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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: garbage on Friday 18 January 19 02:06 GMT (UK)
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Need help working out the last name of Angelina ????
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Could not open your question. If Angelina was born in England/Wales it may be possible to track her down with Angelina, place, year, month, Registration District. Angelina is not a very common name.
Free BMD.
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Finally managed to open up. Looks like it is the name that comes from Corfu, Greece. An Australian Death Certificate not English/Welsh.
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Welcome to rootschat 'garbage'. :)
I can't quite make out the first letter or two, but the rest of the surname looks like:
....rmintong
or
...trmintong
A surname ending in "tong" (if that is what it is) I don't think sounds very Greek, but I may be wrong. :)
It is not a surname that I recognise.
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The certificate says she was born in Corfu, Greece but the parents' surnames don't look Greek to me, so they may have been holidaying or working there on a temporary basis?
Could Angelina's MS be Fermintong ?
Doesn't sound Greek but if you google 'Fermintong as surname' it gives references to fermenting wine in Italy and Greece ??? ??? ::) ::)
Dawn M
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What do you think Marina's surname is Dawn? I thought is was Brefiato/Perefiato - sounds Italian maybe?.
I'm sure the OP knows but I'm a bit curious and they are offline at the moment.
Although Annie and John married in England, I can't see a marriage of a John Butterfield to anyone with a surname similar to Brefiato within the time frame. I haven't looked for variations yet though.
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Not that it helps with the search but an article in Trove says that John's middle name is Edmond (but it could be an error).
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https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/passenger-records-and-immigration/unassisted-passenger-lists
Arrived Aug 1869 "Becula"
BUTTERFIELD John 32yr
BUTTERFIELD Ann 22yr
BUTTERFIELD Arthur 1yr
Birth certificate of BUTTERFIELD child born NSW would have maiden name and birthplace for mother.
Possibly married somewhere other than England?
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I think the father's surname is Perapato.
I did find an anc. tree that says John Edmond Butterfield married Annie Perapato on 07 Apr 1864 • St Francis of Assisi Chapel Corfu Ionion Is. Greece
Looking at Familysearch wiki here: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Corfu_County,_Greece_Genealogy they give a link for the online marriages in Corfu, part way down the page, under the title "Corfu Civil Registration Records".
I cannot get the link to load... perhaps the site is down at the moment, or the problem is on my end. It might be worth your while to give it a try tomorrow (unless someone else can manage to connect to it).
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Headstone:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/184075325/anna-butterfield
Jamjar
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Headstone:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/184075325/anna-butterfield
Jamjar
Isn't that Angelina's daughter, Annie?
I agree with Ruskie and Dawn - it (Angelina's surname) looks as if it ends rmintong
Gadget
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Headstone:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/184075325/anna-butterfield
Jamjar
Isn't that Angelina's daughter, Annie?
I agree with Ruskie and Dawn - it (Angelina's surname) looks as if it ends rmintong
Gadget
Yes, it’s the Annie mentioned in the death cert.
Jamjar
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In my humble opinion, the first letter is "J" as in January (to the left) 3rd letter looks like an "r"
but I could be wrong.
Malky
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I've been trying to find a birth record for Ann to see if that gives her mother's maiden name.
When she was born (c1846) Corfu was a British Protectorate. However, I don't seem to be able to find her in the British overseas BMDs - did they only include expats, and not the indigenous population? (I haven't checked the marriages.)
According to the FamilySearch wiki, some Corfu BMD records are online, but with the link they give I haven't been able to get beyond an archives catalogue entry. I don't know if there'd be any church/baptism records as well. The family were RC, rather than Orthodox, and some of the names sound more Italian than Greek in origin, which I think is perfectly feasible given the island's location.
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In my humble opinion, the first letter is "J" as in January (to the left) 3rd letter looks like an "r"
but I could be wrong.
Malky
The J in January looks diffrent from the the first letter of the surname*. I now think it says Fermintong.
