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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: lnr on Wednesday 09 January 19 04:22 GMT (UK)
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looking for esther( born 23 nov 1899 christchurch nz) may mcsavney adopted by sydney gardiner and mable elizabeth Hoare she was registered 8 feb 1984 Any ideas how I may find her thanks LNR
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Hi Lnr,
Is mcsavney a surname?
Can you tell us anything else about her for her (adopted or real) parents?
Spades
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Can you please rephrase that question. What is it you actually want to know?
What was her birth name?
Is the surname of the adoptive parents GARDINER or HOARE?
What was registered in 1984 (I presume death but I don’t see a death in any of those names)
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Re the registration for 1984, perhaps a passport or something similar was needed and the Birth Certificate was required, which she probably didn't have and it was registered then.
Cheers
KHP
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Is the surname of the adoptive parents GARDINER or HOARE?
Mabel (no middle name) Hoare married 1905 to Sidney Gardiner. Note the different spelling for Sidney. So looking for the surname Gardiner.
Cheers
KHP
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Just trying to build up a bit of background......
Birth?
1881/13493 Hoare Mabel Elizabeth Harriett William
Her death?
1968/39815 Gardiner Mabel 87Y
Minniehaha.
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Bingo or not!
Name : MCSAVNEY Esther
School : Woolston
Register Number : 791
Admission Date : 8 May 1905
Parent / Guardian : John MCSAVNEY
Address : Smiths Rd
Birthdate : 23 Nov 1899 (same birth as in first post)
Last Day : 16 Aug 1907
Cheers
KHP
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If it is the same person, looks like there are brothers called Fred born 27 May 1905 and George 12 December 1894.
Cheers
KHP
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Mcsavney births
1890/11389 McSavney Mary Campbell Mary Jane Bashford John James
1893/805 McSavney George Campbell Mary Jane John James - Order Product
1896/3741 McSavney William Campbell Minnie John James - Order Product
1902/3550 McSavney Emily Ruth Minnie John James - Order Product
1903/4977 McSavney Sarah Campbell Minnie John - Order Product
1905/12950 McSavney Frederick Isaiah Minnie John James - Order Product
1907/7988 McSavney Samuel Minnie John James
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Death of Frederick
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAG19131227.2.20?query=mcsavney&sort_by=byDA&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&page=2&snippet=true
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So the addresses at the time the children were at school, was Smiths Road, Ashbourne Street, and Retreat Road.
Cheers
KHP
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1915, George wounded, nok, father John, Avonside.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAG19150507.2.25?query=mcsavney&sort_by=byDA&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&page=5&snippet=true
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William Campbell McSaveney 10th ballot. 1917
Living Wellington
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/SUNCH19170903.2.7?query=mcsavney&sort_by=byDA&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&page=10&snippet=true
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George
military Cross
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19190129.2.19?query=mcsavney&sort_by=byDA&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&page=11&snippet=true
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They’ve got a road
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19280707.2.182.5?query=mcsavney&sort_by=byDA&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&page=13&snippet=true
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Just found this on Ancestry.
Esther Campbell McSavny :
Birth Jan 1900 Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Campbell fits in with the other siblings as a middle name.
Cheers
KHP
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Another son/brother not in the list
John, funeral leaves res of his mother 15 Retreat Road
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19310627.2.146.4?query=mcsavney&sort_by=byDA&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&page=14&snippet=true
Inquest, dragged by his horse
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19310701.2.10?query=mcsavney&sort_by=byDA&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&page=14&snippet=true
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Could this be the lass?
1926/6706 Esther Campbell Gardiner Arthur Clarence Brown
Cheers
KHP
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Just incase it’s important
1888 there is a Samuel McSweeney Or McSaveney
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/SCANT18880820.2.6?query=mcsaveny&sort_by=byDA&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&snippet=true
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Could this be the lass?
1926/6706 Esther Campbell Gardiner Arthur Clarence Brown
Cheers
KHP
Must be
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Death
1956/27684 Brown Esther Campbell 56Y
So what’s that 1984 reference about?
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We will just have to sit and wait for LNR to explain.
Cheers
KHP
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https://infoservices.adc.govt.nz/Cemeteries/
Surname Brown
First Name(s) Esther
Age (years) 56
Age (months) 0
Denomination Anglican
Occupation Married
Date of Death 14/09/1956
Additional Plot Information CHURCH OF ENGLAND
Cemetery pdf download Ashburton
Area 255
Plot Number 22
Interment Date 17/09/1956
Purchaser Esther Brown
Date Purchased 14/09/1956
Depth Single Depth
Celebrant Rev Price
Cheers
KHP
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thanks All I know is that a child by the name of Esther May Mcsavney born 23 november 1899 chch was adopted( Dont know what age)by Sydney Gardiner and wife Mabel elizabeth (nee Hoare) married 1905The birth was registered chch 8th Feb 1984 I do not know why either.Seems funny as Esther would have been nearly 85? years old. Sidney and Mabel divorced In those records. it says that Estherwas adopted in 1914 at the age of 15 and sydney remarried 1917 after coming home from the war By then esther would have been 17-18 years old= lnr
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Hello.
In my experience, and as per a reply to the forum by B. D. & M. The year date in the register is the date that the registration was formalized. Eg the need for a formal birth certificate to be able to claim a pension, could see a birth registration being applied for 60 - 65 years after birth in NZ.
You state that an adoption was involved. When I was involved with a Parent's Centre in the 1960's the family court first issued an interium adoption, [with a cool off period] before the Court would formally confirm the adoption. The final application may never have been actioned. But adoptions laws have changed over time.
I would think that there was probably a need for a birth certificate, to do with the disbursment of an deceased estate. Proof of Grand child etc.
Alan.
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Hi Have looked up the Ashburton cemetery data and found Arthur Clarence Browns grave He died 1983 area 255 plot 21 purchaser Esther Brown Right next to Esther They married 1926 she as Esther campbell Gardiner after her adoptive parents Thanks so much to all concerned another brick wall tumbled lnr