RootsChat.Com
Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: lavender blue on Wednesday 23 January 19 10:51 GMT (UK)
-
Could any one please help with a search for a Charles Richard Davis or could be spelt Davies
living in New Zealand Reefton about 1900 onwards, came from Beaconsfield Tasmania, born 21/9/1879.
Had two brothers Walter Alexander and William Arthur, living about 20 miles from Reefton
Also a sister Minnie with a child could have lived in or near Reefton.
Would love to trace this family, and see what their lives were about.
Cheers lavender blue
-
Hello lavender blue
... Welcome to RootsChat. :)
Well sadly, the following appears to be the death of your man at the young age of 43 years. :(
http://public.bullerdc.govt.nz/cgi-bin/cemetery/ceep?key=011626
Charles Richard DAVIES - buried at Reefton Cemetery on 20 January 1923.
I searched for a death notice (not found to date) ... and also looked to see if there might have been a will (nil).
* Was Charles married ? Did he have a family ? Updated : Now found.
~ Lu
-
.... aah ... have located an obituary notice for him.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19230120.2.22
Died after an illness ... left a widow - one son and one daughter.
* Do you have their names at all ? Can look further. Updated: Now found
~ Lu
-
New Zealand Marriage
1905 - Charles Richard DAVIES -- Lilian Mary Grace CUMMINGS
-
NZ Births
1907 - DAVIES - Richard Martin Paparoa
Parents: Lilian Mary Grace and Charles Richard
1913 - DAVIES - Lillian Daphne
Parents: Lillian Mary Grace and Charles Richard
Note : different spellings for "Lillian / Lilian "
-
NZ Birth ... wife of Charles Richard DAVIES
1884 - CUMMINGS - Lilian Mary Grace
Parents : Mary Ann - Thomas Martin
~ Lu
-
It does seem that the family of Charles R. DAVIES, went to live in Australia - though from what date I'm not sure.
Did find however the death in 1953 in New South Wales of the son, Richard Martin DAVIES at age 46.
[He appears to have dropped his third christian name of "Paparoa" ?? ]
NSW Death
1953
DAVIES - Richard Martin
Mother : Lilian Mary G.
Father : Charles Richard
8543 / 1953
Death notice to follow.
-
Death notice for Richard Martin DAVIES - (s/o Charles Richard DAVIES)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18377433?searchTerm=richard%20martin%20DAVIES%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimit
-
NSW Marriage
Year : 1934
Richard Martin DAVIES -- Gertrude V. PLUMBLEY
-
Hi lavender blue
* Are you able to give "years of birth" for the brothers and sister, Minnie ? Any additional information you have, may be helpful. [Our NZ BDM indexes carry only minimal details and we need to refer to other resources quite often.]
"William Arthur and Walter Alexander" DAVIS / DAVIES aren't exactly "jumping" out in my searching .. it's possible though they didn't use their second forenames.
* Can you advise please more precisely, what other information are you seeking ?
[Will endeavour to look further for Charles' wife and daughter. ]
~ Lu
-
Hi again lavender blue
It occurred to me after reading your questions again, that you may also want some history/pictures etc. of the places your people lived and worked in.
From the NZ electoral rolls > Charles Richard DAVIES dates from 1911 > I found that he worked firstly at Blackball ... and by 1914 was at Rewanui. Both places have fairly well-documented histories ... but I'll start with this link to Rewanui >>
https://westcoast.recollect.co.nz/nodes/view/660rles
Incidentally, Charles R. DAVIES was employed as an "overseer".
~ Lu
-
Our PapersPast (historical newspapers) website has a number of items and photos re: Rewanui.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW19140422.2.172.9.1
Photo : The mouth of the main Coal mine at Rewanui - April 1914
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW19140422.2.172.9.2
Photo : The powerful hydraulic brake controlling the rope at Rewanui - April 1914
There's a lot more if you search the newspapers.
Also, try Youtube. In the search box at that site, type in "Rewanui". It returns a number of results - several short videos captured by a mountain biker with a helmet-mounted camera takes you over the territory with it's unique and somewhat unspoiled landscape.
And two other [Rewanui] videos at youtube I'd recommend - "West Coast and Nelson Scenes" (passes the Rewanui Mine") and "Rewanui Branch Railway".
These though are "sunshine and roses" style views - of course it was rather bleak in the old days of coal-mining there.
~ Lu
-
Lucy 2. Thank you for your reply,time and research on Charles Davies this has helped
me to further pursue this family line.
