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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: janjim on Wednesday 09 January 19 03:08 GMT (UK)
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Hi I wonder if anyone can assist me please. We have Henry Charles Marshall b. 1855 Donnington, Berkshire, England who was living with his family up until 1881 census.
After that we have found him (if we have the right person) in 1888 married at Bathurst to Elizabeth Anne Smith who came from Gulgong, NSW. They had a number of children born from 1890 through to 1906, who were born all over NSW.
At this stage, I have not found any migration records. If anyone can assist me please, would really appreciate that. Henry Marshall was son of David Marshall and Sarah (nee Rufey)
We need to confirm that we have the right person, before we go any further with our research, and also DNA matches.
Regards
Jan
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You are researching the fate, 1881+, of Henry Charles MARSHALL, b. Berkshire, parents David Marshall and Sarah (nee Rufey).
And considering the possibility that this Henry C MARSHALL, might be the same man?
NSW BDM
3943/1888 MARSHALL Henry C marr. SMITH Elizabeth @ Bathurst
What parents do you see on the marriage certificate?
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We do not have marriage certificate. We do suspect, due to DNA matching, that we have the right man, and also due to the fact that the family lived at Bankstown, where other members of our family lived.
Jan
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You are researching the fate, 1881+, of Henry Charles MARSHALL, b. Berkshire, parents David Marshall and Sarah (nee Rufey).
And considering the possibility that this Henry C MARSHALL, might be the same man?
NSW BDM
3943/1888 MARSHALL Henry C marr. SMITH Elizabeth @ Bathurst
What parents do you see on the marriage certificate?
The Young Chronicle 11 Oct 1940 p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/233927816?
...death on Sydney Hospital Henry Charles MARSHALL....88 years...daughter Mrs HARGRAVES of Young.....
NSW BDM death
20996/1940 MARSHALL Henry Charles parents David / Sarah @ Sydney
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Hi Wivenhoe,
Yes, you are correct, have all that information, parents names of Henry Charles Marshall correct too, but as I said previously, I do not have a marriage certificate.
Jan
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May I assure you that MARSHALL... as a surname ... is found in Central Western NSW, including Bathurst from mid 1820s I suggest that the m.c. mentioned by Wivenhoe is an important step in your research ....
Official transcription will have all the details including if it is fully reconciled by NSW bdm.
JM
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Jan, you have posted in the wrong section.
You may like to ask the moderator to move it to the main Australia board.
Jamjar
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He was 86, not 88, Wivenhoe:
At Rookwood:
HENRY C MARSHALL 86 9-10-1940 Zone D Section 13 Grave no. 172
A better death notice, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17700059
Wife same year:
ELIZABETH MARSHALL 71 12-5-1940 Zone D Section 13 Grave no. 171
Death notice, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17680569
I can’t think of anything other than the marriage cert, either.
Did any family members come with him?
Jamjar
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Deaths:
1176/1955 MARSHALL David Henry HENRY CHARLES and ELIZABETH BURWOOD
Rookwood: DAVID MARSHALL 61 15-1-1955 Zone D Section 16B Grave 2227
10544/1963 HARGRAVES Alice Maud parents HENRY and ELIZABETH YOUNG
9246/1978 SOPHIOS Lucy Elizabeth parents CHARLES HENRY and ELIZABETH
SOPHIOS Lucy Elizabeth Death notice 27-4-1978 Death Sydney Morning Herald 29-4-1978
11486/1978 BUSHEL Dorothy Alma HENRY and ELIZABETH
Death and funeral notices, scroll to page 20 or type 11 in little white box, 1st and 4th columns:
https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19780525&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
15136/1985 MARSHALL Edward James parent’s HENRY CHARLES and ELIZABETH ANN
MARSHALL Edward James Death notice 9-6-1985 Death 87 late of Earlwood Sydney Morning Herald 11-6-1985
Jamjar
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Yes Jamjar, got all of those, and yes Alice Maud's parents were Henry and Elizabeth from Young.
(not a surname for Elizabeth)
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He was 86, not 88, Wivenhoe:
At Rookwood:
HENRY C MARSHALL 86 9-10-1940 Zone D Section 13 Grave no. 172
A better death notice, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17700059
Wife same year:
ELIZABETH MARSHALL 71 12-5-1940 Zone D Section 13 Grave no. 171
Death notice, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17680569
I can’t think of anything other than the marriage cert, either.
Did any family members come with him?
Jamjar
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Thank you Jamjar, yes I agree with all that information too. In 1881 census, his family were still living at Donnington, Berkshire, England.
Jan
He was 86, not 88, Wivenhoe:
At Rookwood:
HENRY C MARSHALL 86 9-10-1940 Zone D Section 13 Grave no. 172
A better death notice, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17700059
Wife same year:
ELIZABETH MARSHALL 71 12-5-1940 Zone D Section 13 Grave no. 171
Death notice, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17680569
I can’t think of anything other than the marriage cert, either.
Did any family members come with him?
Jamjar
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Yes Jamjar, got all of those, and yes Alice Maud's parents were Henry and Elizabeth from Young.
(not a surname for Elizabeth)
Yes, by putting up all the available information, it may just attract the attention of someone connected to the family who may be able to tell you the origins of this particular Henry Charles.
