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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Brickwall Demolisher on Tuesday 08 January 19 16:12 GMT (UK)
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My G / Grandfather ....... We cannot find on the 1881 Census.
We have him at home with family on 1861 aged 5 and 1871 aged 15.
My G / Grandfather ALFRED WENTZELL b 1856 Wirral married CHARLOTTE WANNELL 1879 St.Saviour, Southwark, Surrey. Mar Qtr
Their first child MARY ANN was born Jun Qtr but dies Dec 1880.
The death certificate's address of death is 3, Chatham Street, Rodney Road, Walworth.(Reg.District St.Saviour, Sub District St.Peter,Walworth, Surrey
Unable to find ALFRED & CHARLOTTE on 1881 census
Between 1881 and 1891 they have four children,
The 1891 ALFRED / CHARLOTTE are on the 1891 Census, Plus the children
HARRY b1882, Newhaven, Sussex, SARAH b1884, St.Olave, Southwark, ELIZABETH b1885 St.Olave, Southwark, FLORENCE b1889 St.Saviour, Southwark
Can anyone help on finding ALFRED & CHARLOTTE on the 1881 Census. ??There's no more Census on ALFRED after the 1891 as he has gone to America.
This Wentzell family were in the Walworth area from about 1865.They lived there until the 1970's. Could a search for Baptist records on the children be made, the Electoral registrars, which may help finding something, Many Thanks
JUST J
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I think you've had several previous threads about the same family?
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=806001.msg6647413#msg6647413
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...including this one specifically seeking the 1881 census entry?
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=805738
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My request is specifically for Baptist records / Electoral records between 1880 &1890.
Just J
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My request is specifically for Baptist records / Electoral records between 1880 &1890.
Just J
I have just spent time searching the 1881 census to find that you’ve changed the subject of the look up request from the 1881 census to ‘baptist and electoral registers!
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The children and women won't be on any Electoral Roll - as they weren't eligible to vote.
London Electoral Rolls are available on Ancestry - searchable by name. Have you looked there?
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My Apologies, JenB,
JUST J
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Bapt. 30/10/1887 Parish church Bermondsey Charlotte Elizabeth Wentzell parents Alfred and Charlotte occ Carman address 2 Wolf Street Dockhead.
Jennifer
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Church was St Mary Magdalene.
Jennifer
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St Mary Magdalene 10/2/1884 bapt
Harry and Sarah Ann bapt together address 15 College Street
Jennifer
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Bapt. As Florrie 25/9/1889 born 7/9/1889 bapt 25/9/1889 address 23 Queens Row
Camberwell Emmanuel Southwark
Jennifer
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There is an Alfred Wentzell, 90 Woodbine Grive, Penge in 1881 in Electoral registers but not in census.
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I have tried to look back over your various threads for confirmation of this information which you posted but can’t spot it. Apologies if you already have this. You haven’t given a date for Alfred’s departure.
“Can anyone help on finding ALFRED & CHARLOTTE on the 1881 Census. ??There's no more Census on ALFRED after the 1891 as he has gone to America.”
There are some newspaper snippets dated 1894 re Alfred Wendell and his ‘two wives’ and cruelty to a child.
There is a 1893 birth for William Charles Wendell mmn Wonnell.
The child dies 1895 and there is a brief Workhouse Admission record for him.
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Many thanks peoples,
For your quick replies,very much appreciated. You have certainly given me something to work with.As I have mentioned in some of my posts in the past, I am in post stroke recovery, have been now for near on 3 years. I have been researching my family's history just for the interest. My speed of doing things is by far not what I would like it to be. Anyone that I have confused by changing the heading of this request, My Apologies,
Regards JUST J
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Just in case you haven’t seen these births
1891 Jessie May Wentzell mmn Wonnell, Greenwich
1892 Alice Maud Wentzell mmn Newson Camberwell
Newson is mentioned in the newspaper snippet as the 2nd ‘wife’.
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Heywood,
Many thanks for the info. Yes, I do have the information of Alfred and his "second wife"details. I / We believe it's why he left England in 1893. Your other details are interesting as well.
Regards JUST J