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Title: Bastard Norfolk and Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Wednesday 23 January 19 19:09 GMT (UK)
Looking for any info on the bastard family.

I'm finding it so difficult to research as when you search the name it just bring up details of bastard children..

My ancestors are...

GG Grandparents
Frances
Title: Re: Bastard Norfolk and Northumberland
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 23 January 19 19:15 GMT (UK)
You are looking in 2 diverse counties so we need details of birthyears and which family is from which county

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I'm finding it so difficult to research as when you search the name it just bring up details of bastard children..

What website are you using?  You need to use Family Search, Ancestry or FindMyPast and search for the specific names.  It sounds as though you are using Google if you are getting those results.

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GG Grandparents
Frances

Not very helpful as no birthyear or birthplace given.  You presumably have more than just a name so please tell us what you already know so we don't waste time duplicating

Family Search has all available censuses and you can look for BMD's here www.freebmd.org.uk

www.familysearch.org and is free - Ancestry & FindMyPast are subscription sites
Title: Re: Bastard Norfolk and Northumberland
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 23 January 19 19:24 GMT (UK)
Was Bastard maiden or married name of Frances? Do you have dates for Frances? Was she your great-great-grandmother? Did she have a connection with Norfolk and/or Northumberland? Whom did she marry? 
Title: Re: Bastard Norfolk and Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Wednesday 23 January 19 20:17 GMT (UK)
Sorry that's sent before I was finished typing!!

GG Grandparents
Frances Mary bastard born 1871 North shields
Christopher Henderson born 1869

GGG grandparents
John bastard born 1828 Blakeney Norfolk
Mary Ann Stamp born1833

GGGG grandparents
Abel bastard born 1786 Norfolk
Mary Craske born 1786

Thanks x
Title: Re: Bastard Norfolk and Northumberland
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 23 January 19 20:23 GMT (UK)
Marriages June qtr 1888   
BASTARD    Frances Mary        Tynemouth    10b   293      
Henderson    Christopher    

Marriages June qtr 1855   
BASTARD    John        Erpingham    4b   83      
STAMP    Mary Ann   

Births June qtr 1871 
Bastard    Frances Mary Dixon        Tynemouth    10b   175     mmn Stamp

Are you trying to go backwards from Abel & Mary or forwards from John & Mary Ann
Title: Re: Bastard Norfolk and Northumberland
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 23 January 19 21:10 GMT (UK)
Sorry that's sent before I was finished typing!!

GG Grandparents
Frances Mary bastard born 1871 North shields
Christopher Henderson born 1869

GGG grandparents
John bastard born 1828 Blakeney Norfolk
Mary Ann Stamp born1833

GGGG grandparents
Abel bastard born 1786 Norfolk
Mary Craske born 1786

Thanks x

That occurred to me after I posted.
I noticed Bastard name in Norfolk in 1600s. Was also written with letter e at end. It looks more polite ending in e.
Does your computer keep correcting Bastard to bastard?  :)
Title: Re: Bastard Norfolk and Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Wednesday 23 January 19 21:27 GMT (UK)

Are you trying to go backwards from Abel & Mary or forwards from John & Mary Ann

I've been going forwards from John and   Mary Ann ... onto Abel and Mary x
Title: Re: Bastard Norfolk and Northumberland
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 23 January 19 22:28 GMT (UK)
You are already going forwards having stared with Abel & Mary then onto John & Mary Ann then Frances Mary and forwards to whichever of her children you are descended from.

You don’t appear to have anything prior to Abel & Mary - is that correct?  There is a tree on Family Search which shows Abel’s parents as William Bastard and Mary Bishop both b 1860.  Abel died 1852

Can you tell us if you already have details of Frances & Christopher from the 1891-1911 censuses?  If not - they are available free on Family Search www.familysearch.org
Title: Re: Bastard Norfolk and Northumberland
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 23 January 19 22:49 GMT (UK)
1841 has him as Abel Barstad living in Barney Norfolk.  All b Norfolk

Abel 50. Labourer
Mary 55
William 20
John 10
Sarah 9

HO107 piece 772/1 Folio 3  Page 5
Title: Re: Bastard Norfolk and Northumberland
Post by: candrjm on Saturday 26 January 19 12:29 GMT (UK)
Marriage:

County    Norfolk
Place    Barney
Church name    St Mary
Register type    Archdeacon's Transcripts
Register entry number    77
Marriage date    28 Sep 1807
Groom forename    Abel
Groom surname    BASTARD
Groom condition    Bachelor
Bride forename    Mary
Bride surname    CRASKE
Bride condition    Spinster
Witness1 forename    William
Witness1 surname    COLMAN
Witness2 forename    Elizabeth
Witness2 surname    COOPER

Possible death for Mary:

BASTARD, MARY  ANN      aged 66 
GRO Reference: 1847  M Quarter in WALSINGHAM UNION  Volume 13  Page 286    
Burial:
Name    Mary Ann Bastard
Gender    Female
Burial Date    21 Mar 1847
Burial Place    Barney, Norfolk, England
 
Possible death for Abel:

BASTARD, ABEL        aged 66      
GRO Reference: 1852  J Quarter in WALSINGHAM UNION  Volume 04B  Page 215

Burial:
Name    Abel Bastard
Event Type    Burial
Event Date    11 Apr 1852
Event Place    Barney, Norfolk, England
Gender    Male
Age    66
Birth Year (Estimated)    1786

Possible 1851 census for Abel:

Able Bas Land
England and Wales Census, 1851
Name    Able Bas Land
Event Type    Census
Event Date    1851
Event Place    Barney, Norfolk, England
Registration District    Walsingham
Residence Note    Street
Gender    Male
Age    65
Occupation    Ag Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household    Lodger
Birth Year (Estimated)    1786
Birthplace    Barney, Norfolk
Page Number    11
Registration Number    HO107
Piece/Folio    1826 / 435
Affiliate Record Type    Household
Household
   
William Baby    Head    M    30    Billingford, Norfolk
Mary Baby    Wife    F    26    Colkirk, Norfolk
Ann Mary Baby    Daughter    F    5    Colkirk, Norfolk
George Baby    Son    M    4    Colkirk, Norfolk
Susanna Baby    Daughter    F    2    Barney, Norfolk
Able Bas Land    Lodger    M    65    Barney, Norfolk<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
John Wright    Lodger    M    22    Barney, Norfolk

There is this tree on the  familysearch website that has your ancestors John Barstard, Abel and Mary Bastard (nee Craske) and others in that might be worth a look.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:39HD-FR3
Title: Re: Bastard Norfolk and Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Saturday 26 January 19 20:16 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for this info! I will also have a look at the tree suggested

Lisa x