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Hi can anyone please help a distant relative of ours they are looking for any info on Elizabeth Ann Lawton b 1868 ish possibly Dodsworth England and born (we think out of wedlock) to Phoebe Strutt nee Lawton. Did Elizabeth Ann marry ?
Thank you in advance :)
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Hi,
Possible marriage? -
Elizabeth Ann Lawton
Birth Year - abt 1867
12 Nov 1888, Holy Trinity, Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Father - George Lawton, Butcher
Spouse - William Ashworth
In 1881 Elizabeth is a servant in the district of Huddersfield. therefore she's in the correct location for the above marriage.
1891 -
William Ashworth 26
Elizabeth A Ashworth 23 b. Dodworth, Yorkshire
Edith Ashworth 1
RG12 Piece 3563 Folio 99 Page 28
JJ
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Dodworth possible birth from free bmd
Births September quarter 1867
Elizabeth Ann H Lawton Barnsley 9c 135
Added:
From GRO, H is Hellewell and no mmn.
GRO here:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
free bmd:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
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Thank you for both replies.
Our relative has just found a photo it says on it...... Great Grandmother
Elizabeth Ann "Turner" !!!.
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1911 -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWVB-5Q2
The above census shows Elizabeth with her daughters Edith and Georgina Ashworth.
Therefore it would appear that Elizabeth Ann Ashworth went on to marry Tom Turner.
JJ
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Possible marriage -
Elizabeth Ann Ashworth
q2 1908, Barnsley
Vol 9c Page 378
On the same page is Thomas Turner.
JJ
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Thank you JJen I will pass this info to relatives overseas, given time difference I may not get a response for some time, but thanks once again and thank you for adding ref no if they wish to send for certificates , any other info greatly appreciated.
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Marriage details -
Elizabeth Ann Ashworth, 40 widow
Marriage Date - 17 May 1908
Marriage Place: St Mary, Barnsley, Yorkshire
Father - Edward Lawton (dec) Colliery Deputy
Spouse - Thomas Tumer
Witnesses - Tom Strutt and Edith Ashworth
There is a difference in Elizabeth's father's name from her first marriage, however I believe she made up her father's name for both marriages to 'save face'. This often happened when the person in question was illegitimate.
JJ
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WOW JJen thank you very much I'm sure this will be of some interest to relatives. May I ask where this info came from ? I have definitely heard them mention the name Tom Strutt so I can say we are on the right line.
Can I just clarify............... 1) Elizabeth Ann Lawton first married William Ashworth and they had
daughters-- Edith Ashworth and Georgina Ashworth.
2) E. Ann was then widowed aged 40 and married Thomas Turner.
correct !!
Thank you once again
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Baptism:
Name Elizabeth Anne Helliwell Lawton
Residence Place York, England
Gender Female
Christening Date 11 Sep 1867
Christening Date (Original) 11Sep1867
Christening Place Dodworth, York, England
Mother's Name Phebe Lawton
Possible marriage for Phoebe Lawton:
Marriages Jun 1870
Lawton Phoebe Barnsley 9c 196
STRUTT Tom Barnsley 9c 196<<<<<<<<<
<<<<<<<<< Elizabeth's stepfather, possible witness to the marriage in 1908 although Elizabeth did have a half brother Thomas born c1878 (see below for baptism) who could also have been the witness
Some Strutt family info can be found here:
https://tinyurl.com/y9ypd6qh
Link to 1891 census for William and Elizabeth Ashworth:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7DV9-ZN2
and 1901 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9RP-D8H
Pssible death for William Ashworth
Deaths Mar 1904
Ashworth William 39 Huddersfield 9a 268
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WOW JJen thank you very much I'm sure this will be of some interest to relatives. May I ask where this info came from ? I have definitely heard them mention the name Tom Strutt so I can say we are on the right line.
Can I just clarify............... 1) Elizabeth Ann Lawton first married William Ashworth and they had
daughters-- Edith Ashworth and Georgina Ashworth.
2) E. Ann was then widowed aged 40 and married Thomas Turner.
correct !!
Thank you once again
Marriage records available on Anc***ry. Your summary is correct :)
JJ
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Elizabeth is not with the Strutt family in 1871 and 1881:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZG5-FKB
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Y-W8Y6
With her grandparents in 1871:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZG5-J3S
Helliwell / Hellewell is probably her father's surname, possibly he is George, a butcher as from her first marriage (Edward Lawton is her grandfather's name and he was a Colliery Viewer in 1871 so that's where the info on the second marriage likely comes from)
This is only circumstantial evidence but there is a possible George Hallewell, a butcher from the Silkstone / Dodworth area:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZGR-SQV
(possibly George Hallewell who married Ellen Archer in 1870)
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Thank you Jorose, it appears from new info from elderly relatives (reluctantly) Elizabeth Ann worked for a butchers and was a servant to the family of Mother, Father & Sons of which one of the sons put her in the family way, she was thrown out on the street disgraced !!! I can only tell it as it was told to us.
Thank you everyone for your very valuable help and info.
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This is only circumstantial evidence but there is a possible George Hallewell, a butcher from the Silkstone / Dodworth area:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZGR-SQV
(possibly George Hallewell who married Ellen Archer in 1870)
And going back further he appears to be the son of John Helliwell (and Ann) - who is also a butcher in HoylandSwaine so that would fit with family tales (there are two boys Henry and George as well as younger daughters) - Henry was born 1846 and George 1850
Phoebe appears to have been born 1950 going by Elizabeth's middle name plus the info on her first marriage certificate George Helliwell looks a likely suspect