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Title: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: theostler on Thursday 24 January 19 13:48 GMT (UK)
Hi all,

I wonder if someone can shed light on where Stevenson Place, Baillieston might have been in 1899?

My GGF, Arthur Hoggan, died there in 1899 and all efforts to work out where it may have been have drawn a blank.

He was listed on the Death Certificate as being a Newspaper Correspondent and any info on that would be a huge help as well.

Many thanks in advance,

Steven
Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: Falkyrn on Thursday 24 January 19 15:08 GMT (UK)
Stevenson Place does not appear in any of the directories for the period but they do have a Stevenson Street although it is not in Baillieston but slightly further west in the Calton area.

Added : I've checked the 1913 map of the area I have and there is no sign of a Stevenson Place although there are several small un-named streets shown.
Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: Kay99 on Thursday 24 January 19 15:22 GMT (UK)
On the 1901 Arthur's widow Jane is living at Stevenson Place Ballieston and on the 1901 census  it was next door to Main Street but I can't see it marked on this map  :-\  https://maps.nls.uk/view/82891935#zoom=4&lat=9711&lon=11712&layers=BT

Kay
Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: Falkyrn on Thursday 24 January 19 15:37 GMT (UK)
It's possible that Stevenson Place was on Main Street - one of the blocks of flats built there and set back slightly from the road. Builders of that period could basically call their buildings anything they wanted.
Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: theostler on Thursday 24 January 19 17:29 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all replies.  I kind of suspected I might not be able to track it down directly as I have had a look at the NLS maps for the area.

I do know that his son, George, was born in 1872 in Penders Row or Lane  (which I believe to have been on Buchanan Street, approx Nr 45) and his wife, Jane, died on Longlee in 1922 which was just off Buchanan Street, so perhaps it was somewhere in that area.

Thanks again for all replies, it's greatly appreciated.

Steven
Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: doddsie4 on Thursday 24 January 19 21:21 GMT (UK)
        On the Valuation Rolls for 1895-96, it gives Arthur Hoggan living at 9 Stevenson Place, Baillieston.     He is an "Agent" - which doesn't tell you much.       

         I went to school in Buchanan Street in the 1950's, and I was wondering about the area on Main Street between Buchanan Street and Scott Street.        Those houses are not tenements, like the majority still standing on Main Street.    They are a different type of house altogether.     Looking at them now, they have obviously been built at a more recent time than the tenements.      Like Falkyrn, I am thinking that Stevenson Place was there on or set back from the Main Street.

          Yet, on the other hand, on the Valuation Rolls, just to confuse matters, Arthur Hoggan is at Penders Row in 1875, so as Penders Row was in Buchanan Street, was Stevenson Place also there - who knows?

           There is a site: "Scottish Mining Website - Old Monkland Conditions of Miners.     If you scroll down, it has Penders Row.       From memory, I think it said it was between 45 and 67 Buchanan Street.     

            Jane Hoggan was at 24 Stevenson Place in 1905.       [Sometimes the name is spelt Hogan, other times it is Hoggan]

             I am in two minds whether Stevenson Place was in Buchanan Street or on the Main Street.
Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: bravaal on Sunday 27 January 19 16:23 GMT (UK)
Hi,
    There is a red building just off the Main Street in Baillieston and today it is called Muiredge Terrace
 The building was built by my wife's great grandfather and his name was John Stevenson.
 Not beyond the realms of probability "Stevenson's Place"

 I lived in the building in the early 70's
Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: theostler on Sunday 27 January 19 19:15 GMT (UK)
Hi bravaal,

fantastic info and based on the 1901 census street index, seems to be a very plausible match.

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files/research/census-records/street-indexes/1901/1901-old-monkland.pdf

Thanks so much for taking the time to reply.

Steven
Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: doddsie4 on Sunday 27 January 19 21:38 GMT (UK)
        I tried this:   I went onto the Valuation Rolls on Scotlands People.     I went to  1905  and filled in, Surname: Stevenson.   County: Lanark.     Parish: Old Monkland.   Place: Baillieston.     Then clicked search, and a John Stevenson came up, living at Muiredge Terrace, Westend, Baillieston.

        I haven't opened it yet.     Need credits.     Will do it tomorrow. 

        Wonder if John Stevenson was a Landlord or whatever?
Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 27 January 19 22:23 GMT (UK)
Doddsie, from the entry you mention from 1905, John Stevenson is showing as Proprietor and Occupier on the index.

Monica
Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 27 January 19 22:26 GMT (UK)
Following this....

1915 shows John Stevenson as proprietor of Nos. 10 - 12 - 14 - 16. He looks to have been occupying No. 14. The entries give the address as:

MUIRSIDE ROAD MUIREDGE TERRACE BAILLIESTON

Monica

Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: doddsie4 on Sunday 27 January 19 22:51 GMT (UK)
Monica,
           On the 1905, I am not certain but I think the way it reads, John Stevenson, Miner,  may be Propretor of numbers 5, 6, 7, 8.     

           And I have just been looking at the 1915 Rolls, probably at the same time of you, and there were quite a few Stevensons living there, and John Stevenson seems to be Proprietor of 10, 12, 14, and 16.       I think I can see why it might be talked about as being "Stevenson's Place" instead of Muiredge Terrace.

           I went through 91 pages of the 1915 Rolls, searching for "Stevenson's Place" and I didn't see it.      So maybe Muiredge Terrace is correct.

           I live only a mile from that building and when I was a boy, I used to be able to take a short-cut through a large underpass that cuts right under the houses like a tunnel.   The short-cut brought you out onto Main Street, Baillieston right next to the house named "Edelweiss" where the Templetons used to live..     You can't take that short-cut any more!
Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 27 January 19 23:04 GMT (UK)
Agree, makes sense doesn't it why it would be called Stevenson's place.

By 1925, his estate was growing! Now shows as:

10 - 12 - 14 - 16a to 16e - 18

Monica
Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: bravaal on Monday 28 January 19 09:18 GMT (UK)
 As stated previous John Stevenson built the houses at Muiredge terrace, Hi initials JS and a date are on the building. I am told by my wife, who was born in No1, and is his great grandaughter that he lost his arm in a mining accident which enabled him to erect the building.

 billy
Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 28 January 19 13:05 GMT (UK)
Billy, it was your info that led doddsie to do further searches  :) Thank you for adding these details.

Monica
Title: Re: Help please - Stevenson Place, Baillieston - 1899
Post by: theostler on Monday 28 January 19 14:07 GMT (UK)
This has been a fascinating wee journey.  Thanks to all for your assistance. 
Steven