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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: blacksmithy on Monday 21 January 19 09:06 GMT (UK)
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Good evening
I realise this period of time was one of great influx in to NZ but wondering if anyone can shed light on when the following family members may have come to NZ:
1. Richard Lawrence Wood with his wife Elizabeth and daughter Ada B: Middlesex England 1898. (Richards ChCh cemetery records states he was living in NZ about 50yrs prior to his death in the north island in 1959). They came out together I presume.
2. Richards step-father: Robert Sibley and his full sons ( John Sibley B: 1868, Charles B: 1869 and Thomas 1872-1945.
I have found the record for Robert Sibley's wife and their younger children ( Alfred, Albert and Ada and Rosa) arriving on the Ionic to Wellington in 1892.
I am also interested in the parents of Richard Wood born 1871-1873. His mother Elizabeth married Robert Sibley after Richard was born and appears to have kept his father's surname throughout his life. I believe his father to have been Richard occ: plumber. What become of his real father?
I am also interested in who Robert Sibley's first wife (1843 Devon England - 1909 ChCh NZ). It would appear she born him the first sons John 1868, Charles 1869 and ? Thomas 1872.
I have good information on the family in NZ except for John and Charles.
Any information regarding the above would be very welcome.
Thanks in advance for taking the time to read this long post.
Blacksmithy
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Richard Wood
Occ Plumber
Departure year 8th January 1909
Departure port London
Destination port Port Chalmers NZ
Travelling with wife Mrs Wood! and daughter Ada on board the Kumara.
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According to Robert Sibley/Elizabeth Woods Marriage Banns she was a Spinster.
Do you have the actual M/C?
Of she was a Spinster Richard Wood was illeg and he lied on his M/C to Elizabeth Gratwick.
GRO Index confirms this;
SIBLEY, WALTER HENRY, Mothers mn WOOD****
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 870
+ likely Birth Reg for Richard;
WOOD, RICHARD LAWRENCE, no Mothers mn ( so illeg)
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in AXMINSTER Volume 05B Page 12
Trish :)
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Do you have this?
1871 Census
Abbotsbury, Dorset
John Deamer 55
Mary Deamer 50
Sarah Deamer 26
Mary Deamer 23
Harriet Deamer 21
Ann Deamer 15
William Deamer 13
Martha Deamer 11
George Deamer 9
Alice Deamer 4
Robert SIBLEY, 28, Visitor, Mar, Carman, born Somerset
John Sibley, 4, Visitor, born London, Surrey
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Boys Birth Regs, 1st Marriage;
SEBLEY, JOHN ROBERT, Mothers mn DEAMEN
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in POPLAR UNION Volume 01C Page 696
SIBLEY, CHARLES, Mothers mn DAYMAN
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 147
SEBLEY, THOMAS, Mothers mn DEAMAN
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 47
Marriage;
June 1866, Weymouth 5a 599
Robert SEBLEY to Ellen DEAMEN
Death Regs for a Ellen Sibley Dec 1875 St Saviour age 29 or March 1876 age 35
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Marriage 12 Apr 1866, Abbotsbury, Dorset, England
Ellen DEAMEN, Father JOHN
Robert SETLEY, Father JOHN
So Robert is with his in laws in 1871 Census :)
Earlier Census Ellen is born c 1845/6 Abbotsbury
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On FindMyPast there is a 44 yr old Chas Sibley arriving in Wellington aboard the Tainui in 1912 his occupation was mechanic ,
Cheers Janette
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+ likely Birth Reg for Richard;
WOOD, RICHARD LAWRENCE, no Mothers mn ( so illeg)
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in AXMINSTER Volume 05B Page 12
Baptism > 14 July 1872 > Parish of Colyton, Devon
WOOD - Richard Lawrence - Parent: Elizabeth WOOD, spinster of Colyton
~ Lu
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Following on from Trish's birth reg's for SIBLEY - there this one also >
SIBLEY - Alfred James
Mother's maiden surname > DEARNEN ( guessing this should probably be "DEAMAN" ?? )
GRO Ref: 1874 - St Saviour, Surrey - M quarter
~ Lu
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I have found the record for Robert Sibley's wife and their younger children ( Alfred, Albert and Ada and Rosa) arriving on the Ionic to Wellington in 1892.
Hi Blacksmithy
Just a slight correction to above, for you. ;)
http://www.huttcity.govt.nz/Leisure--Culture/Museums-and-galleries/Our-museums/petone-settlers-data/DisplayPerson/?Id=24502&SearchString=SIBLEY&Pa
The sons who accompanied Elizabeth SIBLEY, were Albert and Walter (and not Alfred -- see my following post).
