RootsChat.Com
Research in Other Countries => Immigrants & Emigrants - General => Topic started by: belfordian on Saturday 12 January 19 20:55 GMT (UK)
-
I have been searching for the sister of my great grandmother without success. She was Isabella Redpath born 1837 Kirknewton who married John Donkin in 1869 They had 2 sons John 1869 and James 1870 and ran a small farm at HETTON near Chatton, Northumberland. Isabella,s mother,s death was registered by John senior in 1877 after which they disappear from all records including 1881 census.
They may have emigrated but to where?
Were there schemes or agents touting for business in the area around Chatton and Lowick around that time?
Which countries were most common for North Northumbrians to emigrate to? Passenger records tend to start a few years later.
Does anyone have ancestors who emigrated about this time from the same area?
Any suggestions, advice will be welcome. There are other couples with same names and ages in the county at this time But I have eliminated them. There is even a couple who emigrated to USA but other details did not match. I am beginning to despair of finding them!
-
Have you tried Australia? Most of mine emigrated in the 1880s from various parts if the country. I’m not sure which passenger records you are refering to when you say they started a few years later. :-\
There were schemes to attract workers with various skills to fill vacancies in the colony, but many families were not necessarily part of organised mass immigration and travelled solo. I believe ads were taken newspapers looking for people with specific skills or talents. Some people paid their own fares and others were assisted by the government. Others will be able to give more detail about this, or you could try googling. ;)
To search for arrivals in Australia you need to look individually at the records held by each State.
Presumably you have checked for deaths in Northumberland, or checked to see if they moved away from the area or county?
-
My grandfather's brother went to the Cape Colony, South Africa late 1870s and I was lucky enough to find his death notice. I've looked for your names but nothing comes up, although there were plenty of Donkin families listed. These don't record passenger arrivals, just legal matters, such as death, land, court cases, etc.
http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl
-
Here's the RChat Resources page for Australia, and the sub-boards for each state/territory
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/
So for immigration in the 1870s, 1880s, you are seeking the passenger lists for :
New South Wales, https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.0
Tasmania, https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369953.0
Western Australia, https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369921.0
South Australia, https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=280572.0
Victoria, https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369963.0
Queensland https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369972.0
Here's the RChat Resources page for New Zealand
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/new-zealand-resources-offers/ ... see https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=493441.0
ADD
While most family history buffs well recognise that information on death certificates is often unreliable/confusing/mis-leading, there can be benefits from seeking out some of the d.c. information for a number of those former colonies, as one of the responses recorded on many of the d.c.s is 'how long in the colony/state'. For example, that question has been included on NSW death certificates from the commencement of civil registration (1 March 1856) and continues to be asked even to this century.
JM
-
And :)
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/England_Emigration_and_Immigration
https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/finding-ship-and-passenger-records
http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/passenger-lists.html
Fingers crossed these will be helpful
JM
-
The GRO marriages for 1869 has Isabella Redpath m John DUNCAN at Glendale 10b 541.
shume
-
I think this is parents William and Elizabeth so not your couple......
GRO births with mmn REDPATH
DONKIN, William John REDPATH
1870 D Quarter Newcastle upon Tyne Vol 10B Pg 127
DONKIN, Ralph REDPATH
1873 J Quarter Newcastle upon Tyne Vol 10B Pg 135
DONKIN, Jonathan REDPATH
1876 M Quarter Newcastle upon Tyne Vol 10B Pg 146
DONKIN, Sarah Ann REDPATH
1878 J Quarter Newcastle upon Tyne Vol 10B Pg 119
What do you know about your John DONKIN.........age, birthplace, occupation, parents' names?
-
GRO births with REDPATH mother
DUNCAN, John
1869 D Quarter Glendale Vol 10B Pg 345
Where are you seeing this -
"...They had 2 sons John 1869 and James 1870 and ran a small farm at HETTON near Chatton, Northumberland".
-
The GRO marriages for 1869 has Isabella Redpath m John DUNCAN at Glendale 10b 541.
shume
John's birth (ref GRO search) registered with surname DUNCAN MMN Redpath
James birth registered with surname DUNKIN Q4 1870 MMN Redpath
Boo
-
Where are you seeing this -
"...They had 2 sons John 1869 and James 1870 and ran a small farm at HETTON near Chatton, Northumberland".
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V51M-KW1
Boo
-
@ Belfordian, around 1870, Bell & Co on the Clyde developed refrigerated shipping. So-called "Reefer Ships" imported frozen beef & mutton from Oz & NZ. Despite teething troubles this meat flooded the market & sheep were taken off many Highland estates in Scotland to be replaced by more profitable deerstalking. Could explain the exodus of shepherds!
Skoosh.
-
Thank you to everyone for their suggestions. The reason I asked about schemes for recruiting would be emigrants is that I had exhausted all other sources! It is not helped by the surname appearing in documentation as Donkin, Dunkin and Duncan! I have started looking at the lists in the different states of Australia. I had not realised there was no central index. Perhaps I will be lucky! I have found them on every census from 1841 to 1871 and John Donkin is recorded as informant on the death cert of his mother in law in 1877. After that they disappear, can,t find deaths and one of the family appears on the census so it seemed reasonable to assume that after the mother died the family decided to move elsewhere.
Thanks again, everyone.
-
Morning, I have family, recruited by a crown agent, from Rothbury area NBL coming to work in South Africa on the Natal Government Railways in 1885. I understand that workers with certain skills were targeted, transport costs paid. My ggrandfather worked out his time, changed jobs on the railways and never went back, according to the research I managed to find, many did not return to UK. Had a quick look at FS in South Africa - Duncan popular surname, also some Donkin's - perhaps worth a look?
Regards
Catherine
-
I had not thought of South Africa. Thanks for the suggestion; I will get searching there!
Belfordian
-
Argentina & Chile also received shepherds from the UK.
Skoosh.
-
Thanks, didn,t know that. Wow the net is widening........will I ever find them?
Belfordian
-
Some light reading Belfordian! ;D
https://www.electricscotland.com/history/argentina/patchap1.htm
Skoosh.
-
Skoosh
This looks fascinating!
Belfordian