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Title: Where is this?
Post by: iksrognas on Wednesday 16 January 19 11:47 GMT (UK)
Please can anyone help to identify this building. The photo was taken by photographers in Stoke Newington, so presumably it's in London - is it a workhouse or similar? And would it be late nineteenth century? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: groom on Wednesday 16 January 19 12:15 GMT (UK)
Any chance of zooming in on the statue as there is writing on the plinth I think?

Looks more like a girls' school than a workhouse. There was a Quaker school in the area, but I can't find any pictures of it to compare.

ADDED: Daniel Defoe lived in Stoke Newington, could the statue be him?
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: arthurk on Wednesday 16 January 19 13:37 GMT (UK)
The children all seem to be girls, but were there girls' schools on such a scale in those days?

I'd wondered about an orphanage - single-sex, or girls' wing? The portico is fairly similar to the one that survives from the London Orphan Asylum in Clapton. There are plenty of pictures online of this (view from the west), and it now forms part of the Clapton Girls' Academy.

Old maps seem to show what might be a similar portico on the other side of the building, facing Almack Road, but this no longer exists; I'm wondering if this could be what's in our photo, but I haven't found any pictures of that side.
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: a-l on Wednesday 16 January 19 14:24 GMT (UK)
It does look like an orphanage or maybe training school for girls .
I agree with groom , a close up of the statue could be a great help.
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: iksrognas on Wednesday 16 January 19 14:49 GMT (UK)
Thank you all for your thoughts. Here's as good a photo as I can make of the statue plinth, the original is a rather faded sepia 12" x 8" print, the photographers were Johnston & Co.
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: Annie65115 on Wednesday 16 January 19 15:24 GMT (UK)
It's a statue of Robert Aske, who founded the Haberdasher Aske schools, so this must be one of the schools. There is one in Hatcham but not in this building now!
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: Annie65115 on Wednesday 16 January 19 15:29 GMT (UK)
Here's an old engraving - it doesn't have the rounded windows (?) in the roof but matches otherwise, right down to the statue on the lawn in front!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haberdashers%27_Aske%27s_Boys%27_School#/media/File:Haberdashershoxton.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haberdashers%27_Aske%27s_Boys%27_School#/media/File:Haberdashershoxton.jpg)

I can't find a picture to match the one above though, and googling Aske's hospital hasn't otherwise helped.
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: josey on Wednesday 16 January 19 15:33 GMT (UK)
Brilliant, Annie65115; the power of rootschat!! It may be that the windows in roof were put in later.
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: JenB on Wednesday 16 January 19 15:35 GMT (UK)
There is a history of the various school buildings here https://www.haaf.org.uk/Our-History-Fed
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: Little Nell on Wednesday 16 January 19 15:38 GMT (UK)
Here's a picture (scroll down a bit), same angle, but it seems to have boys milling about the playground:

https://www.habsboys.org.uk/Main-School-History-of-Habs-Boys

Nell
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: Annie65115 on Wednesday 16 January 19 15:39 GMT (UK)
The statue is now in the grounds of the boy's school on Pepys Road, New Cross (London), but the buildings don't match the picture. I wonder if the statue was moved and if the picture shows the original site.
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 16 January 19 15:41 GMT (UK)
Is this it?

http://www.londongardenstrust.org/guides/site.php?tour=Shoreditch&stage=16.00
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 16 January 19 15:45 GMT (UK)
It's a statue of Robert Aske, who founded the Haberdasher Aske schools, so this must be one of the schools. There is one in Hatcham but not in this building now!

Brilliant Annie...I'm sure it says Hatcham on it....first line of bold print about half way down.
Carol
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: Little Nell on Wednesday 16 January 19 15:46 GMT (UK)
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I wonder if the statue was moved and if the picture shows the original site.

Yes it is the original site - the picture that I linked to is on the school's website in the history section and the angle is almost exactly the same, includes the fence and similar shaped trees.  I think heywood has cracked the current view!  Looks like the trees have thrived  ;)

Nell
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Wednesday 16 January 19 16:03 GMT (UK)
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2171042

is the nearest i have found.

Malky
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: iksrognas on Wednesday 16 January 19 16:56 GMT (UK)
Thank you everyone, it has been a great help. It seems to be the Aske's Hospital in Pitfield Road Hoxton, c1880. The building is now some rather exclusive apartments with a small park. Many thanks to all for taking the time to reply.
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: arthurk on Wednesday 16 January 19 19:09 GMT (UK)
Great find, Annie.
Title: Re: Where is this?
Post by: Annie65115 on Wednesday 16 January 19 20:59 GMT (UK)
 ;D  ;D  ;D

I thInk it’s the first time I’ve been able to get an ID on a building!