~ Lu
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Hi again Blacksmithy
The following link to the arrival of the ship "DUNEDIN" - January 1887, very much suggests that Robert SIBLEY and his two sons, Thomas and Alfred, travelled ahead of the rest of the family. ;)
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LT18870115.2.20
From passenger list for "Dunedin" - arrived Lyttelton - January 1887 ...
Mr Robert SIBLEY / Master Thomas SIBLEY and Master Alfred SIBLEY.
~ Lu
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Death Regs for a Ellen Sibley Dec 1875 St Saviour age 29 or March 1876 age 35
Further to above ... noticed a birth (and death) of an unnamed female child at Saint Saviour, Surrey registration district.
GRO reference : 1875 - D quarter - Saint Saviour Surrey - Vol 01D - page 112
SIBLEY ------
Mother's maiden surname : DEAMAN
[ FREE BMD has - DEC 1875 - SIBLEY -- female - age 0 - BIRTH and DEATH - reg'd. St Saviour ]
~ Lu
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Could this be 'your' Charles?
1940/27429 Sibley Charles Henry 72Y
Minniehaha.
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Thank you all so much for your searching, hunting and discoveries. You all have such vast knowledge and are able to look outside the square. This all stacks up accurately with some other family stories and does confirm the thought that Richard was likely born out of wedlock. Roberts Will does not include Richard. My thought would be that Charles' death cert would likely hold the key to confirming his mother. Despite putting Robert and older sons names in Papers Past they did not come up for me.
Many thanks again
Blacksmithy
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Hi
Had just been about to post the link to Robert SIBLEY's probate file ... his will dated 1 August 1899 does of course include son Charles and it could be assumed that he is residing in New Zealand at that time as some other of his children named, are not allocated places of abode. (Robert's spinster sister - Susan SIBLEY of London - is the only beneficiary whose location is specifically stated. )
Robert's son John is not mentioned in the will - [which may suggest that he was deceased at that time ??]
Question: Why is that you say that ... "Charles' death certificate would likely hold the key to confirming his mother"... ???
~ Lu
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Hi
thank you for the last posting, my thought was that it would confirm the name & spelling of his mother who we know is not Elizabeth Wood but Ellen Deamer, Deaman, Dayman. From the above information I now know they were married in 1866 and Ellen died in 1875 however Ellen does not appear in the 1871 census with her husband who is with his in-laws.
Having said that Charles mother was not actually Elizabeth Wood I am wondering if he used her name rather than his real mothers name.
Just my thoughts and guidance is always appreciated.
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A death registration is only as good as the informant and therefore the information can often be wrong.Unless the informant for Charles; death knew his background the information could well be wrong,
Cheers Janette
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Ancestry Church of England London Marriages and Banns
Parish Church Camberwell 1 Aug 1896
WOOD Richard bachelor 24 years plumber res. 26 Basing Rd father Richard, gentleman
GRATWICK Elizabeth spinster 25 years res. 1 Church St Peckham Rd father Edward, hatter
Witnesses William GRATWICK Fanny GRATWICK.
Ancestry Church of England London Births and Baptisms
St Luke Hackney baptism 13 Nov 1898 born 13 ** 1898
WOOD Ada Elizabeth parents Richard and Eliz. father a plumber, res. 23 Stevens Avenue
GRO birth
WOOD Ada Elizabeth mms GEATRICK
DecQ Hackney Vol 01B Pg 553
BDM NZ
1922/9073 Ada Elizabeth WOOD marr. YATES George Leslie
Familysearch -
Will NZ written 20 Feb 1929 Witnesses Arthur HILL Ellen Elizabeth HILL
WOOD Elizabeth Lucy, died 15 Oct 1940
Beneficiaries Richard Lawrence WOOD and Ada Elizabeth YATES.
Richard Lawrence WOOD.."......I was born in Colyton, Devon....Elizabeth Lucy WOOD was born in Kennington, England....."
Ada Elizabeth YATES.." I was born in Hackney in England"
How have you identified the mother of this Richard Lawrence WOOD to be Elizabeth who married Robert SIBLEY?
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Ancestry Church of England London Births and Baptisms
St Luke Peckham Southwark
SIBLEY Walter Henry 27 Aug 1879
1 Castlemaine Rd parents Robert / Elizabeth Carman
SIBLEY Albert William 27 Aug 1879
1 Castlemaine Rd parents Robert / Elizabeth Carman
SIBLEY Ada Elizabeth 11 Mar 1881
1 Castlemaine Rd parents Robert / Elizabeth Carman
SIBLEY Rose Annie 27 Feb 1884
152 Southampton Place (?) parents Robert / Elizabeth greengrocer
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How have you identified the mother of this Richard Lawrence WOOD to be Elizabeth who married Robert SIBLEY?