Would it be possible to find the brothers Walter Alexander born Tas 2/3/1881, and William
Arthur born Tas 24/10/1885, who lived in Reefton area
Sister Minnie Isobel Davis no E in Davis born 1883, had child Pearl 1905 unmarried mother, went
to N Z late 1905/1906 lived in or near Reefton for about 6yrs before returning to Victoria.
Wondering if they would be on census, or coastal shipping records
Any help would be much appreciated regards Lavender blue
-
Lucy 2 Getting back to you,with my search of brothers Walter and William Davis or Davies living
about 20 miles from Reefton.
Minnie their sister and her child,returned to Australia aboard the Warrimoo, sailing on April 29 1911
travelled saloon and ship went to Melb and Hobart.
Someone doing research found this, but I cannot find Minnie going to N Z after child born 1905/1906
where she resided for 5 years
Hoping you may have some clues, very very grateful for what you have found me.
Cheers Lavender Blue
-
Someone else is looking for the little girl born to Minnie.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=803625.0
And you are looking for the little girls father.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=807357.0
Putting up these links as some of us wander far and wide getting info that may be helpful and we don't want to duplicate anything!
:) :)
-
There is this marriage entry to add into the mix
1907/6317 Martha Reid Walter Alexander Davis
and these births to that couple
1908/14221 Davis Douglas James Martha Walter Alexander
1914/17151 Davis Colin Victor Martha Walter Alexander-
1918/782 Davis Nola Campbell Martha Walter Alexander
BUT there is another Walter Alexander Davis born 1876 to parents William and Christina and these entries could relate to him.
Are any of the chidrens' names above family ones OP?
-
OP just checking that you do not have a date/place of death for these two brothers.
I ask as there is a Walter Alexander Davis who died in Tasmania in 1923 aged 41. Had wife and two living children.
Also an Arthur William Davis with children born in Tasmania 1900, 1901 & 1904. One has Alexander as a middle name. Alexander is one of the names of the father of a William Arthur Davis (richard Walter Alexander Davis and wife is Elizabeth Adams Davis. William Arthur Davis is buried at the old Pioneer cemetery at Stanley in Tasmania afyer dying in 1939.
Please let us know if you have dates and are seeking 'colour' around their time in NZ
-
There is this marriage entry to add into the mix
1907/6317 Martha Reid Walter Alexander Davis
and these births to that couple
1908/14221 Davis Douglas James Martha Walter Alexander
1914/17151 Davis Colin Victor Martha Walter Alexander-
1918/782 Davis Nola Campbell Martha Walter Alexander
BUT there is another Walter Alexander Davis born 1876 to parents William and Christina and these entries could relate to him.
Are any of the chidrens' names above family ones OP?
Checked this previously. Wrong person. The Walter Alexander DAVIS mentioned above, (they are one and the same), was New Zealand-born.
[Appears to have been the son of Christina (aka Christina Pillance Campbell - maiden name unknown) and William (aka William Robert ) DAVIS. His birth was registered 3rd quarter, 1876 at Patea, Taranaki province. In 1905-06 worked as a platelayer (railways), resident at Waverley (Taranaki). Died at Paekakariki, (Kapiti district) cremated at Wellington July 1952 (aged 75). Births of two of his children with Martha - 1908 and 1914, also registered Taranaki district. An application for Letters of Administration in the estate of Walter Alexander DAVIS, (1952) did not confirm his birthplace. ]
~ Lu
[Edited only for clarity. ]
-
Thanks for that.
As I found the Tasmanian ones very easily shortly after I wondered.....hence my question re wanting specific info about being in that part of NZ at the particular time.
The Tasmanian records are worth a look. I will not do any more until OP lets us know what info she is seeking about them.
-
Death of William Arthur DAVIS : [Late of Beaconsfield, TAS. ]
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17172786?searchTerm=william%20arthur%20DAVIS%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits
"Sydney Morning Herald" -- the above is actually his funeral notice (yet to find family death notice - although I do now know from other findings, that he had a wife)
NSW Death Index has >
1911 / 1935
DAVIS - William A.
Parents : Richard and Elizabeth
Registered: North Sydney
~ Lu
More to follow >>
-
William Arthur DAVIS - (next-of-kin, Richard DAVIS - father) enlisted in Australian Army in 1917 :
You can find his details at the following link >
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsReports/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=1897392&isAv=N
[Note: Sometimes these links "time out". If that should happen, then just go to the naa.gov.aus website > use the "name search facility" + "WW1" to bring up the file. ]
~ Lu
-
On one page in the Army file for William Arthur DAVIS (sorry can't remember the page number) there is a letter from his wife dated 1941 enquiring about an "army badge" (or somesuch ?)
