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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: hencarrai on Monday 28 January 19 20:59 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help please, I may be mixing two families here.
1911 census shows family in Newbridge, Mon. says Thomas is 51, born Aberdare, Glam and wife Jane born Beaufort, Brecs (this census is a bit of a mess, I think birth places of Tom and Jane are mixed up?)
1901 says they are in Blaenblodau street, Newbridge.
RG13/4968/p14
1891 says Tom born Aberavon?
Rg12/4423/137/p38
1881 census says Thomas born Kindle, Monmouth(shire) Where is that? Could it be near Beaufort?
RG11/5303/p5
On this census they are 'visiting' what could be Tom's brother and his wife, any ideas on wife's name?
Thanks for any help
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For a start~
Wife/sister in law looks like Chrine - could it be short for Christine?
Gadget
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Hi hencarrai
the wikipedia page for Beaufort, says the Welsh name is Cendl - maybe your 1881 Kindle?
Here is a link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort,_Blaenau_Gwent
Mar :)
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Do you have birth cert for any of the children? If Jane's maiden name was James, think I've found possible registrations with that maiden name, then the parish record of the couple's marriage is available online.
15 Dec 1879 in the parish church of Ystradyfodwg, Thomas Davies 19, haulier, of Pentre father William, collier, deceased
married
Jane James 18 of Pentre, father David, collier
Witnesses Rees and Margaret Jones, all made their mark.
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Thanks all, you guys are awesome.
Gadget, now that you've opened my eyes to Christine I'm convincing myself it's written as Chrisie.
Would you believe FBMD has two possible marriages :-Wm Davies and Christiana Jane Harvey 1875 Jun 11a p 766.
And Christina Hartley 1876 Dec 11a p 910.
Mar, that's a good find, must be right?
Osprey,
No birth certs yet but the marriage in 1879 is surely correct. Father being William has thrown me though, I was working on Thomas.
I think I have the GRO index for son Evan T 1885 Pontypridd 11a p482
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gro index gives mother's maiden name for that birth reg as James.
;)
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well, it's not Christiana Jane Harvey as she married Richard Hancock Isaac 7 June 1875 at St Mary's in Swansea.
Christina Hartley did marry a William Davies 13 Nov 1876 at St Peter's in Swansea, but that William was a joiner and son of David, a sailor. Both were 22 which doesn't match with the ages on the 1881 census.
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Thanks Osprey, back to the drawing board for me then.
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not necessarily! I think Chrine is actually Catherine, this family in 1891 seems a match
52 Parry St, Ystradyfodwg RG12/4424 folio 71 pg 36
William Davies head mar 33 haulier in coal mine b. Merthyr Tydfil
Catherine wife 28 b. Dowlais
Moses son 6
Elizabeth dau 4
William J son 2
children all born Ystradyfodwg
GRO index has mother's maiden name on the reg of Moses as Evans and the marriage mar qtr 1880 in the parish church of Ystradyfodwg for
William Davies 22 haulier father William Davies, collier, deceased
to
Catherine Evans 17 father Moses Evans, roller
witnesses William Davies & Richard Evans, only Catherine signed, the other 3 marked.
So William could be a brother of your Thomas.
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getting somewhere!
1871 Treorky Pitt Cottages, Ystradyfodwg RG10/5383 folio 98 pg 28
Ruth Jones head widow 40 kept by her sons b. Carmarthenshire, Pontyberem
William son 14 haulier in coal pit b. Merthyr
Thomas son 12 door boy b. Mon, Kendle
step has been added in front of son on both lines but possibly not in the same hand. I suspect ages of William & Thomas were put up a little as Thomas, at least, was probably too young to have been working underground.
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possible from 1861
11 River Row, Llangattock, RG19/4218 folio 43 pg 35
William Davies head mar 36 coal miner b. Mon, Ebbw Vale
Ruth wife 32 b. Carms, Llangyndeyrn
Edward son 16 coal miner b. Mon, Sirhowy
William son 2 b. Glam, Merthyr
Isaiah brother 60 coal miner b. Breconshire, Beaufort
possible birth regs
Thomas Davies june qtr 1861 Crickhowell vol 11b pg 129 mmn Jones
Thomas Davies sept qtr 1861 Crickhowell vol 11b pg 118 mmn Jones
Marriage in the parish church of Ystradyfodwg 25 Dec 1869 for James Jones 70 widower, overman, father John, farmer and Ruth Davies 41, widow, father Edward Jones, collier.
Death reg for James Jones age 70 sept qtr 1870 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 185
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same family in 1851
Penydarren, Merthyr Tydfil HO107/2459 folio 383 pg 5
William Davis head mar 29 miner b. Mon, Bedwellty
Ruth wife 24 b. Carmarthen
Edward son 6 b. Bedwellty
Daniel son 2 b. Bedwellty
+ 3 lodgers
Possible marriage
Ruth Jones sept qtr 1843 Merthyr Tydfil vol 26 pg 501 with William Davies on the same page
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As I said earlier Osprey,
Awesome.
I have to digest all of that now, wow.
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Hi Osprey, I now have a birth record for Thomas Davies, 30 Aug 1861.
Parents William and Ruth (formerly Jones) of River Row, Beaufort.
That looks good to me, thanks again.
At the marriage of Ruth Davies, (father Edward Jones) and James Jones in 1869, it shows his father as John Thomas. I wondered if you have any thoughts on that?
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as James Jones doesn't appear on the census with the family, he was married to Ruth for a very short time, I have no idea where he was born so tracing his birth is nigh on impossible. It could be that he was illegitimate or he came from an area where patronymics were still in use and his surname had changed from Johns.
Guesswork I'm sorry...
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Ok, thanks Osprey,
I have a possible death for James Jones age 70, as 1870 Q3 v11a p185, Pontypridd.
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yes, that's the one I gave you in reply no. 10.
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Oh yes, sorry, and many thanks.