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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Quinco on Wednesday 16 January 19 16:18 GMT (UK)
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In 1924 my great gran Mary Kelly traveled to New York to deliver one of her son Davids children. I was told she may have died on the return journey. I have not been able to find her return to Scotland.If she did die onboard the ship where would her death be recorded.
Ship Tuscania sailed from Glasgow to Halifax & New York 17 May 1924
all help welcome
Kenny
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Did she pass away on outward or inward journey - ?? (Can't see anything written on the manifest)
Different entry - same person - There was this lady listed as well with a husband James Kelly ?
New York Passenger List - Mary Kelly born 1869 - Brexburn Scotland - aged 55 years - Glasgow to New York on the Tuscania - deaprting 17 May 1924 arriving 26 May 1924 - husband James Kelly - 9 Bridgend Chryston. Daughter Mrs Miriah Brenham - Shield Division CP Corporation - Fallore California.
Sandra
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Can see David and his wife Catherine in 1930 Manhattan New York - no sign of Mary Kelly
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X42R-C8H
1940 census East 90 Street New York
David Kelly 42 born Scotland.
Catherine Kelly 40 born Scotland.
Catherine Kelly 19
Mary Kelly 16
Patrick Kelly 14
Sarah Kelly 12
Margaret Kelly 10
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQSP-Z14
Sandra
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Have you followed the family of David Kelly ?
WW2 Draft - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTQZ-32R
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DHH4-76M?i=3821&cc=1861144
Sandra
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Patrick Joseph Kelly - son of David and Catherine - Patrick was a retired fire officer. Parents listed on death cert as David Kelly and Catherine Quinn.
FIND A GRAVE
17 November 1925 - 22 June 1989
Quantico National Cemetery Quantico, Prince William County, Virginia.
Plot 23, 0, 1726 MILITARY GMS, US Navy.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/867674
spouse Mary nee Callow Kelly - 1927 - 1993
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/867580/mary-ann-kelly
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Was dropping g wains off home ;D
I was told it was the inward journey. not sure if this did occur.
Mary,s husband was James and they did live in Bridgend Chryston
Daughter Maria(h) did marry a Brennan 1922. she was always called Mariah but thats the first i have seen it in b/w
So the three travelled to N Y. Now thats something i didnt know will have to pass that on. Great stuff Sandra Thankyou :)
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I only have GB& Ireland subs.I am in touch with a kelly on ancestry and have given a few hints for the Kelly Tree.
kenny
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If you send me a pm with your personal email address - I can send you a naturalization document that has a photograph of David Kelly.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra having trouble with messages have sent but not showing as sent. even though it said message sent successfully.
Kenny
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Yes, I got your two messages and have sent the document - have you checked your spam folder ?
Sandra
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Got them he looks like my father> Wow Thankyou very much Sandra ;D :-* :-*
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That's great - always nice to put a face to a name. ;)
David Kelly born 21 November 1896 passed away December 1972 - Last Residence
10028 New York, New York, New York. SSN issued New York - Before 1951
Sandra
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This looks to be Catherine nee Quinn Kelly
SSDI - Catherine Kelly - 23 January 1890 - - January 1982 - Last Residence:
11934 Center Moriches, Suffolk, New York. SSN issued New York - Before 1951
Sandra
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Yes thats correct different Quinns to my line but may connect further down the line. I cant wait to show my elder sister that pic she is 15 years my senior and remembers a lot about Bridgend Chryston Thanks again Sandra your a star.
Kenny
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Mary Kelly 1869 Scotland passed away 2 July 1924 - with obituary attched
burial - Union Cemetery Bakersfield, Kern County, California.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/25289284/mary-kelley
Sandra
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Marie Brennan born 1896 passed away 28 August 1924 - Kern County, California.
FIND A GRAVE - with an obituary attached.
burial - Union Cemetery Bakersfield, Kern County, California.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/25321297
husband Samuel Brennan - 27 May 1900 - 13 may 1947
burial - West Side District Cemetery Taft, Kern County, California.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/103411204
Sandra
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1930 census Bear Creek, Kern, California.
