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Trying to track down birth records for one Elizabeth Ann Rigby. Estimated born Toxteth Park (Liverpool) in circa 1851. I understand MMN was Ann (e) Molloy (although this may be Maloy/Mahoy or another derivative.) Ann Molloy 'may' have been the daughter of a Sarah Corns but I have nothing concrete for that.
Elizabeth's Father is a 'Josiah (Joseph?) Rigby' born circa 1828 in Liverpool. But I can't find any marriage details for him and Ann Molloy which has me now scratching my head!! ???
Wondering if anyone is able to help me please?
Thanks
M
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Possible from FreeBMD?
Mar qtr 1850
Liverpool Registration District vol XX (20), page 363
Rigby, Elizabeth Ann
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Possible from FreeBMD?
Mar qtr 1850
Liverpool Registration District vol XX (20), page 363
Rigby, Elizabeth Ann
The index on FindMyPast has mmn Burnett
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Where do you have Elizabeth Ann on census. I presume she married, who is named as her father and what was his occupation
Ignore this I have found it :)
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If she married Charles Hessey 21 Jan 1872 father is down as Josiah Rigby labourer
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Thank you.
I think I must have gone wrong somewhere ::)
I know Elizabeth Ann Rigby definitely married Charles Edward Hessey in 1872 at St Nicholas's Church. On their cert. it states 'Josiah' as the Father.
I then made a link to the 1871 Census (which is so faded to read it's not true!) which records a JOSHUA Hessey (who I assumed was Josiah) living with Ann and with daughter Elizabeth... But maybe I was wrong to make that assumption of Joshua/Josiah being one and the same?
I was especially drawn to this Census as it also has an 'Ann' aged 1 living here. I know from family hearsay that Elizabeth had a daughter (Ann) out of wedlock and that it was passed off as a daughter of Elizabeth's mother therefore...the dates of all of that info tally. Maybe Elizabeth's Mother Ann wasn't a Molloy? ???
I just can't find a Rigby with a MMN Molloy (or similar) anywhere?!! In fact I can't find any children in and around the area with MMN Molloy which is interesting as I came across an 1851 Census in Oliver Street of an Ann Molloy unmarried and a daughter Elizabeth Molloy aged 1?
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Thank you.
I think I must have gone wrong somewhere ::)
I know Elizabeth Ann Rigby definitely married Charles Edward Hessey in 1872 at St Nicholas's Church. On their cert. it states 'Josiah' as the Father.
I then made a link to the 1871 Census (which is so faded to read it's not true!) which records a JOSHUA Hessey (who I assumed was Josiah) living with Ann and with daughter Elizabeth... But maybe I was wrong to make that assumption of Joshua/Josiah being one and the same?
I was especially drawn to this Census as it also has an 'Ann' aged 1 living here. I know from family hearsay that Elizabeth had a daughter (Ann) out of wedlock and that it was passed off as a daughter of Elizabeth's mother therefore...the dates of all of that info tally. Maybe Elizabeth's Mother Ann wasn't a Molloy? ???
Ref for 1871 RG10/3799 f18 p29 - It is a dreadful copy, I also think it reads Joshua :)
I think that Joshua and Josiah could easily be the same person
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I understand MMN was Ann (e) Molloy
Molloy may have been her first married name, as there is a baptism (11 Mar 1850) in Toxteth, for an Elizabeth, daughter of Josiah and Ann Molloy. He was a labourer, and I can't quite make out the abode.... it looks like Ashby St.
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1861
RG9/ 2704 f95 p36
all born Toxteth Park
Joseph Rigby 29 (Dock Labourer) Ann 28, Elizabeth 10
1851 - There is a married Joseph Rigby age 19 occ labourer in Toxteth lodging with a Rigby family - place of birth Winwick. HO107/2188 f249 p15
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Thank you.
I'll take another look. The birth details for Ann Molloy are interesting...
