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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: yeahyeah121212 on Monday 28 January 19 14:19 GMT (UK)
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Hello, I’ve been looking around and cannot seem to find anything on my ancestor William Webb. Could someone please go back on him a bit. He was born 1716 and died 1790. He was married to an Elizabeth Webb, and was most likely around Hampshire, but I’m not sure for certain. One of his sons was Thomas Webb, born 22 dec 1753, died 10 mar 1793. Thomas was married to Mary glarle and there is a record of him being an innkeeper at the Fox inn in 1784.
Thank you
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One of his sons was Thomas Webb, born 22 dec 1753, died 10 mar 1793. Thomas was married to Mary glarle and there is a record of him being an innkeeper at the Fox inn in 1784.
Where was he born
Where did he marry
Where was the Fox Inn
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One of his sons was Thomas Webb, born 22 dec 1753, died 10 mar 1793. Thomas was married to Mary glarle and there is a record of him being an innkeeper at the Fox inn in 1784.
Where was he born
Where did he marry
Where was the Fox Inn
That is the problem. Most likely the answer to this question would be Hampshire, or anything around it if not that, not sure though.
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You say that you don't know where Thomas Webb was born, who he married or where The Fox Inn was, and I'm also assuming you don't know where he died. BUT you have stated precise dates for baptism and burial, plus the name of his bride, and a year of 1784 for being at the Fox Inn - so, simple question, where did you get these precise dates from?
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You say that you don't know where Thomas Webb was born, who he married or where The Fox Inn was, and I'm also assuming you don't know where he died. BUT you have stated precise dates for baptism and burial, plus the name of his bride, and a year of 1784 for being at the Fox Inn - so, simple question, where did you get these precise dates from?
I said who had married, and I’m getting all this information from a family tree.
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I think we need to look at this from a different angle, where do you have your Webbs on the 1841/51 census and who are they
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OK, I've found the tree, at least I think I have. :-\ And I would, personally, have my doubts about some of the information. :-[
I'd agree with rosie99, that a different approach is preferable.
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I think we need to look at this from a different angle, where do you have your Webbs on the 1841/51 census and who are they
There is a Joseph Webb born 1819 died 1898 who should be on there. He married Martha and Louisa Gear who were sisters, and was a butcher living in romsey, Hampshire.
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OK, I've found the tree, at least I think I have. :-\ And I would, personally, have my doubts about some of the information. :-[
I'd agree with rosie99, that a different approach is preferable.
Thank you
Could you send me a link to the tree or give me something to be able to view it? Or possibly give me the information I have requested on there? Again, thank you.
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The trees are on Ancestry and I would agree with BumbleB that some of the information is dubious.
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The trees are on Ancestry and I would agree with BumbleB that some of the information is dubious.
Unfortunately I am unable to access the trees on ancestry as I don’t have a subscription. Do you know a possible alternative?
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What information do Joseph's marriages give for his father
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What information do Joseph's marriages give for his father
Joseph’s father was William Webb who married Ann Webb, William was born 1783 and died 1857. His father was Thomas Webb, whose father is William who I am trying to search further from.
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The tree - use Ancestry and search for Thomas Webb, born 1753 - England family trees. The tree I refer to has him married to "Mary Gearle?"
Sorry to see that you do not have access. :'(
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The tree - use Ancestry and search for Thomas Webb, born 1753 - England family trees. The tree I refer to has him married to "Mary Gearle?"
Sorry to see that you do not have access. :'(
Yes that is the correct Webb family. Is there any people going back further than Thomas’ father William? Like Williams father or anything?
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1841 census - HO107/401/10 folio 17 page 22
Romsey
Joseph Webb - 22 - Butcher
Martha - 22
Martha - 1
1851 - HO107/1671 folio 169 page 20 - Bell Street, Romsey
Joseph Webb - 33 - Innkeeper
Martha - 33
Martha - 11
William - 9
Mary - 7
George - 5
Tom - 1
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1841 census - HO107/401/10 folio 17 page 22
Romsey
Joseph Webb - 22 - Butcher
Martha - 22
Martha - 1
1851 - HO107/1671 folio 169 page 20 - Bell Street, Romsey
Joseph Webb - 33 - Innkeeper
Martha - 33
Martha - 11
William - 9
Mary - 7
George - 5
Tom - 1
Yes that’s definitely my family. Do you know about what I asked though, if it goes back further than Joseph’s grandfather William?
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OK - according to the tree -
William Webb - 1716 - 1798
Elizabeth Dummer - 1719 - 1777
William Webb - 1694 -
Unknown
Added: But I, personally, would not put too much trust in the information given. :-X :-X
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OK - according to the tree -
William Webb - 1716 - 1798
Elizabeth Dummer - 1719 - 1777
William Webb - 1694 -
Unknown
Added: But I, personally, would not put too much trust in the information given. :-X :-X
Ah thank you, is there any locations that these people are at? Or any more fathers of the William who is Williams father?
