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Title: ROUS sisters - BRIGHTON
Post by: Rous Hunter on Friday 11 January 19 15:12 GMT (UK)
Hi, I am new to the forum, so forgive any errors.
My mother was Margaret Olive Rous and lived in Brighton in the 1940's. She and her sisters, Jean, Nora, and Enid were locally well known for their dancing routines, at first in local pubs and then later danced for the troops. My father, Harold (Mike) Schaub was billeted in Brighton prior to D-Day and met my mother there. He was on leave to Canada following VE day, waiting to be sent to Japan when the war ended. He sent for my mother and they were married in Kitchener, Ontario in 1947. Her mother was Doreatha O'Conner, who is now buried in the Brighton cemetery. I am looking for any trace of them when in Brighton or any Canadian veterans who remember Mike Schaub.
Thanks
John 
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 11 January 19 17:10 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat

This is your mothers birth registration

Births September qtr 1922   
Margaret O Rous mmn  O'Connor Steyning    2b   419

Parents marriage

Marriages December qtr 1916   
Dorothea C O'Connor Brighton    2b   493      
William J Rous

Your grandmothers birth

Births September qtr 1887 
Dorothea Conchessa   O'Connor     Brighton    2b   203 A tree on Ancestry shows her parents as Thomas P O'Connor and Elizabeth A Smith. 

Dorothea died in 1956 in Sussex

Your mother was the youngest of the 4 children as her 3 sisters were born 1918/1919 and 1921

The only trace of the family you will find around that time online will be on the 1939 register which you will have to look up yourself as Rootschat does not allow info to be posted.  I can tell you that only Dorothea is shown as the girls were under 21 at that time

There may possibly be local newspaper items about the sisters dancing routines depending on how well known they were
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 11 January 19 17:22 GMT (UK)
Your grandfathers death

Deaths March qtr 1931 
William J Rous aged 56    Brighton    2b   465

So this is probably his birth

Births June qtr 1874   
William John Rous      Brighton    2b   241
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: Rous Hunter on Friday 11 January 19 17:46 GMT (UK)
Carole
Thank you so much for this information. Is there any confirmation of where Dorothea and William were born. I believe my grandmother Dorothea was from Irish descent, but not sure where in Ireland? My aunt Enid told me that her father, William used to be in the motorcycle business and the frequently went to the races on the Isle of Man.

I also believe my grandmother raised her three daughters on Dyke Road in Brighton. While in Brighton in the 90's I visited Enid at her residence at 29 Buckingham Place and she advised that my father Mike Schaub had been billeted around the corner on Bath Street. She also advised that the family "local" was a pub directly across the road from their Dyke Road residence. I looked it up and it is now called the "Good Companion Pub".

Thank you again for your information.
Best regards
John
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 11 January 19 17:51 GMT (UK)
Hi

The birth registrations shown above for both William & Dorothea show they were both born in Sussex.  Just give me a few minutes and I will look them up on the censuses to get details of their respective parents birthplaces
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 11 January 19 17:52 GMT (UK)
This is probably Harold Michael Schaub 1922 - 1965 and Margaret 1922 - 1986 both buried - Riverside Cemetery (Section: West), Waterloo County, Ontario.

http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/856621

Have you applied for his WW2 service record ? This might be more specific on where he was in the UK

Second World War service files - Military service files contain documents relating to:

enlistment
military units with which they served (Canadian Army)
names of ships on which they served (Royal Canadian Navy)
squadrons with which they served (Royal Canadian Air Force)
medical records and dental charts
evaluation reports - medal entitlements - discharge or death

For individuals deceased more than 20 years: Personal information will be released on an individual deceased for more than 20 years if proof of death is provided.