Appreciate your time very much, thanks
Mx
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Also, I have information given to me from others researching that Ann Molloy's parents were Dominigen Molloy 1801 - 1845) and Sarah Corns (1807 - 1881) Not that this helps me bona fide tie Ann in into the family line I'm looking at!
M
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May or maynot be helpful but in September 1839 there is a Edward Molloy MMN Corns - maybe a brother of Ann
From the 1841 census this would tie in Anderson Buildings Hale Court, Liverpool
Dominigen Molloy age 40
Sarah Molloy age 30
Ann Molloy age 14
Sarah Molloy aged 12
Edward Molloy aged 20 months
Anthony Molloy aged 30
Betsy Molloy aged 20
John Molloy aged 6 weeks
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I think that 1841 entry probably reads Dominique
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There is another Baptism record with the parents Josiah and Ann Rigby at St Peter's in Liverpool 28th Apr 1866 a son Josiah, and one 1860 for a daughter Martha
However the corresponding birth has a MMN of TAYLOR
Interestingly enough the 1 year old Ann Rigby you mention in the potential 1871 census seems to be born Jun quarter 1869 and registered with MMN of Taylor
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Thank you.
I think I must have gone wrong somewhere ::)
I know Elizabeth Ann Rigby definitely married Charles Edward Hessey in 1872 at St Nicholas's Church. On their cert. it states 'Josiah' as the Father.
I then made a link to the 1871 Census (which is so faded to read it's not true!) which records a JOSHUA Hessey (who I assumed was Josiah) living with Ann and with daughter Elizabeth... But maybe I was wrong to make that assumption of Joshua/Josiah being one and the same?
I'm sorry, maybe I'm being a big thick -- but if Elizabeth Ann Rigby's father was Josiah then surely he would be Rigby and not Hessey??
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Thanks everyone.
I just can't match a MMN Molloy to a Josiah/Joseph anywhere. The MMN Taylor info I found out to be a (H)anna(H) Taylor. She married a Josiah in 1858 but his Father was a William and a Watch Maker. I know Josiah/Joshua's Father is a James who was a Tanner. So I think I need to head back to basics a bit and try to find out when and whom Josiah/Joshua married!
Given his parents were James (A Labourer/Tanner/Turpentine Distiller born Abt. 1797) and Margaret (don't know MMN but born Abt. 1801) and they had Mary (1820) William Henry (1825) Our man Josiah (1828) and Edward (1836.) All children are baptised at St Peter's in the heart of Liverpool. CoE.
So the 1841/1851 Census records I have all show this family - right area, names, ages, employment etc and I can deduce from that fairly confidently then that Josiah/Joshua is a SON until at least 1851. (This now stuffs my records showing his daughter Elizabeth Ann Rigby born in 1851 but let's just leave that aside for now!!)
The family base themselves always in Toxteth Park. Church connections to a St Thomas, St Michael and St Peter from other family members. But I still can't find ANY marriage details now for Josiah/Joshua after 1851 ???
ANY help with this new line VERY much appreciated as always. ;D
Thank you
M
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If Ann Molloy was the daughter of Dominique and Sarah, she would have been Catholic, but the baptism/marriage of Elizabeth were not. Is it possible that Ann and Josiah couldn't get married because of religious expectations, so they just lived together as married?
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bbart, it's an interesting point.
Josiah is 'at home' on 1851 Census - the daughter in question is Elizabeth Rigby who, may have been baptised on 11 March 1850 as "Elizabeth Molloy" child of Josiah and Anne Molloy.... Now, we **think** (though I'm strongly beginning to think otherwise) that Ann was 'married' to Josiah (Rigby) and that Molloy was her MMN.
What makes the above even more misleading is on the GRO search this birth (I think) puts the MMN as a Whalen. Also, on that scribed record the entry written above for Feb 24th reads a family name of Molloy too and I just can't believe that as coincidence, more likely an error - but for which entry?
I'm missing 2 key things:
1. The birth details of the 'right' Elizabeth Rigby
2. The marriage proof of Josiah. Just finding him married to anyone, let alone an Ann Molloy, is proving somewhat impossible! ::)
M