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Title: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: Salty on Thursday 24 January 19 14:54 GMT (UK): My gg grandmother was Sarah PITTOCK b 1831 Walmer, Kent, who had my g grandfather Henry William PITTOCK out of wedlock in 1851 in Deal, Kent.

In 1853 Sarah married James JUDGE in Deal. James was in the Rifle Brigade and they went off to India where they had at least five children. He was apparently born in Ireland in c1830

I cannot find any trace of any of them in the UK after this, but through a contact from DNA on Ancestry I have been informed that James aged 46 with children Arthur age 20, Mary Jane age 18 and Elizabeth age 11 all arrived in New York on a ship called SPAIN on 23rd February 1881

There were two other children Charles Richard b 1861 and Frederick George b 1864. All the children were born in India. There could possibly be another called Alfred, but no other details known.

Is it possible that one of you wonderful people can find the whereabouts of Sarah and the other two children please.

Did they die in India or did they get back to the UK? Where did the ship SPAIN sail from to take the family to New York.

I understand that James became at least a Sgt in the Rifle Brigade and was awarded the Indian Mutiny Medal with the Lucknow clasp in 1859.

Thank you for at least reading this.

Tom
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 15:40 GMT (UK): Port of departure for the Spain - Port of Departure Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland

Nothing on Sarah so far. Last birth seems to be Elizabeth Gertude 23 January 1868

Alfred John Judge - 3 March 1866 christening date - 8 March 1866 - Agra, Bengal, India

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG69-GJM

All the births on the family search site

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nan/

Sanda
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:12 GMT (UK): There is a marriage for Charles Judge born 1861 India - 8 Oct 1884 Lowell, Penobscot, Massachusetts. Spouse Mary A Kennedy - Father James and mother Sarah J

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWBN-M83

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:14 GMT (UK): Voters register for November 1892 - shows Charles R Judge - Chelmsford, Massachusetts - age 31 years - born East India - residence date 8 Nove 1892 - occupation overseer

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:16 GMT (UK): 1900 census    Chelmsford, Middlesex, Massachusetts

Charles ?? Judge 38 born East Indies. Imm 1880. married 1884. Overseeer (US Brating)
Mary A Judge   42
James Kennedy   72 born Ireland. widowed father-in-law.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9TM-FB6

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:18 GMT (UK): 1910 Gorham Street Chelmsford Precinct 1, Middlesex, Massachusetts.

Charles R Judge 48 bprn Pacific Islands. NA. Imm 1882. Overseer woollen mill.
Mary A Judge 52

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2VQ-PY7

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:19 GMT (UK): 1920 census Gorham St Chelmsford, Middlesex, Massachusetts.

Charles R Judge   58 born India. Imm 1880. Turster woolen mill.
Mary A Judge   60

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXBV-PMC

1930 census    Chelmsford, Middlesex, Massachusetts,

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQG1-YFZ

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:21 GMT (UK): Charles was the son of James and Sarah Judge. He was born in East India. He married Mary Kennedy on 8 Oct 1884 in Lowell, Middlesex County, MA. They had no children.

FIND A GRAVE

Charles R Judge - 1862 - 29 June 1932

burial - Pine Ridge Cemetery Chelmsford, Middlesex County, Massachusetts.
Plot PR/A-356-1

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18179064

spouse Mary A Kennedy - 1858 - 1934

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18179065/mary-a_-judge

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVVK-KLWQ

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:26 GMT (UK): Naturalization for Charles Richard Judge - born 16 August 1861 - naturalized 1888

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VXRM-NDC

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:30 GMT (UK): Frederick Judge married Sadie Wetherhead Lowell, Massachusetts 16 December 1891 - Lowell MA - father James mother Sarah A

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCCJ-1ZQ

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:40 GMT (UK): 1900 Pierpoint Peabody, Essex, Massachusetts.

Frederick G Judge 35 born Dec 1864 - Imm 1881 - married 1892 - glove finisher.
Sarah Judge   30 born MA.
Sidney G Judge   7
Percy E Judge   4

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9R8-H9S

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:42 GMT (UK): 1910 Pierpoint Peabody, Essex, Massachusetts.