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/Generics/atip/Documents/15-249l_EN_Request_for_Military_Service_Files.pdf

Sandra
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 11 January 19 17:56 GMT (UK)
1891 census for Sussex - all children born Brighton

Thomas P O'Connor    53 shoemaker born Ireland
Elizabeth 46 b Shennington Oxfordshire
Monica 13
Theresa  12
Norah 11
Winifred  9
Dorothea  3
Gertrude  2
RG12 Piece 803 Folio 52 Page 13
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 11 January 19 18:12 GMT (UK)
1881 for William - census entry has William & Walter mixed up but this is how it should read

All b Brighton except father William

William J. Rous    38 hotel waiter b Paddington Middlesex
Jane 36
William J  7
Walter G 5
Lillian A 
RG11 Piece 1088 Folio 114 Page 13

1891 entry - all b Brighton

William J Rous    48 Inn waiter at carvery b Marylebone
Jane  47
William   16 clerk to tax collector
Walter G   14 clerk to auction agent
Lilian A  10
Arthur  6
Louisa Earle 39 widow - boarder
Albert Earle    2mths
RG12 Piece 811 Folio 63 Page 14
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 11 January 19 18:18 GMT (UK)
Children's births show mmn as Taylor

Marriages December qtr 1867   
ROUS    William John     Brighton    2b   412    
TAYLOR    Jane        
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 11 January 19 18:19 GMT (UK)

Arthur Rous - born Brighton (son of William and Jessie)
Death British Expeditionary Force 03/04/1918
Military - Brighton - Theatre of War- Western European Theatre.

Lance Corporal G8342 9th Battalion Royal Sussex Regiment - 24 th Division. Killed in action 3 rd April 1918 - Aged 33 years - son of William and Jessie Rous of Brighton - Commercial Clerk  - Born and enlisted in Brighton - Included on brighton War memorial commemorated on the Pozieres Memorial -

http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Sussex/Hove-R-T.html

Sandra
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 11 January 19 18:22 GMT (UK)
In 1871 - William & Jane had a daughter Jane born December qtr 1868.  Jane died September qtr 1872 aged 4
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 11 January 19 18:25 GMT (UK)

Daughter Lillian Agnes Rous married Samuel Thomas Scott - Q3 1906 Brighton - 2b 503

Lillian A Scott passed away March 1946 - Christchurch Hampshire - 2b 1234

Samuel T Scott - 2 march 1868 passed away June 1945 - Brighton Sussex - aged 77 years - 2b 236

from the free index -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7BB-1ZM

Sandra
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 11 January 19 18:29 GMT (UK)
William John Rous was baptised 23.4.1843 at St Mary Bryanston Sq Westminster.  Parents William (occ servant) & Eliza.

Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 11 January 19 18:35 GMT (UK)

Daughter Lillian Agnes Rous married Samuel Thomas Scott - Q3 1906 Brighton - 2b 503

Lillian A Scott passed away March 1946 - Christchurch Hampshire - 2b 1234

Samuel T Scott - 2 march 1868 passed away June 1945 - Brighton Sussex - aged 77 years - 2b 236

from the free index -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7BB-1ZM

Sandra

Samuel had been married previously - a son mentioned on that census Cecil Samuel Scott born November 2, 1893 - appears on the Canadian Virtual War Memorial.

Canadian Infantry (Western Ontario Regiment) - Division: 1st Bn. -
Army 407131 -


VIMY MEMORIAL  - Pas de Calais, France

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/memorials/canadian-virtual-war-memorial/detail/1575522?Cecil%20Samuel%20Scott

FIND A GRAVE


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/56683354

Canadian Attestation Papers -

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=217910

Sandra
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 11 January 19 18:39 GMT (UK)
Looking at the O'Connor childrens birth registrations - Elizabeth's maiden name was Smith but the only marriage I can find is this one but it was in Leicester and no middle names shown??