Gadget
* a very distinct loop 'below the line' in the J in January
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Can somebody tell me what the father's Christian name is in the first scan?
All I see is Marina... ::)
Not a very fitting name for a bricklayer. ;)
Thanks,
Karen
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If Arthur was born in England as Arthur BUTTERFIELD, between Q1 1866 and Q4 1869 the MMN’s are:
Ellison
Sugden
Cliffs
Stead
Brimmingham
Dawson
Ratcliffe
Taylor
Cook.
Bitzar.
Sorry, I was having a moment.
Bitzar.
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Can somebody tell me what the father's Christian name is in the first scan?
All I see is Marina... ::)
Not a very fitting name for a bricklayer. ;)
Thanks,
Karen
It looks like Marina to me, Karen.
Gadget
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Looks like Fermintong to me.
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As has been said before, there are a a significant number of Italian names in the region.
IMHO, I would have thought that if it were Greek, they would likely be Greek Orthodox rather than RC. Therefore I think the father's first name might be Marino - the Italian masculine of Marina.
This leads me to think that the mother's name might be a misspelling, and while I might be completely wrong - the end of the name might say 'tory' or 'tony' rather than 'tong', as the ink may have run a bit.
Therefore the end of the name possibly should read as '....toni'? Which is definitely Italian sounding.
Hope this helps :)
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Here is the marriage registration :
John Butterfield and Anne Peripato
GRO Ionian Islands Civil Registration Marriages 1818-1864
vol 9
page 18
line 27
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In my humble opinion, the first letter is "J" as in January (to the left) 3rd letter looks like an "r"
but I could be wrong.
Malky
The J in January looks diffrent from the the first letter of the surname*. I now think it says Fermintong.
Gadget
* a very distinct loop 'below the line' in the J in January
That's what i see.
Carol
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Here is the marriage registration :
John Butterfield and Anne Peripato
GRO Ionian Islands Civil Registration Marriages 1818-1864
vol 9
page 18
line 27
So whoever registered the death didn't realise they married in Corfu (presumably) rather than England.
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The informant was the son Arthur. I have seen quite a number of incorrect mother's names on Australian d/cs. This may be Arthur's best guess at his grandmother's maiden name and a guess at the spelling by whoever filled out the form.
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In my humble opinion, the first letter is "J" as in January (to the left) 3rd letter looks like an "r"
but I could be wrong.
Malky
The J in January looks diffrent from the the first letter of the surname*. I now think it says Fermintong.
Gadget
* a very distinct loop 'below the line' in the J in January
That's what i see.
Carol
That's what I see also, but perhaps the registrar cut the loop short as it was infringing the left hand column.
It's only an opinion.
Malky
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It's the stroke through the F that I think you're seeing, Malky
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Being RC suggests a non-Greek origin for at least some members of the family. Wikipedia has a page on Corfiot Italians:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corfiot_Italians
Near the bottom there's a reference to "Maltese Italians" in Corfu, brought in by the British in the early 19th century. These people of Maltese origin were also RC.
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To answer Ruskie's question in #5 - this seems to be answered now by others, as Peripato.
Dawn M
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To answer Ruskie's question in #5 - this seems to be answered now by others, as Peripato.
Dawn M
Yes, it is answered now, thanks Dawn. :)
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Hi everyone - Thanks for the input... I've settled on three names : Jarminton / Ferminton / Riminton
Now just waiting on a marriage certificate from Confu. Once again Thankyou.
Garbage.
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Now just waiting on a marriage certificate from Confu. Once again Thankyou.
Garbage.
Let us know what the name turns out to be! We love knowing the real answer!
Edited to add:
The name is " Jarminton " From Columbian /Spanish origin . Thanks everyone / Garbage.
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Hi Ruskie , Found Marina's First name to be [Spiridione ] Which is Greek around Corfu.
Regards Garbage.