Charles Allan 38 born Northern Ireland 1892. Imm 1920. NA.
Mae Allan 34 born Scotland 1896.
Ella Allan 5
Kathy L Allan 2
Samuel Brannon 30 born Scotland. Brother-in-law. Imm 1923. Has first papers.
Mary Brannon 5
Bernard Rafferty 33 born Ireland Brother-in-law.
Sandra
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1940 Rt 1 196 Kern, California. Names a little twisted.
Allen Charles 52
May Charles 47
Ella Charles 15
Mary Brennan 15
Cathie Lou Brennan 12
Samuel Brennan 41
Sandra
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Sandra you are a Gem Thankyou very much for your time and hard work you are a godsend.
Kenny ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-*
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Mary Allen and her husband Charles Allan with a daughter Kathleen Lucy Allan (with photograph)
Sadly Charles and Mary were killed in a road accident :'(
FIND A GRAVE
Charles Allan 1888 - 1965 -
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/55485243/charles-allan
Mary nee Kelly Allan - not sure where they got the information on this
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/55485427/mary-allan
Kathleen Lucy Allan 1928 - 1945
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/81065614
Sandra
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So the three travelled to N Y. Now thats something i didnt know will have to pass that on. Great stuff Sandra Thankyou :)
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Just for clarity - Mary travelled alone. The shipping manifest mentions her husband as next of kin in Scotland and her daughter as the person to whom she was travelling in the US.
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The naturalization for David Kelly - 21 november 1896 - arrived New York for permanent residence 10 July 1924 - entered at Portland Maine 1 September 1923 on the Tuscania. Names the five children.
There are numerous immigration records for David and Catherine Kelly.
Sandra
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Sandra was Mary Kelly Alan daughter of David & Catherine Kelly? :)
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U.S., Atlantic Ports Passenger Lists, 1820-1873 and 1893-1959 for David Kelly - aged 26 years - married - miner - wife Mrs catherine Kelly Main Street Chryston - going to a friend Thomas B Murtagh - 431 East 82 rd Street New York - place of birth Standrigg. Arrived 1 November 1923 on the Tuscania.
Sandra
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Sandra was Mary Kelly Alan daughter of David & Catherine Kelly? :)
No I thought she was Davids sister Mary - got confused on the find a grave entry when they called
her Mary “Mae” Brennan Allan - daughter of James and Ellen Kinnear Brennan. I left that one for you to work out ;)
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
So the three travelled to N Y. Now thats something i didnt know will have to pass that on. Great stuff Sandra Thankyou :)
This was part of the quote in reply 20 Isobel was trying to correct -
The details of Mary Kelly trip on the Tuscania departing 17 May 1924 and arriving 26 May 1924 were in reply 1 -
Sandra
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New York Passenger List - Mary Kelly born 1869 - Brexburn Scotland - aged 55 years
That's probably Broxburn, West Lothian - parish of Uphall.
There's a Stanrigg in the parish of New Monkland in Lanarkshire, and a birth of a David Kelly was registered in New Monkland in 1896.
There's a Kelly family in New Monkland in 1901 consisting of James, 39; Mary, 32; Margaret, 12; Jane, 10; Michael, 8; Mary, 4; David, 4; Helen, 2; and Maria, 0. Are they yours?
If so, any one of their birth certificates will tell you Mary's maiden surname and where and when she and James Kelly were married.
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New York Passenger List - Mary Kelly born 1869 - Brexburn Scotland - aged 55 years
That's probably Broxburn, West Lothian - parish of Uphall.
There's a Stanrigg in the parish of New Monkland in Lanarkshire, and a birth of a David Kelly was registered in New Monkland in 1896.
There's a Kelly family in New Monkland in 1901 consisting of James, 39; Mary, 32; Margaret, 12; Jane, 10; Michael, 8; Mary, 4; David, 4; Helen, 2; and Maria, 0. Are they yours?
If so, any one of their birth certificates will tell you Mary's maiden surname and where and when she and James Kelly were married.