Marriages December qtr  1876   

O'CONNOR    Thomas         Leicester    7a   552     Scan available - click to view
Smith    Elizabeth         Leicester    7a   552

1881 for Brighton - children all b Brighton

Thomas P. O'Connor    43 b Tipperary - shoemaker
Elizabeth A. O'connor 37 b Shenington Oxfordshire
Monica K.      3
Norah M.  2
Teresa E.  1
RG11 Piece 1077 Folio 74 Page 29


Deaths September qtr 1893   
Thomas Patrick   O'Connor aged  55    Brighton    2b   123
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 11 January 19 19:17 GMT (UK)

United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Membership Registers, 1751-1921 - William John Rous - born 1874 - Initiation Date   6 Dec 1917 - Profession Secretary - Burrell Lodge Brighton. Lodge Number 1829

===============================================================

William John Rous - 1874 aged 44 years - Regiment Name Royal Army Medical Corps - Regimental Number 153313 - Residence Place 37 West Hill Rd Brighton - married - accountant -
this record gave a change of address from 37 West Hill Road brighton to 60 Buckingham Place Brighton.
Enlisted since 18 April 1918 after having attained the age of 40  Not to be placed i n a medical category higher than at any time during his service -

marriage to Dorothea O'Connor was given earlier.

Sandra
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 11 January 19 19:23 GMT (UK)

Probate William John Rous - passed away 21 March 1931 - probate 28 April 1931

Sandra

Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 11 January 19 19:26 GMT (UK)
Brilliant finds Sandra - see probate was to Dorothea Conchessa - widow.  Children were still very young when he died 

Here's the 1901 - all b Brighton bar the 2 mentioned

William John Rous    57 b London - waiter
Jane  56
William John  26 commercial clerk
Walter George  24 waiter
Lillian Agnes 20
Arthur  16 commercial clerk
Bessy Taylor    49 sister in law
Annie Bundock    43 visitor b London
RG13 Piece 929 Folio 87 Page 9
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 11 January 19 19:30 GMT (UK)
Following your lead CaroleW - excellent info  ;)

Walter George Rous never married - born 1876 passed away Dec 1957 Cuckfield Sussex - 5h 225

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVC8-9KYY

Sandra
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 11 January 19 20:52 GMT (UK)
Monica OConnor sister of Dorothea married George Edward Leavers - registered December 1897 - 2b 556 -

There is an ancestry tree which indicates Monica passed away in Perth Australia - 1947 -registration no 395

husband George Edward Leavers passed away 13 July 1929 - Perth Australia - Registration Numbe 1194

A daughter Monica Gwendoline - born 1899 brighton Sussex - married 1918 under Gwendoline M L Leavers 
Registration Number 295
spouse - George Ralph Hathway 1886–1954
born 20 February 1886 - Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England passed away 1954 - Perth, Western Australia.
Monica passed away 1987 (no source)

Barbara Leavers - born 1901 Brighton - married 1926 Perth Australia - Registration Number 1490
spouse J R Smith

John Edward "Jack" Leavers - born 1907 Brighton -

Sandra
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 11 January 19 20:56 GMT (UK)


Norah OConnor sister of Dorothy married Q1 - 1912 - Kingston Surrey - 2a 603 - spouse - Johannes C T Uphof.

Sandra
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 11 January 19 21:02 GMT (UK)

Norah is listed on the USA - SSDI - Norah Uphof -   10 January 1879 - passed away October 1976 -
Caldwell, 07006, Essex, New Jersey.  SSN issued Florida - 1966.

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, Mother Norah M Ocannor (as transcribed) Father Johannes C Uphof - Daughter Bernice Winifred Uphof born 1 July 1917 St Louis, Missouri - pased away February 1990
Mar 1937: Name listed as Bernice Winnifred Uphof -Jun 1942 Name listed as Bernice Uphof Oliver  21 Feb 1990 Name listed as Bernice U Oliver.

SSDI - 1 July 1917 - February 1990 - Last residence/Benefit 07006, Caldwell, Essex, New Jersey.

Bernice married 6 Jun 1942 - District of Columbia - Harold Weeks Oliver.

Sandra
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 11 January 19 21:09 GMT (UK)

1930 census Winter Garden Road Orlando Orange Florida.

Johannes C T Uphof 43
Nora M Uphof   46
Bernice W Uphof 12

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SY56-RMM

1940 census 27 Street Washington, District of Columbia, District of Columbia.

May Keach   46 Kate Davis   76 Ernest F Hells 47 Billie D Hells 45
Bernice W Uphof 22 Lodger - Book-keeper
Alliston D Walker 53 T C A E Atkinson 28 Alma S Lawson 25
Helen L Hughes   26 Guy Davis   49

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K7SP-KH7

Sandra
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 11 January 19 21:14 GMT (UK)


1940 census Winter Garden Road Orange, Florida.