Frederick G Judge 45
Sarah J Judge   39
Sydney G Judge   17
Percy E Judge   14

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2JN-VBQ

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:43 GMT (UK): 1920 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXY5-1G9

1930 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQLB-GKX

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:45 GMT (UK): Frederick G Judge - born 4 December 1864 - naturalization 28 November 1887

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-ZH1J-R?i=202&cc=1840474

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:48 GMT (UK): Massachusetts, Mason Membership Cards - Frederick G Judge - 4 December 1864 - passed away 8 May 1930 - Peabody essex MA. Iniated 5/2/1908 - passed 11/3/1908 - membership 15/4/1908
occupation supt.

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:53 GMT (UK): Son Percy E Judge born 17 July 1895 - Lowell, Massachusetts. Middle iniatial E = Eldon.

WW1 Draft - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZNF-YBV

WW2 Draft - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V12F-T3K

1940 census Percy with widowed mother Sarah

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4X2-31B

Percy passed away 15 August 1978 Peabody MA

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VZYS-6TK

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:56 GMT (UK): Son of Frederick and Sarah - Sidney G Judge - 1920 census Harwell Pk    Middleton, Essex, Massachusetts.

Sidney born 8 September 1892

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FXW7-YQ4

Sidney G Judge   27
Martha A Judge   29
Carl A Judge   9
Eadon F Judge   4
Sidney G Judge   3

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXYP-5L2

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 16:58 GMT (UK): 1930 Middleton, Essex, Massachusetts.

Sidney G Judge   37
Martha A Judge   39
Eldon F Judge   14
Arthur C Judge   3
Madelyn N Judge   1

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQLY-XZD

1940 census Middleton Town, Essex, Massachusetts. (under Gudge on anc)

Sidney Gudge   47
Maitha Gudge   49
Eldon Gudge   25
Sidney G Gudge   24
Arthur Gudge   13
Madelyn Gudge   11
Carl Arrington   29

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4XV-C9L

Sidney Jnr - WW2 Draft - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K85B-SL7

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:08 GMT (UK): Norman - 9 year old son of Sidney G Judge killed by truck

The Boston Globe (Boston, Massachusetts) - 8 Aug 1928, Wed - Main Edition - Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27589289/norman_son_of_sidney_judge/

birth - 3 March 1920

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLGR-X4N5

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:13 GMT (UK): Madelyn Norma Judge married in 1950

Madelyn N Judge Shattuck daughter of Sidney and Martha

FIND A GRAVE

Sunny Plain Cemetery Bradford, Merrimack County, New Hampshire.
plot 1A-14#5

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/83377991

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:16 GMT (UK): Arthur C. Judge 17 February 1927 - 16 March 2001 Last Residence 46226 Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana. SSN issued Massachusetts (Before 1951)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VMFG-665

FIND A GRAVE

Washington Park East Cemetery Indianapolis, Marion County, Indiana.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/121368122

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:18 GMT (UK): Eldon Judge son of Sidney and Martha - born 18 Jul 1915 June 1985 - Last Residence
01463 Pepperell, Middlesex, Massachusetts. SSN issued Massachusetts (Before 1951)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JK6Y-N27

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:25 GMT (UK): James Judge - born 1829 - passed away 8 August 1891 Lowell MA - father Richard - mother Elizabeth

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FHBK-52Q

FIND A GRAVE

Edson Cemetery Lowell, Middlesex County, Massachusetts.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47472374

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVK2-G9ZT

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:30 GMT (UK): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG37-69Q

Arthur Henry Judge married Ellen Mc Elroy 20 November 1886 Lowell MA -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FH52-BXB

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:32 GMT (UK): 1900 census Manchester Ward 7, Hillsborough, New Hampshire.

Arthur Judge   39 Ellen Judge   28
Albert H Judge   12 Arthur W Judge 10
Fredk G Judge   10 Sarah J Judge 8
Mabel E Judge   5 Ellen G Judge   2

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3YC-QJF

Shout if you want to follow Arthur's children.

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:33 GMT (UK): 1910 census Prospect Street Willimantic Ward 2, Windham, Connecticut.

