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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: valeriet on Wednesday 30 January 19 09:13 GMT (UK)
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My great grandfather George Gustave Chevreau (abt 1871) was married to Marie Margueritte Dupuy (1875) Both were apparently born in France but I can't find any trace of their existence in France on Ancestry. The earliest record of them that I've found is in the 1911 Census in UK. Can anyone help or does anyone know the best way of tracking down French records as I've not made any headway with this at all. Thanks!
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Does it not say on the census return their place(s) of birth?
I mean not just France of course.
Hope you can move forward with this.
Viktoria.
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https://www.myheritage.fr/names/george_chevreau
if you can go and have a look
FS :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:36VM-MDK
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Does it not say on the census return their place(s) of birth?
I mean not just France of course.
Hope you can move forward with this.
Viktoria.
Thanks Viktoria - sadly it just says France.
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https://www.myheritage.fr/names/george_chevreau
if you can go and have a look
FS :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:36VM-MDK
Thanks for that. It seems that I'm not the only one who gets stuck at the same point. Such a shame there was no more detail about where they were born in France. I remember my Nan saying that there had been a nun in the family who ran away from the convent (In France) to get married to one of the Chevreau's. I don't know if it's true or if it might have been Marie Dupuy.
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Any hint about George Chevreau 's job?
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Any hint about George Chevreau 's job?
On the 1911 census it says he was a 'hotel timekeeper'.
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It also says he'd been married for 18 years which means married around 1893 but haven't found a record for that in either England or France (yet).
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I have no idea about what was or is a "hotel timekeeper", do you?
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I have no idea about what was or is a "hotel timekeeper", do you?
I think it was someone who kept track of hours staff worked and dealt with payrolls, that sort of thing.
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May be in an important hotel, in London?
I tried to find the marriage on freebmd, using different ways, and got no answer except Jeanne Gabrielle Chevreau . They probably married in France.
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But they did not marry in Paris, I checked.
Do you have any other hints, name of a brother or sister, area where one of them lived ?
Did they die in England?
Strangely enough, I can't find them in 1911 Census.
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I have found the marriage of a George G Chevrot to Hendrika T Schoof Lambeth RD 3rd quarter 1919.
Could this be a remarriage after the death of Marie Margueritte in 1912 ?
No help for going back however I'm afraid even if by any chance it is your Georges Chevreau.
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But they did not marry in Paris, I checked.
Do you have any other hints, name of a brother or sister, area where one of them lived ?
Did they die in England?
Strangely enough, I can't find them in 1911 Census.
Ah, their name was transcribed incorrectly from the census. On the census is says 'Cheverean'. I don't know any brothers or sisters names unfortunately. Marie died in 1912 in childbirth - I managed to get a death certificate for her but not George.
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I have found the marriage of a George G Chevrot to Hendrika T Schoof Lambeth RD 3rd quarter 1919.
Could this be a remarriage after the death of Marie Margueritte in 1912 ?
No help for going back however I'm afraid even if by any chance it is your Georges Chevreau.
Thanks - I'll take that into consideration - I guess it's possible he re-married.
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Worth checking , but I found on FS Henriette Chevreau, mother Schoof , Lambeth, 1916, and Georgette Marie Chevreau, no mmn given in Croydon
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But they did not marry in Paris, I checked.
Do you have any other hints, name of a brother or sister, area where one of them lived ?
Did they die in England?
Strangely enough, I can't find them in 1911 Census.
Ah, their name was transcribed incorrectly from the census. On the census is says 'Cheverean'. I don't know any brothers or sisters names unfortunately. Marie died in 1912 in childbirth - I managed to get a death certificate for her but not George.
Familysearch source :
The name was transcribed Cheverean and Chevrean for the children , Marie Dupny was mistranscribed too. I can't believe I did not think so. Many people write U and N in the same way .
Dupny is clearly DUPUY.
George the eldest son was born in England, was 14 in 1911. (Can't see in FS they were married for 18 years).
But strangely enough, there were/are some CHEVREAN and DUPNY in England. Search FreeBMD.
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GRO has a George Marcel CHEVREAN mmname DUPUY, born Lambeth 1896 (called Chevreau on Freebmd)
Marie died Marie M CHEVREAU 1912, Kingston district
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https://www.filae.com/nom-de-famille/nom-CHEVREAU-par-commune
Here is the list of the villages and towns where the name Chevreau was found from 1891 to 1915, on Filae . You can't have the same list before 1891. We can try to search the Tables Decennales around 1870 (when George Chevreau was born).
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Ah it says they had been married for 18 years on the 1911 census.