Theodoras Johannas Coveados Uphoff   52 born Holland. Professor. College.
Nora Margarete Uphoff 57 born England. Having First papers.

SSDI -    J. Uphof 11 June 1886 passed away October 1969
Last Residence 33609 Tampa, Hillsborough, Florida.
SSN issued District of Columbia (Before 1951)

Sandra
Title: Re: ROUS sisters - BRIGHTON
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 11 January 19 22:15 GMT (UK)
You are well and truly “on a roll”. No way I can match that  ;D
Title: Re: ROUS sisters - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 11 January 19 23:51 GMT (UK)
You are well and truly “on a roll”. No way I can match that  ;D

Lol.

Norah OConnor's husband was Professor Johannes C T Uphof.  Probably loads of newspaper articles but these are a few.

Arizona Daily Star  (Tucson, Arizona) 22 Aug 1913, Fri  - Page 8

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27109237/professor_j_c_uphof/

Orlando Evening Star  (Orlando, Florida) 24 May 1929, Fri  - Page 13

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27109396/prof_j_c_uphof/

Asheville Citizen-Times  (Asheville, North Carolina) 16 Jun 1935, Sun  - Page 3  (in 3 clips)

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27109483/dr_j_c_uphof/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27109528/dr_j_c_uphof_2/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27109581/dr_j_c_uphof_3/

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n8o/

https://www.nal.usda.gov/exhibits/speccoll/items/show/11985?sort_field=added&sort_dir=d

Sandra

Title: Re: ROUS sisters - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 12 January 19 00:16 GMT (UK)
New York Passenger List - Winifred Fenioula Oconnor (as transcribed) born 1881 Brighton - Southampton to New York on the Oceanic arriving 20 November 1912 - single - dressmaker - last permanent address Teddington -
going to E. Lancing Michigan. sister Mrs J C Uphof 282 Park Street East Lancing Michigan.

Sandra
Title: Re: ROUS SISTERS - BRIGHTON
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 12 January 19 15:08 GMT (UK)
Monica OConnor sister of Dorothea married George Edward Leavers - registered December 1897 - 2b 556 -

There is an ancestry tree which indicates Monica passed away in Perth Australia - 1947 -registration no 395

husband George Edward Leavers passed away 13 July 1929 - Perth Australia - Registration Numbe 1194

A daughter Monica Gwendoline - born 1899 brighton Sussex - married 1918 under Gwendoline M L Leavers 
Registration Number 295
spouse - George Ralph Hathway 1886–1954
born 20 February 1886 - Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England passed away 1954 - Perth, Western Australia.
Monica passed away 1987 (no source)

Barbara Leavers - born 1901 Brighton - married 1926 Perth Australia - Registration Number 1490
spouse J R Smith

John Edward "Jack" Leavers - born 1907 Brighton -

Sandra

Australia, World War II Military Service Records -  John Edward Leavers 6 July 1907  Brighton England.  Year Range 1939 - 1948 - Enlistment Place Bushmead Western Australia - Series Description B883 Army, 2nd Al F - Next of Kin Hazel  (other records shows her name as Hazel Mildred.)  Service Number WX32300

Sandra
Title: Re: ROUS sisters - BRIGHTON
Post by: PI4Charles on Wednesday 02 February 22 04:50 GMT (UK)
The information posted to this discussion has been very helpful!  How would I go about finding out about the father, William John Rous (1874-1931)?  I am trying to find a little more information on his death by, what I hear the story is, was an accident.  As well, what suggestions can you give as to where to look for his involvement in a motorcycle business in Brighton?  Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: ROUS sisters - BRIGHTON
Post by: PI4Charles on Sunday 06 March 22 16:46 GMT (UK)
Which newspaper would be the best to investigate the Rous family that resided in Brighton on Dyke Road?  Any other resources available that I can take a look at?  Suggestions are gratefully appreciated!