The marriage certificate for James Kelly and Mary McLeish is in reply 6 on the thread listed below
The marriage certificate for the parents of Mary - David Mcleish and Margaret is in reply 20 on the same thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=806630.18
The 1891 and 1901 census are in replies 11 ans 12 on that same thread.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=806630.18
Sandra
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Quinco did you notice that Mary daughter of David Kelly and Catherine Quinn was Mary Mcleish Kelly - just noticed a version of McLeish (Aflese) was written on the New York passenger List when Mary arrived with her mother Catherine Kelly aged 26 years and siblings Patrick aged 1 year and Catherine 6 years.
There was also a manifest marking 2- 1024721 - 15-1-1943 which was probably the date Mary was naturalized.
Sandra
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Yes Forfarian they are mine Jane Kelly was my Grand Mother Daughter of James Kelly & Mary Kelly MS McLeish. Thankyou
Kenny
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Sandra Just yesterday I sent for a birth cert for Mary Kelly McAleece 1923 Cadder Eastern Dist. :) :)
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The marriage certificate for James Kelly and Mary McLeish is in reply 6 on the thread listed below
The marriage certificate for the parents of Mary - David Mcleish and Margaret is in reply 20 on the same thread
The 1891 and 1901 census are in replies 11 ans 12 on that same thread.
Thanks, Sandra. <grumpy> I wish people wouldn't spawn multiple threads about the same families. Or at least that if they must do so, they refer to any previous ones </grumpy>.
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Probably my fault - I worked on the original so knew who exactly quinco was talking about - seemed a different enquiry so I never thought to link them for the poster.
Sandra
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Mary Allen and her husband Charles Allan with a daughter Kathleen Lucy Allan (with photograph)
Sadly Charles and Mary were killed in a road accident :'(
FIND A GRAVE
Charles Allan 1888 - 1965 -
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/55485243/charles-allan
Mary nee Kelly Allan - not sure where they got the information on this
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/55485427/mary-allan
Kathleen Lucy Allan 1928 - 1945
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/81065614
Sandra
So this Mary Brennan Allen was the sister of Samuel Brennan who was married to Mary Kelly ;)
Sandra
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Say no more Sandra ;) lol when you said Mary do mean Maria(h) Mary Kelly 1894-1971 m Daniel O'Conner Maria(h)- Samuel Brennan.
A pic of the Kelly Family attached.
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Think I was starting to lose the plot last night, with all the Mary, Mari(h) variations of name.
Sandra ;)
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Great photo............
Now if you could scan that photo they would do you a very good restore on the Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs board.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/free-photo-restoration/
Sandra
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Hi Mary oops sorry Sandra lol. Unfortunately I do not have the original and I have never seen it but may be able to borrow it for a quick scan. I would date the pic at 1904 & pre 1911. Maria youngest (B) 1902 Margaret the oldest (B) 1889 not in the household on the 1911 census. There is an extra male in the pic don't know who he is.
My G-Father John Quinn is living in the Kelly household. We all know what happend next ;) ;) ;D
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I can only see David and Michael who were on the 1901. ???
Sandra
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Yes think we have an incomer.
;D
Kenny
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Who ?
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Sandra, I don't know. No one in the family knows. My sister is the oldest family member alive an she doesn't Know. I thought it may have been David McAleece. but ages do not fit. :-\
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Which line are you talking about ?
Sandra
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Mary McLeish- James Kelly the eldest in the pic. Her brother 1891 census. It was just a thought. It may be Margarets son but I am just guessing. Prob will never know.
Kenny.
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I thought you meant someone on the census you posted !!
McAleese is not a very common name - wonder about this marriage entry
Davidf McAleese - O Rouke Catherine - 1904 - 651/ 221 - Airdrie or New Monkland ??? ???
Sandra
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Sandra, I will have a look at that but I will have to take in all the info you had given me yesterday. Whow yas pure brill.
Thanks again,
Kenny.
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Pleased to help out.
Regards
Sandra
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'yas pure brill' indeed, Sandra! That was great work there ;)
Monica
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Thank you Monica - blushing now................ :-*
Sandra Just yesterday I sent for a birth cert for Mary Kelly McAleece 1923 Cadder Eastern Dist. :) :)
When you receive the birth cert for Mary McAleese Kelly could you confirm the birth date for me. I have 15 April 1923 - just wondered if it was correct. ???
