of Southport, when marrying believed his father was already deceased. ... as though some of those commas are being used as parentheses
MARRIAGES.
MORRIS—STABERNACK—On the 4th October, at St. Luke's, by the Rev. Archdeacon Farr, William
Morris, son of the late Richard Morris, of Southport, to Minny Stabernack, of Lobethal.
.... William Morris, (son of the late Richard Morris,) of Southport, to Minny ....
JM
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That has Richard deceased by Oct 1884. The Qld death is 1885, so can’t be him.
Jamjar
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Was Albert born, 1876, their last child?
Do you have wife Mary Ann’s death?
Added: Just read info on the link you provided, so my questions answered.
Jamjar
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Thanks again for the questions and advice anyone.
If anyone happens to stumble upon a death for a Richard Morris between 1876 and 1884 that appears to match, I would greatly appreciate if you would let me know. ;D
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Please note that many links to Familypedia somehow miss the closing parenthesis (which is a standard feature of pages for individuals and some place-names). If you follow one and get told that the page does not exist, check the URL and add the ")" if it has been cut off.
:) :)
Just an observation to share
From the following database:
https://www.familyhistorysa.org/colonists.html
MORRIS Richard, Mary Ann RUNDLE married 1853-03-27 at St Andrew, Walkerville, aged 22, 17
MORRIS Richard, Mary Ann RUNDLE, parents of child born 1853-08-04 named Eliza at Adelaide
1853 - 22 so born about 1830 -1832 for Richard
BUT from the link you provided, Richard is c 1827
And of course that observation simply does not help at all with the Qld BDM online index for that death registration #C1670, of 1885 as per Reply #1.
That 1885 d.c. could well be for your elusive chap, but it also could well be for any other person who had been living or at least passing through Qld at that time, it is a death registered 'C' so not a marine death and not a death registered in the then district of Brisbane ... it could be an infant right through to an elderly person.
I do not have a death certificate. That is why I posted on the forum - to see if there was any other information out there before obtaining one. The reason I was interested in the death entry in QLD BMDs was because a newspaper article about his son's marriage in 1884 stating that Richard was 'late of Southport'. I know of two Southport's in Australia - one in Queensland and one in a beach area in South Australia near Port Noarlunga.
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This page will provide you with the details that I have on his life - https://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_Morris_(1827-c1884)
JM