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In 1851 William & Ann Webb are in Romsey - William 67 and Ann 70.
You say that William Webb married Ann Webb, where and when was this.
William was baptised 12 Nov 1783, parents Thomas & Mary ;D
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Elizabeth Dummer - Romsey, birth and death
William Webb - born Westbury, died Romsey
William (1694) no information at all
Apologies - BUT again, this information requires verification. :)
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Elizabeth Dummer - Romsey, birth and death
William Webb - born Westbury, died Romsey
William (1694) no information at all
Apologies - BUT again, this information requires verification. :)
That seems about right. I’m guessing there is nothing else on William born 1694? Like his father or anything.
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In 1851 William & Ann Webb are in Romsey - William 67 and Ann 70.
You say that William Webb married Ann Webb, where and when was this.
William was baptised 12 Nov 1783, parents Thomas & Mary ;D
The tree says that Ann's maiden name was Wigg - but no details of marriage, birth or death.
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The marriage that the trees have for Thomas though I am not sure how they have linked it to your Thomas
10 Oct 1777
NETHER WALLOP
Thomas Webb
Mary Gearle
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The marriage that the trees have for Thomas though I am not sure how they have linked it to your Thomas
10 Oct 1777
NETHER WALLOP
Thomas Webb
Mary Gearle
That is defo right. So do you know if the tree goes back further?
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The marriage that the trees have for Thomas though I am not sure how they have linked it to your Thomas
10 Oct 1777
NETHER WALLOP
Thomas Webb
Mary Gearle
That is defo right. So do you know if the tree goes back further?
That cannot be right. William was baptised 12 Nov 1783, parents Thomas & Mary ;D
The Thomas & Mary (nee Gearle) who married at Nether Wallop were having children at Nether Wallop from 1778 until 1794
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The marriage that the trees have for Thomas though I am not sure how they have linked it to your Thomas
10 Oct 1777
NETHER WALLOP
Thomas Webb
Mary Gearle
That is defo right. So do you know if the tree goes back further?
That cannot be right. William was baptised 12 Nov 1783, parents Thomas & Mary ;D
The Thomas & Mary (nee Gearle) who married at Nether Wallop were having children at Nether Wallop from 1778 until 1794
Ohhhh I see
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The marriage that the trees have for Thomas though I am not sure how they have linked it to your Thomas
10 Oct 1777
NETHER WALLOP
Thomas Webb
Mary Gearle
That is defo right. So do you know if the tree goes back further?
That cannot be right. William was baptised 12 Nov 1783, parents Thomas & Mary ;D
The Thomas & Mary (nee Gearle) who married at Nether Wallop were having children at Nether Wallop from 1778 until 1794
Right hang on so I’m guessing you can’t go back further?
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I have not tried to go back further as I am now having some family time
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Looking at familysearch there is no baptism in Romsey that would fit William Webb bn 1716. The only two showing give baptism dates in 1735 & 1740.
Thomas who was baptised in 1753 could not have died in 1793 as he and Mary were still baptising children in 1798.
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I agree - but there is a burial at Romsey - Thomas Webb - 29 September 1833 - aged 80 (1753)- from the Hampshire GS transcriptions.
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And is this Mary - buried 7 May 1815 at Romsey - aged 62 (1753) ?
Or have I truly lost the plot and should be looking at Nether Wallop? :-[ :-[
And there are the following children baptised at Romsey - parents Thomas and Mary:
William - 12 November 1783
Mary - 26 December 1787
Thomas - 23 May 1790
Thomas Richard - 10 October 1792
George - 6 June 1798
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I agree - but there is a burial at Romsey - Thomas Webb - 29 September 1833 - aged 80 (1753)- from the Hampshire GS transcriptions.
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And is this Mary - buried 7 May 1815 at Romsey - aged 62 (1753) ?
Or have I truly lost the plot and should be looking at Nether Wallop? :-[ :-[
And there are the following children baptised at Romsey - parents Thomas and Mary:
William - 12 November 1783
Mary - 26 December 1787
Thomas - 23 May 1790
Thomas Richard - 10 October 1792
George - 6 June 1798
Those people it shows on my family tree - a few more on my family tree I think, but whoever you are looking at is the right person.
