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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Cienna on Monday 14 January 19 02:56 GMT (UK)
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John DUNN was born 1862....Bordeaux, Gironde, Aquitaine, France, father John, mother unknown.
Surname could also have the spelling of.....DUNET, DUNNET or DU-NAY.
also looking for siblings if possible.
Than you in advance.
Cienna.
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I found a Marie DENEY with a father Jean (John).
Maybe John was not born in 1862 . I'l try to find a Jean DENEY with a father Jean around 1862 .
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Thank you joger,
I do have here that John's (1862) father was Jean.......John's age at the time of his death was given at 72, he died in Australia.......could this Marie be a sister? he did have 6 children and they were all born in Australia.
I would appreciate anything you may be able to find.
Kind Regards
Cienna
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Died 1934 ?
I'll search a few years before and a few after 1872 , in Bordeaux and let you know.
Added : after 1862, not 1872
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Yes, he did die in 1934, thank you joger for your help, hopefully there will be siblings or even his mother's name to help me on my way......appreciate your help.
Kind Regards
Cienna
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make a note - looks like a different Jean - this ones father is Thomas - mother is Jeanne Sephin - I am posting so you don't get him confused with YOUR Jean - BUT - your info saying Jean as father ?? I wonder if it Jeanne as mother - is it written in French ?...where did you get info father was Jean ?? this Jean born 26th Aug 1862 Gironde - registered next day 27th
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Jean Deney -Born 26 August 1862 - Saint-Macaire, 33490, Gironde, Aquitaine, FRANCE
33 Mairie de ST Macaire Reg. Nais. de 1862
Année 1862 n° 38 déclarée le 27/08
Photo Merle18620826an-nbre1
Nais; Jean DENEY
fils de Thomas DENEY tonnelier agé de 31 ans et de Jeanne SEPHIN sp 31 ans hbt St Macaire
présents:
Jean DUCOUYTES concierge 63ans
Jean PERROT coiffeur 53 ans
Réquisition du père
Signatures les 3
.............can anyone tell me what Thomas occupation as Tonneller was ? out of curiosity :)
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https://gw.geneanet.org/33160gde?n=deney&oc=3&p=jean
tree owner may be able to advise ?
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tonnelier = cooper
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Wow!!! Thank you all so much, I never really expected to get any info about this family, how clever you all are,
The only info I had on John and who I thought was his father was given to me on a sheet a paper so there wasn't much to go on....will contact the owner of the tree, thank you all again...
Kind Regards
Cienna
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http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/carte/francecom.cgi?numero=0314769&periode=1&dept=33
the places where the name DENEY was most often found between 1891 and 1815.
The South West of France (Gironde ) seems to be sure.
Are you sure he was born in Bordeaux (or surroundings) or could it mean "came from" Bordeaux ?
Have you searched the passengers lists etc... in the australian archives?
I go on searching the archives of Bordeaux , found a Marguerite Deney , born in 1854 , father Jean, different mother from Marie's.
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Did he marry in Australia? Marriages are often more informative and accurate than death records, and depending on where in Australia may give names for both parents and other useful information.
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Thank you both for your replies....
John DUNN (DENEY) born 1862 in Bordeaux, Gironde, Aquitaine, France, this is what is written on the sheet of paper I was given with father Jean.....John DUNN married in Adelaide, South Australia, August 13, 1883...this is all I have to go on, it's proving to be very difficult to find more on his family.
The family I am helping have nothing else, and they say it's all a mystery to them.
Regards
Cienna
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John DUNN (DENEY) born 1862 in Bordeaux, Gironde, Aquitaine, France, this is what is written on the sheet of paper I was given with father Jean.....John DUNN married in Adelaide, South Australia, August 13, 1883
Is it written on your paper that he was DENEY?
I see he was 21 when he married in Australia.Could it be his parents who emigrated with him, or did he emigrate alone?
The name DENEY seems to me the most probable name (transformed in DUNN) in the decennal tables of Bordeaux at that time , but it is not certain for the moment.
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Written on the sheet of paper....John DUNN born 1862 Bordeaux, Gironde, Aquitaine, France, variations of the surname are.......DUNET, DU-NAY, DUNNET or DENEY.......not sure which one it may be but family feel it may be DENEY....
Not known if his parents came to Australia with him, no one knows anymore than what they have.
Thank you joger for all the time you are putting into this.....very much appreciated.
Cheers
Cienna.
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https://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
Okay so he was Dunne at marriage. Unfortunately South Australia records have less details than some others but it would be good to know exactly what
Where/when did he pass away?
You might be able to find his immigration here:
https://archives.sa.gov.au/content/index-official-assisted-passenger-lists
There are a few John Dunn entries but I don't see any Deney
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Thank you jorose for the links, John DUNN.....came down as DUNN, family are under the impression he changed his name when he left France.
He married Fanny Vivian LYALL...13 Aug 1883, in Adelaide, South Australia.
Would like to find more on Joh's ancestors but I think it's going to be a chore......thank you again.
Regards
Cienna.
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Well, I see no marriage John DUNN or DUNNE and Fanny LYALL at all . What have I done wrong?
