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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: judith54 on Sunday 20 January 19 19:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi All
I am hoping to confirm the marriage of James Martin - one alternative and, I think, the more likely is 3 May 1837 to Thomasine Martin. None of the transcripts I've seen give any further detail.
I'm hoping someone could look at Brampton marriages 1837 (shame it wasn't the following quarter!) maybe also banns if they are available and give me any additional info there is - I'm hoping for details of James parents. I know this is unlikely but maybe the names of witnesses may give me a clue. James should be of full age as he was born about 1808
thanks
Judith
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I can check the records for you, hopefully in the next couple of weeks.
J
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Thank you J that would be much appreciated Judith
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Hi Judith
Checked the parish records. The Banns were read on 16, 23 and 30th April. Unfortunately there are no detail about either James or Thomasine parents. It gives James' Parish as Lanercost and Thomasine as Brampton. The witness were Christopher Armstrong and Richd Worsley (it could read Rick).
J
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Thank you J - I must admit it was a long shot but your help is appreciated. Will need to think again!!
Regards
Judith
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Hi
Regarding my request/response below I have now got info. from Canadian records that confirms this is right marriage. My next task is to try and find Thomasine's parents! From Canadian records she was probably born c1810 but I can't find a baptism for her in Brampton in that period. There is a baptism in 1837, a fortnight after she married, i.e. 21/5/1837 parents William & Ann and wonder if by some chance she could have been baptised later in life; another reason for wondering this is that the 2nd of James & Thomasine's daughters is named Ann and she has a son called William.
I wonder if the baptism in May 1837 could be checked to see if there is anything to suggest that this could have been a late baptism - I know I'm clutching at straws!
Thank you again
Judith
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Hi Judith
the 1861 census for Brampton has a Thomasine Martin b about 1838, living with her father William Martin, a widower.
So the baptism in 1838 might well be for that lady.
However if its a family name, it might we worth looking into William and his family to help you identify if he might have had a sister called Thomasine?
There was also a Presbyterian Church in Brampton - I don't think the baptisms there are on the IGI, so it might be worth looking at that, too.
cheers
Robbiesmum
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Thank you Robbiesmum - what a wally I am (told you I was clutching at straws!!). Never thought to check the obvious like the census; shows we're all old and daft enough to overlook the basics!!!!!
There is probably a connection but not the one I was seeking.
Thank you
Judith :) :)
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I also noticed there was a baptism on the IGI of a Thomas Martin 1832 in Brampton, mother Thomasine Martin. That might also be worth checking out, it might mention an address or place name? Also probably clutching at straws but you might as well try anything!
cheers
robbiesmum
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Hi
In response to Robbiesmum below I now believe - from Canadian records seen - that Thomasine was either a Presbyterian or Methodist. Are the Presbyterian records held by Cumbria Archives if so would someone be able to have a look for the period 1805-1815?
Thomasine Martin from Brampton (per marriage record) 1805-1815
thanks
Judith
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I'll have a look for you,
J
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Thank you :)
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Brampton Presbyterian Baptisms 1712-1928 are held at Carlisle Archive Centre but no marriages or burials.
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Checked the record for the Presbertyrian Church in Brampton and your hunch may be correct. There were two baptisms for a Thomasine, but both with the same parent:
20th January 1810 Thomasine daughter of James Martin of Beckside.
9th March 1811, Thomasine daughter of James Martin of Beckside. It looks like Thomasine (1810 died as a baby)
The were some other baptisms that have a little more information:
18th Novemember 1804 Jennet (this could have read Janet and at a push Isabella)to James Martin, weaver of Beckside and his wife Nancy Allen.
19th January 1806 James son of James, Beckside and his wife Nancy Allen.
2nd April 1817 Margaret (aged about 2) and Helen on the same day.
I also checked the record that Robbiesmum suggested in 1832 for Thomas:
14th November 1832 Thomas Martin, illegimate son of Thomasine Martin, Buckside (or Beckside), spinster.
This seems to fit with the address.
I also see from the census record you saw for William and his daughter Thomasine that their address was Beckside, so this could be Thomasine's brother as Robbiesmum suggested. There may have been baptisms that I missed or didnt notice, so I can recheck for a baptism for William in 1808/09.
If Thomasine's daughter was called Ann, this could fit with Thomasine's mother being Nancy, pet name for Ann.
J
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Thank you that is fantastic - grey cells working better this time!! :) :) :) :) :) :)
Judith