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We appear to have two couples of Thomas Webb and Mary :-\
Thomas Webb marries Mary Gearle at Nether Wallop - 10 October 1777
Baptisms at Nether Wallop - parents Thomas Webb and Mary
Richard - 11 January 1778
Thomas - 12 October 1779
Stephen - 15 March 1782
Sarah - 15 August 1784
Joseph - 11 February 1787
Mary - 27 November 1791
Susanna - 27 May 1794
And then we have the following baptisms at Romsey - parents Thomas and Mary
William - 12 November 1783
Mary - 26 December 1787
Thomas - 23 May 1790
Thomas Richard - 10 October 1792
George - 6 June 1798
So we have two distinct families, both have parents named Thomas and Mary, producing children in the same timescale. Which family is the correct one? :-\ Unfortunately we only have transcriptions of the parish entries (from Hampshire Genealogical Society) - perhaps the original documents may contain additional information to allow us to decide which is the correct family.
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We appear to have two couples of Thomas Webb and Mary :-\
Thomas Webb marries Mary Gearle at Nether Wallop - 10 October 1777
Baptisms at Nether Wallop - parents Thomas Webb and Mary
Richard - 11 January 1778
Thomas - 12 October 1779
Stephen - 15 March 1782
Sarah - 15 August 1784
Joseph - 11 February 1787
Mary - 27 November 1791
Susanna - 27 May 1794
And then we have the following baptisms at Romsey - parents Thomas and Mary
William - 12 November 1783
Mary - 26 December 1787
Thomas - 23 May 1790
Thomas Richard - 10 October 1792
George - 6 June 1798
So we have two distinct families, both have parents named Thomas and Mary, producing children in the same timescale. Which family is the correct one? :-\ Unfortunately we only have transcriptions of the parish entries (from Hampshire Genealogical Society) - perhaps the original documents may contain additional information to allow us to decide which is the correct family.
I believe the 2nd one. On my family tree, Thomas Webb who married Mary Glarle (most likely Gearle, could be some sort of mispelling) had the following children:
George Webb - 1798
James Webb - 1795
Thomas Richard Webb - 1792
Thomas Webb - 1790
Mary Pinnock (Webb) - 1787
William Webb - 1783
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Not a lot more I can say :'(
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Not a lot more I can say :'(
So you are not able to find out anything further back?
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No, sorry. And I might also need a lot more confirmation regarding Thomas Webb and Mary Gearle - if this was my family tree. :-\
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No, sorry. And I might also need a lot more confirmation regarding Thomas Webb and Mary Gearle - if this was my family tree. :-\
I am 99% sure this is my family, its on a tree that my Uncle made, where he put in months of research. So I take it the family tree that was found on ancestry was the wrong one?
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I'm sure that your uncle put in a lot of work - I'm not disputing that. The tree on Ancestry, again I have no knowledge of the owner's research.
But what I am querying, and IMO it needs confirmation from original parish records, is the fact that:
Thomas Webb and Mary Gearle marry in 1777 in Nether Wallop but then we have two separate families (both with parents of Thomas and Mary) producing children in the same timescale in both Nether Wallop and Romsey.
And you say that your uncle has cited the Romsey records in preference to the Nether Wallop records - he must have had a reason. In my own family histories I had a number of Thomas and Mary combinations, and it took a lot of work to sort them all out.
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Are you then saying that William Webb & Mary Gearle possibly had the following children :-\
Richard - 11 January 1778 (NW)
Thomas - 12 October 1779 (NW)
Stephen - 15 March 1782 (NW)
William - 12 November 1783 (Romsey)
Sarah - 15 August 1784 (NW)
Joseph - 11 February 1787 (NW)
Mary - 26 December 1787 (Romsey)
Thomas - 23 May 1790 (Romsey)
Mary - 27 November 1791 (NW)
Thomas Richard - 10 October 1792 (Romsey)
Susanna - 27 May 1794 (NW)
George - 6 June 1798 (Romsey)
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Are you then saying that William Webb & Mary Gearle possibly had the following children :-\
Richard - 11 January 1778 (NW)
Thomas - 12 October 1779 (NW)
Stephen - 15 March 1782 (NW)
William - 12 November 1783 (Romsey)
Sarah - 15 August 1784 (NW)
Joseph - 11 February 1787 (NW)
Mary - 26 December 1787 (Romsey)
Thomas - 23 May 1790 (Romsey)
Mary - 27 November 1791 (NW)
Thomas Richard - 10 October 1792 (Romsey)
Susanna - 27 May 1794 (NW)
George - 6 June 1798 (Romsey)
They did not have a Joseph, Susanna or Stephen for certain, not sure about the others. It is probably the family from romsey.
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They did not have a Joseph, Susanna or Stephen for certain, not sure about the others. It is probably the family from romsey.
Which would eliminate the Mary Gearle marriage
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A faint possibility :-\
There is a marriage - All Saints, Southampton - 22 February 1781 - Thomas Webb and Mary Redman, both of this parish by Banns.
I cannot see any baptisms of children of Thomas and Mary in Southampton. Romsey is about 10 miles from Southampton.
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Romsey is about 10 miles from Southampton.