Changing his name before leaving France seems unprobable to me , but I may be wrong.
By the way , I found no DUNN (nor DUNNE) in the birth registers of Bordeaux between 1852 and 1872 ( I thought it was a possibility that his name was already DUNN before he left France , as there are quite a few British names in this area)
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I think you need to concentrate on SA for leads before looking further afield. What is on this birth certificate?
SA BDM birth
1884 DUNN John George Micheal parents John DUNN / Fanny Helene LYALL
Norwood 327/344
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I thought he was the man who married Julia Byrnes in Adelaide in 1883... can't see a marriage to Fanny Lyall...
It seems we aren't alone in failing to find a marriage!
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/201411767?searchTerm=%22John%20George%20Michael%20Dunn%22
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230186824?searchTerm=%22John%20George%20Michael%20Dunn%22
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17236004?searchTerm="Lyall%20Dunn"
His children vs. his second wife Ruby in court over his will - seems like Ruby got most of it and part of her case was that the first marriage couldn't be found. The mother (Fanny / Fannie) died in 1896 and he married his second wife in 1919.
John Dunn m. Ruby Powell in 1919, NSW - might be worth seeing what this marriage reveals!
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Thank you all for your replies.....I have now been told John DUNN's real name was DUNNEY and not
DUNET, DU-NAY, DUNNET or DENEY like the family first thought.....seems to me I am chasing a dead end.
Cheers
Cienna
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Ancestry Anglican Parishes Sydney
Baptism Holy Trinity Erskineville
DUNN Gladys Christabel parents John DUNN, tea dealer, Erskineville (Rd?) and Fanny
b. 8 Dec 1889 bapt. 26 Feb 1890
Baptism Holy Trinity Macdonaldtown
DUNN Hazel Zeneith parents John DUNN, tea merchant, Erskineville Rd and Vivian Fanny
b. 23 Aug 1891 bapt. 23 Sep 1891
Church of St David Surry Hills Nov 18 1908
GATES Thomas bachelor born NSW 21 years old Dentist res. 84 Telopea St Redfern
parents John Thomas GATES, clerk, Mary Ann LYONS
DUNN Gladys Christobel born Macdonaldtown NSW 18 years waitress res. 84 Telopea St Redfern
parents John DUNN tobacconist Fanny LYALL (dec)
Witnesses Adoisea (?) DUNN and Jim EDWARDS
St Michaels Church Flinders Street Surry Hills 25 Jun 1923
DUNN Herbert bachelor born Erskineville NSW
Vaudeville artist 35 years res. Riverina Flats Palmer Street Darlinghurst
Father John DUNN, bookmaker Fanny Lyall (dec)
BERTHOLD Anna Maria spinster born Paris France
Vaudeville artist 34 years res. Palmer Street Darlinghurst
Father Joseph BERTHOLD (dec) musician Fredericka SCHMIDT (dec)
Witnesses Charles LOWDEN Mattie E LOWDEN
BDM NSW birth
9645/1888 DUNN Hubert R parents John / Fannie V @ Newtown
24974/1890 DUNN GLADYS C parents John / Fannie @ Newtown
26118/1891 DUNN Hazel Z parents John / Vivien F @ Erskineville
BDM NSW death
10806/1893 DUNN Hazel Z parents John / Fanny @ Newtown
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Wow, what a great source of info, thank you so much wivenhoe, this is really going to help me....all I need now is the family in France..... I know now I should have been searching for John DUNNEY and not the other names he was supposed to have...maybe I won't find anything....especially now I have been told his mother was Mauritian Creole (Africa or Indian) not sure if his parents were married or he was the result of an affair.....will keep searching...
Thank you again.
Regards
Cienna.
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I 've read for the third time the tables of Bordeaux from 1/01/1852 to 31/12/1872, absolutely no DUNNEY at all. He was not born in Bordeaux.
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Thank you joger, for trying to help and all the time you have put into it......the family are still saying he was born in Bordeaux, I have let them know there is nothing to be found on him, I think now I will end the search on him....thank you again.
Kind Regards
Cienna.
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https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17236004?searchTerm
Indeed , it is written in this article, which does not mean it is true.
In this article the year of his death is written 1984 (you know it is not true , since he died in 1934)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/201411767?searchTerm=%22John%20George%20Michael%20Dunn%22
He may have come from the surroundings of Bordeaux , or may have been born anywhere else in France and took a boat in the port of Bordeaux , or may have already been John DUNN (there are several John DUNN in the official list of passagers who emigrated to Australia).
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Thank you joger, I have made a note of the articles and will show the families of John DUNN...
Regards
Cienna
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The second marriage to Ruby in 1919 in NSW may have a more exact birthplace / parents names, it is the only document I can think of that is likely to give you more useful information at this point.
Of course, he could have been born in France to British parents and "Dunn" is the original name.
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Thank you jorose, yes he did marry Ruby and then he married for a third time to Adroisca Theresa D'ANGLADE, the family I am helping don't want to spend money on certificates even though I have told them it may help where he was born......so they are staying with the fact he was born in France.
Cienna.