Sandra
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This is interesting - found a private ancestry tree with Sarah Kelly born 1928 daughter of David Kelly and Catherine Quinn. Married 1972. Passed away 2007 Greece. ??? ???
Do you want to send them a message ???
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
No cert in the post today maybe tomorrow if not Monday.
David Kelly & Catherine Quinn Had six kids James 1919-1921 Catherine 1921 Mary 1924-2000 Patrick 1926-1989 Sarah 1928 Margaret 1930-2017.
Will send pm
Kenny
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This isn't shown on thre ancestry tree you refer to
FIND A GRAVE
Mary Ann Kelly Baust - 15 April 1923 - 20 August 2000
Mount Pleasant Cemetery Center Moriches, Suffolk County, New York.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/172923642
Sandra
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No it's not Sandra,
Well done you ;D ;D :-*
Thanks
Kenny
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husband may have remarried - there is no date on the stone but there is this entry - Walter N Baust
SSDI - 8 Feb 1923 - 11 October 2011
Sandra
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Yes he did remarry with obituary attached.............
FIND A GRAVE
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167069561
Sandra
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U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index
Mary Ann Kelly Mary Kelly Baust Mary Baust
Born 15 Apr 1923 Glasgow Lana, United Kingdom (as transcribed) Death 20 Aug 2000
Father David Kelly Mother Catherine Quinn
Notes Jun 1941 Name listed as Mary Ann Kelly - Name listed as Mary Kelly Baust 30 Aug 2000: Name listed as Mary A Baust
Sandra
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What are you like Sandra that's fantastic or should I say your fantastic. Brill my tree is getting wider just like my smile.
Thankyou :D :D :D
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lol.....................
Obit for Walter Baust (with photograph)
https://www.currentobituary.com/obit/101213
Sandra
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Sarah Mcl Kelly - Birth Date: 16 Jan 1928 - Bronx, New York City.
Certificate Number: 1200
Birth date matches ????? Just making a note.
U.S., Social Security Death Index.
Sarah Galanakis - Last Residence: 10009 New York, New York, New York, Africa (as transcribed)
Born 18 Jan 1928 - Died 2 Jun 2011 - SSN issued New York (Before 1951)
Sandra
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This looks to be Catherine nee Quinn Kelly
SSDI - Catherine Kelly - 23 January 1890 - - January 1982 - Last Residence:
11934 Center Moriches, Suffolk, New York. SSN issued New York - Before 1951
Sandra
Sorry the birth date should read 23 January 1900 - passed away January 1982
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JB5Y-4TL
(Bear in mind that the date on the ancestry of the person you are in contact with is wrong saying 1978)
Sandra
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Sarah Mcl Kelly - Birth Date: 16 Jan 1928 - Bronx, New York City.
Certificate Number: 1200
Birth date matches ????? Just making a note.
U.S., Social Security Death Index.
Sarah Galanakis - Last Residence: 10009 New York, New York, New York, Africa (as transcribed)
Born 18 Jan 1928 - Died 2 Jun 2011 - SSN issued New York (Before 1951)
Sandra
Perhaps Sarah was married twice ???? Needs confirmation. :-\
This maybe her second marriage - (the second private ancestry tree quotes a marriage in 1972 ??)
Dimitrios Galanakis - Marriage License Date 1972
Marriage License Place Manhattan, New York City, New York.
Spouse Sarah Delaney
License Number 16195
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Quinco did you notice that Mary daughter of David Kelly and Catherine Quinn was Mary Mcleish Kelly - just noticed a version of McLeish (Aflese) was written on the New York passenger List when Mary arrived with her mother Catherine Kelly aged 26 years and siblings Patrick aged 1 year and Catherine 6 years.
There was also a manifest marking 2- 1024721 - 15-1-1943 which was probably the date Mary was naturalized.
Sandra,
Cert came this morning and guess what you are right. ;D ;D ;D
Had to crop it quite a bit.
Sandra