No problem finding records for the other Chevreau's even the mis-spelt ones but just not the pair who were supposely from France. I'm wondering where else I can go with this. Maybe I need to work out how they might have travelled from France to England.
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https://www.filae.com/nom-de-famille/nom-CHEVREAU-par-commune
Here is the list of the villages and towns where the name Chevreau was found from 1891 to 1915, on Filae . You can't have the same list before 1891. We can try to search the Tables Decennales around 1870 (when George Chevreau was born).
Thanks, that is very helpful!
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I searched the first 10, without success. Will go on little by little.
It is not impossible that he was born Chevereau, I also look for this name.
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The children of the couple Chevreau (Cherean, Cheverean)/Dupuy (Dupny) were : George Marcel 1896,Yvonne 1899,Robert Leon 1901,René Gustave 1903,Margueritte P 1906, Georgette M 1908.
I think that George Gustave remarried quarter Sept 1919 with SCHOOF, FreeBMD gives CHEVROT George Gustave .
Then they had Henriette G 1916, Gustave R 1919 and Juliette 1919 same quarter , must have been twins, all with surname CHEVREAU.
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I have found the marriage of a George G Chevrot to Hendrika T Schoof Lambeth RD 3rd quarter 1919.
If you got this certificate it should give George's father's name & occupation.
Have you found any of th efamily on 1939 to give exact dates of birth?
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I have found the marriage of a George G Chevrot to Hendrika T Schoof Lambeth RD 3rd quarter 1919.
If you got this certificate it should give George's father's name & occupation.
Have you found any of th efamily on 1939 to give exact dates of birth?
Valeriet , I think Josey gives a good advice .
We arent' able to find the marriage Chevreau Dupuy, but you could learn interesting infos with the certificate of the 2nd marriage.
if you decide to order it , do so before 16 th feb , the cost will be higher after this date.
Searching 1939 is also a good idea.
Don't you have any idea about his date of death , I cannot find any thing by any means.
ADDED : I searched 10 more villages in France , no finding yet.
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The price of certificates at https://www.gro.gov.uk will go up from £9.25 to £11 on 16 Feb, so it would be a good idea to get it before then.
ADDED: Probably totally unrelated but a George Chevrot age 69, French, priest, last address in UK Rutland Gardens Hotel, London - went to NY on the Queen Mary in Feb 1946, intending to live in Canada.
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You can order a PDF, it's cheaper.
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You can't get .pdf for a marriage, only birth & death.
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Thank you Joger and Josey for all of the help :) I'm definitely going to order the certificate - hopefully it will give some answers and clues :)
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You can't get .pdf for a marriage, only birth & death.
Sorry, too bad.
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Just in case your GG Chevreau was the husband of Hendrika SCHOOF , here is his death act (21 august 1930 Paris 8th arrondissement) and by the way his date and place of birth in France .
This could explain why his death cannot be found in England.
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http://archives.eure.fr/ark:/26335/a011440744732hszbvW/176f221a32
slide 171/536
Friday 2 september 1870, 11 AM,
Birth certificate ("acte"in french) of Georges Gustave ,male, born yesterday at 9 PM in Verneuil, Eure (departement ), Paris Street, in the home of his father, presented to us , son of Leon François CHEVROT, miller, 41,and Stélie Louise MASSOT , his wife,,no occupation, 27, married in Les Aspres , Orne( departement) , on the 10 september1860, witnesses are etc…
Signature of the father .
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Archives de l'Orne
Search Saint-Martin d'Aspres (not les Aspres)n M+T 1832 1862
slide 178/192
Can't put a link for theses archives.
His parents's marriage.
The name is written CHEVREAUX. Slide 177 , his father's sister married , her name was written CHEVERAUX !
They sign :
L.Chevrot and Stélie Massot
Translation will follow
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Though it is not mentionned in his 2d marriage "act " Leon was previously married to Marie Armandine Brosset or Brossot 2 feb 1857 in Ecorcei ( Ecorcey in the past), Orne. No child . She died 2 march 1859 in Saint Martin les Aspres. She was Glove worker
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Found a brother and a sister in Saint Martin d'Aspres
Leon Victor Elphege first born child 14 july 1861
Louise Adelaide Stelie 25 feb 1863
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All amazing finds, joger, well done.
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Thank you Josey.
Indeed it wasn't easy because of the different spellings of the surname , even in France.
As you can see on the documents Leon signs CHEVROT but the public officer writes CHEVREAUX (absolutely same sounding though) .And the forename is written either George or Georges (most often it is Georges in France).
If Valeriet comes back I can go further searching the ancestors.
