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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Lana2017 on Friday 18 January 19 19:44 GMT (UK)
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Hi guys,
I found the death certificate of one of my ancestors, Mary Ann Hutchison, but no parents named on the certificate. Is it common for them not to be listed? I'm also having some trouble reading the cause of death so I have attached the document if anyone would like to have a look.
Thanks!
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Hi
In my experience, it does happen as it depends on whether the informant (in this case the son-in-law) knew the details - there is no automatic check of the records to ensure the correct information. Given that some people may not have known or even met their in-laws/grandparents, it will happen - my grandmother's mother isn't listed on her death certificate even about 20 years ago as the person registering her death couldn't remember the details.
Also, bear in mind that nowadays even if an informant did not know the parents' information themselves, there would often be a birth certificate or marriage certificate available to refer to. As your relation died in 1868 and statutory registration only started in 1855, there may have been no paper record of her parents' names available to the family.
The cause of death is 'Disease of the Heart' with the duration of '1 year' underneath.
Best wishes
Rockford
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Thanks for the info, makes perfect sense :) There is suspected gypsy heritage on that branch of the tree (mary ann's granddaughter is called clementina and Hutchison is on the list of Gypsy surnames) so I've been hoping to find the occupation of Mary Ann's father in order to confirm it one way or the other. Oh well, back to the search!
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Sadly no birth, marriage or 1841 census but just to check if you have this information?
JAMES HAYWOOD/MARY HUTCHISON
Children
MARGARET 1829
JAMES 1830
AGNES 1832
THOMAS 1833
1851 Edinburgh Mary Ann 48, Agnes 18 Thomas 15 plus 2 foster children John Balfour 12, Agnes Deans 7
HEYWOOD MARYANN 1861 age 55 St George Midlothian
Agnes Deans with Mary Ann above plus a Mary McCall 5
1851 Mary Ann born 1803 Edinburgh 1861 Mary Ann born 1806 St. Cuthbert’s, Edinburgh
Colin
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What does it say under date of death??
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There is a Bann 20/07/1828 in Edinburgh between James (policeman) and Mary. Perhaps yours.
You can see the OPR entry at SP.
Don
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What does it say under date of death??
It says "Found 6h AM" . Could mean that Mary passed away in her sleep and her death was discovered in the morning. Below that is her address in Fountainbridge, Edinburgh.
Best wishes
Rockford
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Thanks. It was the "Found 6h AM" that I couldn't make out.
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Possible entry on SP index 1841
685/2 201/ 5 St Cuthbert's, Midlothian
HAYWOOD JAMES 50
" Mary 60
" James 11
" Agnes 8
" Thomas 5
BALFOUR John 3
Also here;
freecen.org.uk
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01na0/
Annie
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With Annie's age details for James Haywood from the 1841 census entry for the family, and Colin's details from 1851, this looks a possibility for the death/burial of James Haywood:
James HEYWOOD 65
02/10/1842
Ref 685/2 510 123
St Cuthbert's
Annie, as you mention, Freecen also have the familiy on the 1841 transcript. They show Mary as aged 40 which fits with her death age etc.
Monica
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Just an observation which may be of interest is that in the 1851 Census Mary-Ann is living in Semple Street, Edinburgh and she dies in Fountainbridge, Edinburgh. They are actually just round the corner from each other so she did not move far between the 1851 census and her death in 1868.
Dorrie
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Annie, as you mention, Freecen also have the familiy on the 1841 transcript. They show Mary as aged 40 which fits with her death age etc.
Monica
Monica,
I did wonder about the age being different on both & an error as I haven't looked at the original but names all fitted & ages of the others.
Annie
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Hi guys,
Thanks for all the responses! I didn't have much information on James Heywood other than his name and being from Edinburgh so that's useful that I've got more details now. I assume Mary Ann was born in Edinburgh as it looks like she didn't move around much at least once she was married.
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The 1841 census shows James Heywood as born in England. What was the occupation showing for him on wife's death reg? A little hard to read.
Monica
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Monica, I think it could be soldier?
flst
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Monica, I think it could be soldier?
flst
I thought Soldier too!
Annie
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There are a number of James Heywood, soldiers, who could connect to Mary Ann's husband James showing on https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_ep=james%20haywood&_dss=range&_sd=1790&_ed=1830&_ro=any&_st=adv
I wonder if any of the children's christening entries gave any clues as to father James' regiment? He shows as a labourer in 1841.
Monica
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I found a baptism certificate of one of the children (james), it shows his father James Haywood as a labourer in 1830.
Is it quite common for spelling of surnames to change slightly over time? As I have Heywood on some records and Haywood on others.
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Spelling of surnames can change over time. It also depended on the person writing up the entry and their perception of how the name should be spelt.
Remember, back in the 1800's lots of people could neither read nor write so they would not realise that their surname spelling was wrong.
Dorrie