Yes, Young as it the NSW town, just as Burwood is not her surname, but a suburb of Sydney.
Jamjar
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In the township of Bathurst NSW in the 1870s and 1880s .... two families with surname MARSHALL, in the district of Bathurst, four separate families with that surname... :) ... and then there's the SMITH families at Gulgong
JM
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http://bathurstfhg.asn.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/bathmap.jpg
the NSW BDM district of Bathurst was somewhat larger again, and the NSW Police District of Bathurst was considerably larger again ...
JM
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Hi, thank you again, yes his parents David & Sarah both died in Berkshire England, 1883 and 1888. Henry Charles Marshall was the only one living with them in 1881 census, have not been able to find him in 1891 census.
I know the areas you mention in western NSW quite well, understand, thank you.
You mention that I have my posting in the wrong section, can you tell me where I have gone wrong please. All I am looking for is immigration records now, to link him up in Australia.
Yes I know I need marriage certificate, may have to look at that still.
Jan
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You have it in ‘Resources and Offers’.
It would be best here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia/
If you tell the moderator that you want it on the Oz ‘main board’, they will know where to move it to.
I live not far from Young and spent many years Burwood/Bankstown areas.
I wondered if any siblings came with him.
Jamjar
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NSW ARCHIVES, online indexes searching for MARSHALL as keyword.
Kelso, (so Bathurst !)
William MARSHALL, a Carpenter was sequested 20 Feb 1867
Ilford (so on the road from Bathurst to Gulgong)
Samuel MARSHALL, a Carpenter was sequested 14 August 1875
Bathurst (in the township itself)
Isaac MARSHALL deceased estate ... died 25 Aug 1882 ... JM notes ... my offline records show me that I had transcribed some info about him for a family history group in the 1970s and that he was an innkeeper in Howick St Bathurst for much of the 1870s
Just a few samples :) using online indexes searching at https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/ ...
JM
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NSW Archives immigration indexes :
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/immigration-and-shipping/indexes
JM
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Jamjar, interesting Young, we lived there for 10 years, and my Grandparents and Mother lived at Bankstown. I will continue my search with the rest of his siblings. Thank you all. In fact I thought I had put it on forum, sorry about that.
Jan
You have it in ‘Resources and Offers’.
It would be best here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia/
If you tell the moderator that you want it on the Oz ‘main board’, they will know where to move it to.
I live not far from Young and spent many years Burwood/Bankstown areas.
I wondered if any siblings came with him.
Jamjar
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NSW Archives immigration indexes :
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/immigration-and-shipping/indexes
JM
I did their ‘key name search’ ealier and nothing for him.
Also, on NSWBDM I see no other Marshall deaths, with parents as David and Sarah, from 1881 to 1960.
Jamjar
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Yes, appreciate that JJ, but the chap who married in 1888, he would have given first hand info about his origins, and his parents when marrying. The info on the d.c. as per the index cannot possibly be first hand info...
How does anyone know the names of the parents of the bridegroom on that marriage registered Bathurst .... Jan needs to know that before she can go further in her researching and DNA matches ... :)
Hi I wonder if anyone can assist me please. We have Henry Charles Marshall b. 1855 Donnington, Berkshire, England who was living with his family up until 1881 census.
After that we have found him (if we have the right person) in 1888 married at Bathurst to Elizabeth Anne Smith who came from Gulgong, NSW. They had a number of children born from 1890 through to 1906, who were born all over NSW.
At this stage, I have not found any migration records. If anyone can assist me please, would really appreciate that. Henry Marshall was son of David Marshall and Sarah (nee Rufey)
We need to confirm that we have the right person, before we go any further with our research, and also DNA matches.
Regards
Jan
JM
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:)
Does anyone already have the NSW BDM birth certs for any of the children .... if so, what is given there about their Dad's origins .... and hopefully HE was the informant.... :D
JM
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I am going through Ancestry trees, and have contacted tree holders, who at this time, have not responded. Will keep on searching.
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Couple of items we have found, a Henry Marshall shown in Entrance Book to Gaol (Darlinghurst) of August 1898, age coincides with our Henry Charles Marshall b. 1854/55. He is shown with Alias of Henry Johnson and Henry Williams, having travelled from England on the Orient in 1890. Wonder there could be a mistake on the date noted in the book.
Also have found a charge in 1918 against George Chillenborough, alias Gerris Chilimcaris or Chilimbaris, as having abducted the daughter of Henry Charles Marshall, namely Florence Leah Marshall aged 18 years. This person was arrested and charged with carnally knowing her. However, records indicate that Florence Leah Marshall married Gerris a few months later, but Florence died a few years later.
This is about all the information found, and nothing shown back in England.
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Thank you all for your input with the research on Henry Charles Marshall. We have finally found where he migrated to Townsville Queensland in 1883 on board the ship "Hereford". He went there for work, and as not much available, he made his way to Bathurst where he obtained employment working for NSW State Railways.
Also found Henry Charles Marshall's family in Victoria, his older daughter born in Newbury England, married a Thatcher, and they migrated to Australia where they settled at St. Kilda, Victoria and died around 1938.
Thanking you all.