Arthur H Judge   50 Ellen Judge   47
Albert H Judge   21 Arthur W Judge 20
Fred S Judge   20 Sarah J Judge 17
Mabel E Judge   15 Ellen S Judge 12
Arthur J Judge   9 Mary I Judge   5

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKL9-4B8

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:35 GMT (UK): FIND A GRAVE

Arthur H Judge

18 July 1860 - 1 May 1917

New Willimantic Cemetery Willimantic, Windham County, Connecticut

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/285332/new-willimantic-cemetery

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV22-JY2J

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:46 GMT (UK): Mary Jane Judge married William Powell in Lowell MA - 8 March 1883 -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FH2M-2K3

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:48 GMT (UK): 1900 census Peabody, Essex, Massachusetts

William Powell   37 Mary J Powell   37
Elizabeth G Powell 16 William J Powell   13
Charles J Powell   10 Mary J Powell   9
Ruth W Powell   2 Harold S Powell 1 month

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9R8-HMN

Shout if you want to follow the Powell family

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:49 GMT (UK): 1910 census Peabody, Essex, Massachusetts.

William Powell   47 Mary J Powell   47
Elizabeth G Powell   26 Charles J Powell   20
Mary J Powell   19 Ruth W Powell   11
Harold S Powell   10

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2JN-VYG

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:53 GMT (UK): 1920 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXY5-L81

Mary Jane Powell passed away 1926 Peabody Essex MA.

Nothing on Elizabeth Gertude Judge daughter of james and Sarah born 23 January 1868

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGQ8-BLV

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:59 GMT (UK): On the petition for Alfred S Judge 2 December 1887 - Lowell MA - Petition Age 21 years
Birth Date 3 Feb 1866 Agra East Indies
Arrival Date 12 Sep 1881 Boston - Petition Number 266

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: RJ137 on Thursday 24 January 19 18:02 GMT (UK): Quote from: Salty on Thursday 24 January 19 14:54 GMT (UK)

I cannot find any trace of any of them in the UK after this, but through a contact from DNA on Ancestry I have been informed that James aged 46 with children Arthur age 20, Mary Jane age 18 and Elizabeth age 11 all arrived in New York on a ship called SPAIN on 23rd February 1881

There were two other children Charles Richard b 1861 and Frederick George b 1864. All the children were born in India. There could possibly be another called Alfred, but no other details known.

Their son Arthur died in 1917. His obit list the name of wife, children as well as his siblings.

Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27591362/arthur_h_judge_obit/

Funeral: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27591325/arthur_h_judge_funeral/
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 18:15 GMT (UK): James Judge - England, United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Membership Registers, 1751-1921
James Judge born 1829 - iniated age 50 years - Initiation Date 4 Feb 1879
First Payment Year on Register 1879
Profession Lieutenant - mLodge Excelsior Lodge Lodge Location Dugshai Punjab East Indies - Lodge Number 1722 - Folio Number 19

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 19:13 GMT (UK): Quote from: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 17:25 GMT (UK)

James Judge - born 1829 - passed away 8 August 1891 Lowell MA - father Richard - mother Elizabeth

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FHBK-52Q

FIND A GRAVE

Edson Cemetery Lowell, Middlesex County, Massachusetts.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47472374

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVK2-G9ZT

Sandra

The Boston Globe (Boston, Massachusetts) 10 Aug 1891, Mon - Main Edition - Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27594139/the_boston_globe/

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 19:25 GMT (UK): Perhaps this is Lizzie G Judge born 1868 and aged 19 years - married Lowell massachusetts 14 September 1887 to William Walker. Father James.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FH5L-8S4

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 19:28 GMT (UK): Birth of Doris M Walker 1898 and died 11 June 1901 aged 3 years - Lowell, Massachusetts.
Father William and mother Lizzie G Judge.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWXH-SVX

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 19:30 GMT (UK): 1900 census Lincoln Street Lowell Massachusetts

William H Walker 35
Elizabeth Walker 32 born British East Indies.
Isabell G Walker 7 born June 1892
Doris M Walker 2 born August 1897

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9T4-K5V

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 19:32 GMT (UK): 19o10 census Lowell Ward 8, Middlesex, Massachusetts.

Wiliam H Walker 46 and Elizabeth G Walker 41
Isabel Walker 17 and Douglas J Walker 8

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2VF-5NC

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 24 January 19 19:34 GMT (UK): 1920 Lowell Ward 8, Middlesex, Massachusetts.

