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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: a chesters on Friday 25 January 19 23:25 GMT (UK)
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I have Arthur Davis in my family, supposedly born in Camberwell, Surrey, in the December quarter of 1858.
In the 1861 census, he is with parents Thomas and Elizabeth Davis, at 1 Clifton Place, Lambeth with an age of 3
In the 1871 census, he is with parents Thomas and Elizabeth Davis at 3 Victoria Street, Lambeth, with an age of 13, and an occupation of clerk.
In 1875, he marries, aged 21, as per the marriage certificate, with an address of Spring Gardens, Lambeth. There is no information regarding if they were of the parish.
In the 1881 census, he is with his second “wife”, at 20 Manor St, Southwark, aged 30.
In the 1891 census, he is with his second “wife”, at 246-248 Hackney Road Bethnal Green, aged 33!
In the 1901 census he is at 246-248 Hackney Road, Bethnal Green, aged 43, with his second “wife”
In the 1911 census, he is with his daughter and son in law at 10 Sirdar Road, Wood Green, aged 55.
The ONLY consistent thing I can find, is in all the census information, he states his birth place as Camberwell, Surrey.
I have checked the GRO for his birth, which gives his mothers maiden name as Hastings.
DAVIS, ARTHUR HASTINGS
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 276
I have his parents as Thomas Davis, aged 40 at marriage, and his mother as Elizabeth Butler, aged 29 at marriage.
Any assistance in locating his birth information would be very gratefully received, as I have found him to be somewhat elusive.
A Chesters
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It sounds as though you have already (provisionally at least) found his birth?
Have you checked Elizabeth Butler’s marital status when she married Thomas Davis? At 29 she might have had a first marriage behind her, and been born Elizabeth Hastings?
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Scratch that. Now that I have looked at it, it’s clear you have alighted on the wrong birth registration.
His siblings in the 1861 census can be found at birth with mmn Pudney.
So: Arthur Davis, mmn Pudney, birth reg Sep qtr 1857 Lambeth 1d 330.
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When was the marriage that you found?
Possible early children in the marriage:
Elizabeth Davis mmn Pudney, Sep qtr 1840 Halstead
Ellen Davis mmn Pudney, Dec qtr 1842 Lambeth
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Thomas Davis marr Elz Pudney at Braintree, 1834 (Boyd’s Marriage Index).
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Yes, I agree Mothers maiden name was PUDNEY.
Why do you think the first marriage edit to Kate WARD ( I have looked at the certificate) is for your man?
Yes, the father's name is Thomas. What else?
Sue
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Possibly because of son in 1891?
DAVIS, WALTER ARTHUR WARD
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 271
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Also:
Ellen Alice Davis, mmn Ward, birth reg Mar qtr 1879 Lambeth 1d 548.
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Another?
Thomas Edward Davis, mmn Ward, Mar qtr 1880 Lambeth 1d 568.
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Thank you all for your interest and help.
Mckha489, that is the son of Arthur and Kate, as per the birth certificate I have.
Avm228, thank you for all your help. Ellen Alice is my grandmother, and I have both my mothers and grandmothers birth certificates which all prove that Arthur Davis is my GGrandfather. Unfortunately, I do not have a birth certificate for Arthur, for obvious reasons.
Thomas Edward Davis I am not at all sure about, not having found any thing about him so far.
Having checked all the children of Thomas and Elizabeth on the GRO site, I fully accept that Elizabeth Pudney is the mother I am looking for. I did not have knowledge of the GRO site when I first searched for Arthur, otherwise I might have had a different result.
The one consistent data about the mother, Elizabeth, was in the birthplace of Braintree, which threw me off regarding the correct Elizabeth, as I could not find a birth detail for Elizabeth Butler.
I will now have to do some work on my family tree to update it to the new information you have all provided.
Again many thanks to all of you for your interest and help.
AC
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I note that Walter and Ellen are with their paternal grandparents in Chelmsford in 1881.
I think his second 'wife' was a Sarah Masters who was in Newington in 1871 although I can find no marriage between her and Arthur (can't find a death for Kate either).
Annette
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I note that Walter and Ellen are with their paternal grandparents in Chelmsford in 1881.
I think his second 'wife' was a Sarah Masters who was in Newington in 1871 although I can find no marriage between her and Arthur (can't find a death for Kate either).
Annette
Annette, that is another of the problems I have been having with Arthur.
The closest I can find regarding Kate's death is in Dover, but cannot be at all certain that it is the correct person.
I will have to have a go at finding out more about Sarah, but as she is not a direct ancestor, I have not followed her up so far.
I will admit that much of the information I acquired was before I got onto Ancestry, at the library and then at home. I am also grateful for Rootschatters for pointing out the GRO site which I have only recently found out about, and which has dis/proved certain births.
Again, thank you for your help.
AC