The letter is signed -- "Olive V. DAVIS".
~ Lu
-
This is possibly the marriage of William Arthur DAVIS ?
NSW Marriage Index
2115 / 1921
DAVIS - William A.
INGHAM - Olive V.
Registered at Chatswood, NSW
~ Lu
-
The wife of William Arthur DAVIS (Olive Veronica DAVIS) died in May 1944 - can only find a funeral notice at this stage (search ongoing).
NSW Death Index
1944
DAVIS - Olive Veronica
Parents: Roger and Ann
Registered: Sydney
Olive Veronica DAVIS was buried at Macquarie Park Cemetery, Sydney (Catholic section). [It would seem that William Arthur is buried elsewhere ? ]
~ Lu
-
Also an Arthur William Davis with children born in Tasmania 1900, 1901 & 1904. One has Alexander as a middle name. Alexander is one of the names of the father of a William Arthur Davis (richard Walter Alexander Davis and wife is Elizabeth Adams Davis. William Arthur Davis is buried at the old Pioneer cemetery at Stanley in Tasmania afyer dying in 1939.
Hi shanreagh ... just for the record, the above was the "other" William Arthur DAVIS - born TAS, December 1880 - registered 1881 at Port Sorell -- s/o John DAVIS and Mary (nee GLEGG) : ;)
-
Article - death of William Arthur DAVIS - March 1935. :(
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/236505711?searchTerm=William%20Arthur%20DAVIS%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLim
-
I believe the William Arthur Davis we are looking for is in fact the son of Richard Davis ( ie Richard Walter Alexander Davis) that you have referenced in the 1917 Army record. I also believe his mother was Elizabeth Adams Davis as mentioned in the 1935 death notice that you have also mentioned .
I am not sure where you get the names John DAVIS and Mary (nee GLEGG) from as I have not included them unless these are the parents of the Davis buried at Stanley that you have not crossed out? I am puzzled.
Is it not possible that a person born in 1880s could be married twice? He would be in his 40s at the time of the marriage to Olive Ingram.
-
I am not sure where you get the names John DAVIS and Mary (nee GLEGG) from as I have not included them unless these are the parents of the Davis buried at Stanley that you have not crossed out? I am puzzled.
Hi ... correct, you did not include names of those parents. But my reference was simply a courtesy post to advise that (in case you had not found them in your search of the Tasmanian archives (BDM), there were two children named "William Arthur DAVIS" born late 1880 and in 1885. [the 1885 one is the subject of this thread, and yes, his parents were Richard DAVIS (Richard A.W. DAVIS) and Elizabeth nee ADAMS.
~ Lu
-
Is it not possible that a person born in 1880s could be married twice? He would be in his 40s at the time of the marriage to Olive Ingram.
Yes, but he'd only die once ! Sorry, I'm not understanding where you are coming from with the query on William Arthur DAVIS. ??? Why does it matter that this man married in his 40's ???
Incidentally, the bride's surname was "INGHAM" (not Ingram).
~ Lu
-
Only that the search is still ongoing in case he married earlier/younger and wife died or they parted.....or are you happy just to find one marriage and leave it at that?
An earlier marriage could well have produced children?
Noted the spelling of wife's surname.
-
I am not sure where you get the names John DAVIS and Mary (nee GLEGG) from as I have not included them unless these are the parents of the Davis buried at Stanley that you have not crossed out? I am puzzled.
Hi ... correct, you did not include names of those parents. But my reference was simply a courtesy post to advise that (in case you had not found them in your search of the Tasmanian archives (BDM), there were two children named "William Arthur DAVIS" born late 1880 and in 1885. [the 1885 one is the subject of this thread, and yes, his parents were Richard DAVIS (Richard A.W. DAVIS) and Elizabeth nee ADAMS.
~ Lu
OK just pointing out in your crossing out the bits about the wrong WAD you also crossed out the correct bits about the WA Davis we are searching for ie that I had found the full name of father, with an interesting convergence of names linking in with Wiliiam's brother Walter Alexander, and a a possible MS of the mother.
???
-
OP has not come back (yet) with whether they have got this material that is being found.
-
Lucy 2 Getting back to you,with my search of brothers Walter and William Davis or Davies living
about 20 miles from Reefton.