William H Walker 54 Elizabeth G Walker 50
Isabelle G Smith 24

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MX19-L1T

1930 Chicopee, Hampden, Massachusetts.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQG7-6TW

1940 Ward 5, Chicopee, Chicopee City, Hampden, Massachusetts.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4XT-TMS

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: Salty on Friday 25 January 19 09:38 GMT (UK): Sandra,

What on earth can I say, totally in awe with all of this information. Thank you very, very, very much.

There is one little thing that is a bit worrying is that in my original message I did not put Sarah's middle name in which is Sarah Ann PITTOCK.

In your second message about Charles marrying Mary A, you have the parents names ass James and Sarah J.

I really am sorry if you have done all that for nothing. I will hang my head in shame.

Tom
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: Gadget on Friday 25 January 19 10:32 GMT (UK): Hi

I've just found a possible death in Roscommon, Westmeath for Sarah Ann(e), which might fit with James's army service:

1873 Sarah Anne Judge, aged 41, Athlone, Q2, Vol 8, page 1

The full cert is not showing on the Irish genealogy site but here's a link to the entry

https://tinyurl.com/ycjexxwk

You might have to go through the captcha test to see it!

Gadget

Add - it's also on FindMyPast, Irish records.
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: Gadget on Friday 25 January 19 11:06 GMT (UK): There seems to be some refs to the Brigade being in Ireland circa 1873:

https://archive.org/details/historyofriflebr00cope/page/478

and a few pages before after.

Gadget

Added - Kingstown = Dun Laoghaire
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: Salty on Friday 25 January 19 12:25 GMT (UK): Hi Gadget,

Thank you very much for that. Between you, you have given me lots to have a look at and digest.

I am a member of Find my past, but when I have tried entering Sarah's details, I do not get that back Hmmmm.

Appreciated very much.

Tom
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: Gadget on Friday 25 January 19 13:22 GMT (UK): Sandra did all the family work :)

I just saw that you'd corrected her name to Sarah Ann, so did a search on that with her birth year +/- and searched World records for a death 1876 +/- 5.

I was expecting a death in India, if anywhere, but the Irish one came up and that clicked with some of my family's service records. I then checked the Irish site.

Gadget
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: Gadget on Friday 25 January 19 13:28 GMT (UK): If you want to get a death cert to check, here's the link from the site:

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do

Gadget
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: Gadget on Friday 25 January 19 13:36 GMT (UK): Just found it on FS as well:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRYZ-TPR

Gadget
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 25 January 19 14:36 GMT (UK): Quote from: Salty on Friday 25 January 19 09:38 GMT (UK)
Sandra,

What on earth can I say, totally in awe with all of this information. Thank you very, very, very much.

There is one little thing that is a bit worrying is that in my original message I did not put Sarah's middle name in which is Sarah Ann PITTOCK.

In your second message about Charles marrying Mary A, you have the parents names ass James and Sarah J.

I really am sorry if you have done all that for nothing. I will hang my head in shame.

Tom

Hi Tom,

Thank you for your kind comments - team work plays a part in all these good threads.
Regarding the middle initial for Sarah, you can take that with a pinch of salt - mistakes happen, mis-transcriptions, informant info - I think in general it still all pointed to your family.
Delighted that Gadget pinpointed a death record for Sarah, I fully expected it to be India and not Ireland ;)
Hope you enjoy putting all the family info together.

Regards
Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 25 January 19 15:01 GMT (UK): 1851 census Barracks Dover Castle Dover shows James Judge - born 1829 - soldier born St Marys, Westmeath, Ireland.

Sandra
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: Gadget on Friday 25 January 19 15:30 GMT (UK): Quote from: *Sandra* on Friday 25 January 19 14:36 GMT (UK)

Regarding the middle initial for Sarah, you can take that with a pinch of salt - mistakes happen, mis-transcriptions, informant info - I think in general it still all pointed to your family.

Totally agree. I checked for a birth/baptism for Charles Richard and found a baptism for him in Agra, Bengal, 18 Sept 1861. Parents James and Sarah Ann. Father listed as Sergeant, Commissariat Dept.

This date fits well with his date/place of birth on the link that Sandra gave*.

Gadget

*Added - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9TM-FB6 (August 1861)
Title: Re: JUDGE family, where and when?
Post by: Salty on Saturday 26 January 19 08:44 GMT (UK): Thank you again to both of you. Sandra for the main part I do agree Gadget, but also for me was where Sarah was. she was important too.

Thank you very much

Tom

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