That sounds reasonable - The alternative marriage already suggested in Nether Wallop would have been further than 10 miles from Romsey.
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A faint possibility :-\
There is a marriage - All Saints, Southampton - 22 February 1781 - Thomas Webb and Mary Redman, both of this parish by Banns.
I cannot see any baptisms of children of Thomas and Mary in Southampton. Romsey is about 10 miles from Southampton.
Could be possible yes, i am just going by what it says on the tree.
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Are you going to try and follow it through or do you still think that 'the tree' is right and we are on the wrong track
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Are you going to try and follow it through or do you still think that 'the tree' is right and we are on the wrong track
I honestly have no clue. I might go a little earlier and look at their parents etc. But if you can help at all that would be appreciated thanks.
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Are you going to try and follow it through or do you still think that 'the tree' is right and we are on the wrong track
Ah this post should also show what others have found of some of the information. (The whole thread)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=797420.msg6549333#msg6549333
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Perhaps if you post anything from that thread that you think is relevant to this search rather than get us to trawl through it :)
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Perhaps if you post anything from that thread that you think is relevant to this search rather than get us to trawl through it :)
I mean I don’t know I thought I had provided enough information in the first place. My uncle said that if I went back on this person (who is also my ancestor) it should be able to help him:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/vitals/MVBT-8V9
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The link in your last post refers to a Thomas Hillier b.1780 (no place mentioned) - what's that got to do with William Webb?
The burial of William Webb in 1790 at Romsey does not mention an age at death - so how do you know he was bc.1716 (at Westbury, Wilts.??) as mentioned earlier?
Annette
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The link in your last post refers to a Thomas Hillier b.1780 (no place mentioned) - what's that got to do with William Webb?
The burial of William Webb in 1790 at Romsey does not mention an age at death - so how do you know he was bc.1716 (at Westbury, Wilts.??) as mentioned earlier?
Annette
The Hillier family (who I have a lot of cousins from) have been linked with my Webb family for a very long time and I was just thinking it could help.
Do you think it would help if I downloaded the family tree as a file and sent it to you?
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Do you think it would help if I downloaded the family tree as a file and sent it to you?
Not generally a good idea as anyone else who is trying to help with this post cannot see it. :)
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The link in your last post refers to a Thomas Hillier b.1780 (no place mentioned) - what's that got to do with William Webb?
The burial of William Webb in 1790 at Romsey does not mention an age at death - so how do you know he was bc.1716 (at Westbury, Wilts.??) as mentioned earlier?
Annette
Did you miss this query :-\
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Joseph Webb born 1818 and married Martha Gear born 1818. Joseph is my Gt gt. Grandfather on my mothers side. The Webb family are from Romsey Hampshire
They married in 1839.
Josephs second marriage to louisa gear born 1833 and they were married in 1863.
Hope this helps. Fangio.
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Joseph Webb born 1818 and married Martha Gear born 1818. Joseph is my Gt gt. Grandfather on my mothers side. The Webb family are from Romsey Hampshire
They married in 1839.
Josephs second marriage to louisa gear born 1833 and they were married in 1863.
Hope this helps. Fangio.
fangio, crazyshotgug69 has traced the family back but has not got a marriage for Thomas & Mary who had the following children, have you managed to get back further :-\
And there are the following children baptised at Romsey - parents Thomas and Mary:
William - 12 November 1783
Mary - 26 December 1787
Thomas - 23 May 1790
Thomas Richard - 10 October 1792
George - 6 June 1798
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was marys name Holman. I also cannot find a mariage for them. Fangio
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We don't know what Mary's surname was, that is the problem. Why do you think it was Holman
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The link in your last post refers to a Thomas Hillier b.1780 (no place mentioned) - what's that got to do with William Webb?
The burial of William Webb in 1790 at Romsey does not mention an age at death - so how do you know he was bc.1716 (at Westbury, Wilts.??) as mentioned earlier?
Annette
Did you miss this query :-\
Well, all I can say is that im using information from the family tree. I could put the tree on here though for others who are trying to help.
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Joseph Webb born 1818 and married Martha Gear born 1818. Joseph is my Gt gt. Grandfather on my mothers side. The Webb family are from Romsey Hampshire
They married in 1839.
Josephs second marriage to louisa gear born 1833 and they were married in 1863.
Hope this helps. Fangio.
Ah so um I'm guessing we may be distantly related and there is a good chance you could be on the family tree :)
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The link in your last post refers to a Thomas Hillier b.1780 (no place mentioned) - what's that got to do with William Webb?
The burial of William Webb in 1790 at Romsey does not mention an age at death - so how do you know he was bc.1716 (at Westbury, Wilts.??) as mentioned earlier?
Annette
Did you miss this query :-\
Perhaps we could go back on an earlier ancestor on my Webb side to go back up through that line an identify the parents?