Minnie their sister and her child,returned to Australia aboard the Warrimoo, sailing on April 29 1911
travelled saloon and ship went to Melb and Hobart.
Someone doing research found this, but I cannot find Minnie going to N Z after child born 1905/1906
where she resided for 5 years
Hi again Lavender Blue
I don't always have the time to do in depth searches - and in this case with having to check both DAVIS and DAVIES ... and just Walter and William (in case they didn't always use their second names) .. it all takes extra effort.
Glad that you have managed to trace Minnie and child returning to AUS.
Just need to point out in respect of passenger lists / shipping details, that those applicable to trans-Tasman travel, don't always carry a great deal of detail. ie sometimes age / occupation are missing ... or there is just an initial instead of a christian name. Worse still, on some voyages just the first class or cabin passengers are named ... others are just lumped into the category "... number of steerage passengers" (no names supplied). ::) Usually it was only a 3 or 4 day journey, to and from AUS ... and British subjects were free to come and go from both countries, as they pleased and without supplying a lot of personal detail.
Sometimes though we can get lucky and find a person, but otherwise the scenario outlined above, is what we are faced with. ;D
It's always a good idea, where possible, to check incoming (non-immigrant) passenger lists for Australian states (in case a person has returned there). Often these can give different or additional info.
I'm guessing Walter and William had links to the mining industry in / around Buller and Reefton ?
Not perhaps unusually, there were many miners who hailed from Wales (and also had the name DAVIS / DAVIES) ... so there is a lot to be sifted through.
No guarantees that I'll find the NZ info you want, but will try looking further.
~ Lu
-
So Lavender Blue is keen for information about the time in NZ for the brothers? and possibly the return journeys?
-
National Archives of Australia WW1 records
DAVIS William Arthur #3523 born Beaconsfield TAS, enlisted Queenstown TAS, NOK Richard DAVIS, father, Beaconsfield
Wife Olive V DAVIS. William died 10 Mar 1935.
BDM NSW marriage
2115/1921 DAVIS William A marr. INGHAM Olive V @ Charswood
BDM NSW death
1911/1935 DAVIS William A parents Richard / Elizabeth @ Nth Sydney
6703/1944 DAVIS Olive Veronica parents Roger / Ann @ Sydney
Until you have a definite indication of Minnie DAVIS in NZ, beyond family stories, I think we have accounted for trying to locate her there.......... during your earlier enquiry. Shipping records are short on detail, and often with only initials used.
Do you have death certificates for mother Minnie and her daughter, which might show time in NZ?. If it was just a few years I doubt that it would be mentioned.
-
wivenhoe ... some of that info already given in this thread. :)
-
Minnie their sister and her child,returned to Australia aboard the Warrimoo, sailing on April 29 1911
travelled saloon and ship went to Melb and Hobart.
Someone doing research found this, but I cannot find Minnie going to N Z after child born 1905/1906
Hi Lavender Blue
* What sort of details did the researcher you mention, actually find for Minnie and child who travelled on this April 1911 "Warrimoo" voyage ??
I simply ask because looking at the passenger list the only DAVIS people I can see are the following >>
STEERAGE :
DAVIS - male (single) aged 36 years
DAVIS - female (Mrs) - married - 34 years
DAVIS - (with Mrs DAVIS) - Children : 1 female under 12 years / 1 infant male.
[Note: The Saloon passengers were listed above those in steerage - but no DAVIS in that group. ]
"Warrimoo" (had arrived at Wellington, NZ on 19 April 1911 at 3 pm. From there it went to Lyttelton (Port of Canterbury) then to Dunedin (Otago), then on to Bluff at the bottom of South Island. Departed Bluff 24 April - encountered bad weather on crossing to Hobart which delayed her - arrived 30 April at Melbourne. ]
~ Lu
-
Hello researchers I have just got back to my Davis search, with a great surprise of what Shanreagh Lucy2, Vivenhoe, have found me. Thank you.Yes definitely the Davis connected to Richard and
Elizabeth nee Adams is my connection.Brother Charles Richard has been accounted for death in
New Zealand.
Appears brothers Walter Alexander and William Arthur only resided there temporary ,yes shanreagh
would be interesting to know something of their time spent there and if sister Minnie lived with them.
Please forgive me for asking so many questions on this subject, but without your help would not have
so much complied. kindest regards lavender blue.
-
Hi there - I am researching Charles Richard Davies as part of a PhD on identity. I am wondering if you have any further information on him. I have found an obit for him. Thank you.