Seems the actual marriage record is not available for viewing online ... but as (I think) previously given in this thread > from Church of England Banns (London) > Southwark - St John the Evangelist - Walworth >>
1876 - Robert SIBLEY - widower ... and Elizabeth WOOD, spinster.
In 1881 the stepson namely Richard WOOD aged 10 years, is present in the household of "Herbert" SIBLEY. ["Herbert" is clearly shown on the census image - so not a transcription error - but all other info contained, points to the man being Robert SIBLEY. ]
Given earlier here, the baptism of Richard Lawrence WOOD (m. Elizabeth WOOD, spinster - no father's name given). Added : Refer Reply # 7 -- baptism at Colyton, Devon
ODD ... on census of 1881 and 1901, Richard (R. Lawrence) WOOD's birthplace is given as Somerset ... and Bristol ???
AND ... where is Elizabeth SIBLEY (nee WOOD) [and her younger children Albert, Walter, Ada and Rose] in 1891. Has anyone found them ?? They journeyed from London to Wellington NZ in 1892 (see previous.) Added: Reply # 9 - arrived NZ 30/05/1892
~ Lu
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Hi
Walter is my great grand father (although I never met him). My father and his parents lived with Walter and his wife Amy Whittington for some time in ChCh. My father recalls visiting Albert, Alfred and Ada. He has no memory of the older sons or Richard.
I find it odd that Richard Wood is able to identify on his Marriage entry that his father as Richard Wood - Gentleman. Does this indicate his father was living or deceased. Or perhaps a gentleman who did not want an illegitimate child.
My thoughts regarding getting death certs for Charles Sibley and Richard Wood was to attempt to draw out who their respect parent was and therefore join the dots. I realise this may not get me the results I am after...thoughts please!
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Remember that people didn’t always tell the truth on a marriage certificate, an illegitimate child often made up the name and occupation of a father in order to look respectable.
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There is a 1891 Census record possibly for Albert and Walter being at school - their ages seem to be pretty good. England Census Surrey, Sutton Distric SMD School for Boys and Girls (right at the bottom of the page). Still nothing for their mother Elizabeth and sisters Ada and Rose though.
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BDM NZ death
1940/27429 SIBLEY Charles Henry 72Y
This Charles Henry SIBLEY is buried at Te Henui Cemetery, New Plymouth, with no information on the cemetery database.
Is this your Charles -
New Zealand Herald 6 Oct 1921
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19211006.2.111?
...Charles SIBLEY, 59 years...larceny.......worked at sea...British Navy 15 years......
I think this Charles had no family.....wife...children....so there would not be much information on his death certificate.
I think that the death printout for Richard WOOD would be useful for your research. Daughter Ada Elizabeth is alive when he dies, she arrived in NZ as a child of 11 years, so old enough to have her own memories of leaving England and arriving in NZ. You know her parents names and their marriage details, so that would be a good indication of her knowledge of her parents, of which she is likely to be the informant.
Even if information is incorrect it can by very useful, and offer good clues.
After arrival in New Zealand...do you see any occasion of connection between the SIBLEY and WOOD families?
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Is this your Charles -
New Zealand Herald 6 Oct 1921
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19211006.2.111?
...Charles SIBLEY, 59 years...larceny.......worked at sea...British Navy 15 years......
Above Charles SIBLEY - aged 59 years - born c. 1862 - a little older than the Charles being sought.
And article also said ... 7 awards for bravery at sea ... and that he had two previous convictions ...
Sounds very much like this guy ???
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LT19070801.2.19
Charles James SIBLEY ... many years at sea ... held 5 Royal Humane Society certificates .... ??? ???
~ Lu
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... and there is this dude, too. Featuring in the New South Wales Police Gazette of 1905.
Charles SIBLEY - born England - 25.11.1862
Occ: Seaman
Ship " "Athenic" - arrived 1905
Convicted of robbery - sentenced to 12 months
[Has photo of SIBLEY. ]
Actually, think this is the chap at Opotiki (1921).
~ Lu
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Hi everyone, thank you all so much for your research. I am now in contact with a family member regarding Richard L Wood, although much mystery remains.
I will continue to look for a link with the Charles (outlined below). I had previously had a quick look at these in paperspast but didn't follow them up - time to do so.
Any further information that anyone may stumble across at a later date would be well received.
Again many thanks for your time and expertise :D