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Title: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism COMPLETED
Post by: Scrabble on Friday 11 January 19 20:42 GMT (UK)
Hi

Could I please have opinions on the wording of this 1570 Essex baptism? I am curious as to the words in the middle between the father's name and the baptism date. The date is 2nd Feb - could be a reference to the Presentation (Candlemas)? I still can't understand the actual words though.

Scrabble
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: goldie61 on Friday 11 January 19 20:54 GMT (UK)
I think it's more likely to say his occupation, followed by 'in', and then a place name.
Neither of which I can work out at the moment!  :)

Can you post a bigger piece from the page, so we can see more of his writing, and how the other baptisms are recorded.
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: goldie61 on Friday 11 January 19 20:58 GMT (UK)
I think the place name is 'Good Easter'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Easter
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: Scrabble on Friday 11 January 19 21:03 GMT (UK)
Yes I do think you are right that it is Good Easter
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: Scrabble on Friday 11 January 19 21:10 GMT (UK)
Here is a bit more of the page
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: goldie61 on Friday 11 January 19 21:24 GMT (UK)
Hmm.
The others in the clip don't have an occupation or place name.
You don't say which parish in Essex this is from.
Is it a different place to Good Easter? Perhaps that's why Thomas Lucking's parish is given.
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: Scrabble on Friday 11 January 19 21:46 GMT (UK)
It is from Margaret Roding. There has been a reference to someone being from "Good Ester" (not same surname), also single references to "High Ester" and "Hartford". No occupations except "Clerke & Parson of this church" and Gent.

I agree that the second half is "Good Ester". The first half looks like "Games in" but I can make no sense of "Games in Good Ester". Maybe I need to go away and come back to it later.

Many thanks for your help.

Scrabble
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: horselydown86 on Saturday 12 January 19 04:54 GMT (UK)
I am fairly sure that the surname is:  Luckin

The apparent character at the end of the line is the word of, but partly lost in the binding.

There are a few examples of g in the second image, showing the characteristic C16th flat top and a shorter curved tail.  In contrast the f has a long straight tail.

Look at Sabyn Wood's entry.  Cut the word of with a vertical line just to the right of the o.  The left part is just like the last character of the Luckin entry.

The troublesome word should be a place name within Good Easter (as you have identified).

It could be Games, Gaines or something similar.
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: Scrabble on Saturday 12 January 19 09:09 GMT (UK)
Thank you Horsleydown86. I initially thought the surname was spelled Lucking but I can see that you are right that it is Luckin followed by "of".

I have slept on it and come to the conclusion that Games, or possibly Gaines although no sign of a dot over an i, must be the name of William Luckin's house or farm in Good Easter. Maybe I will find more entries that will clarify this.

Thank you both for your help.

Scrabble
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: Raybistre on Saturday 12 January 19 09:25 GMT (UK)
Games is to the north west of Good Easter see attachment
Ray
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: goldie61 on Saturday 12 January 19 09:27 GMT (UK)

I have slept on it and come to the conclusion that Games, or possibly Gaines although no sign of a dot over an i, must be the name of William Luckin's house or farm in Good Easter. Maybe I will find more entries that will clarify this.


That sounds the most likely explanation Scrabble
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: goldie61 on Saturday 12 January 19 09:28 GMT (UK)
Ah ha! well found Ray.  :)
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: Scrabble on Saturday 12 January 19 09:39 GMT (UK)
Fantastic! Thank you Ray. I had looked on the web but found nothing useful.

Scrabble
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 12 January 19 09:55 GMT (UK)
The date is actually 7th ('seaventh') February, not 2nd.
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: Raybistre on Saturday 12 January 19 13:23 GMT (UK)
If you go on Google maps - street view. The Farm has a name plate. Games Farm. Wonder if the present house incorporates any of the 16th century building.
Ray
Title: Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 12 January 19 13:55 GMT (UK)
It's a listed building, and the description suggests that it dates back to the 16th century, or possibly earlier:

https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101112526-games-farmhouse-high-easter