Now I am searching Georges's military file. Not an easy search because you find this in the "recruitement bureau" where a boy lived when he was 20.And I don't know where he was living in 1890, and moreover , the military files aren't on line in all the departements)
If he was still in France I guess he was living in one of the departements around Orne or Eure , or Paris .
FOUND him , Alençon Bureau de recrutement nb 878
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Just in case your GG Chevreau was the husband of Hendrika SCHOOF , here is his death act (21 august 1930 Paris 8th arrondissement) and by the way his date and place of birth in France .
This could explain why his death cannot be found in England.
I just received the marriage certificate today and I can confirm that it was my great grandfather George Chevreau who married Hendrika Schoof!
When I came back to this page I wasn't prepared to find all of this Joger. I'm amazed and can't thank you enough! I'm going to print it off and take it all in. I'm so happy. Thank you!!! ;D ;D
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You ´re welcome :)
It's not finished.
Do you need translations?
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You ´re welcome :)
It's not finished.
Do you need translations?
I know a little French but not much. Was going to put some of it into Google translate. Do you speak French?
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I will translate,I´m french.
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Iwill translate,I´m french.
Thank you!
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Death GG Chevrot :
21 august 1930, 20 to 6 AM, in his home 29 rue de Surène, died Georges Gustave CHEVROT, born in VERNEUIL ( Eure) 1 sept 1870, janitor, son of the late Léon François CHEVROT and the late Stélie Louise MASSOT , married ( parents were married), widower of Hendricka Theodora SCHOOF.
etc... on the declaration of Emile CAPRON,53 years'old, living 3 rue de Lisbonne
NB : Emile Capron could be a friend , a neighbour ...
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Marriage CHEVREAUX/MASSOT
1860 9 september Saint Martin d'Aspres.
CHEVREAUX François Léon , miller, living in Saint Martin d'Aspres , born in Le Plantis 1829 11 april, son of Jean François Marin CHEVREAUX, who died in Le Plantis 9 april 1854 and Marie Renée Claudine RADIGON living in Le Plantis present here and consent to the marriage.....
and MASSOT Louise Adélaïde Stélie,glove maker,living in St Martin d'Aspres where she was born 4 february 1849, daughter of Jacques Louis MASSOT, 'fendeur de bois = wood splitter) and Louise Adélaïde DESPORTES living together in St Martin d'Aspres , both present here and consenting to the marriage.
Witnesses : Frédéric JAMET father , Frédéric JAMET son,apprentice miller friend of the groom,Simon DESPORTES, grand father of the bride and Gustave BARON brother in law of the groom.
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This is marvellous - details of 2 generations back from Georges!!
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Military fiche1
GG Cherot born Verneuil 1 sept 1870, Eure,living in St Martin d'Aspres, Orne, business employee, son of the late Léon François and Stélie Louise Massot living in : UNKNOWN canton : Moulins la Marche , Orne,
nb 16 of the draw in Moulins la Marche canton.
Right of the image: regimental number of the recruitement 878
Class of enrollment :year 1888
Physical description : Hair : ?
Brows : brown, nose :large :mouth : average size,chin : round, face :oval
Height 1 m 64 cm
Educational level :3 (could read , write , count)
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Birth of François Léon CHEVRAUX 11 april 1829 7 AM in Le Plantis (Orne), son of Jean François Marin CHEVRAUX, 31, farmer,and Marie Renée Claudine RADIGOIS , his wife .
The father could not sign.(I'll have to discover wether it was Radigois or Radigon)
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to be continued
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Marriage CHEVREAUX/MASSOT
1860 9 september Saint Martin d'Aspres.
CHEVREAUX François Léon , miller, living in Saint Martin d'Aspres , born in Le Plantis 1829 11 april, son of Jean François Marin CHEVREAUX, who died in Le Plantis 9 april 1854 and Marie Renée Claudine RADIGON living in Le Plantis present here and consent to the marriage.....
and MASSOT Louise Adélaïde Stélie,glove maker,living in St Martin d'Aspres where she was born 4 february 1849, daughter of Jacques Louis MASSOT, 'fendeur de bois = wood splitter) and Louise Adélaïde DESPORTES living together in St Martin d'Aspres , both present here and consenting to the marriage.
Witnesses : Frédéric JAMET father , Frédéric JAMET son,apprentice miller friend of the groom,Simon DESPORTES, grand father of the bride and Gustave BARON brother in law of the groom.
Louise Adelaide Stelie born in fact 4 feb 1841 ,4 PM in St Martin d'Aspres to Jacques Louis Massot , wood splitter, approximately 35, and Louise Adelaide Desportes , in their house in the village Les Bourdinières.
ADDED: mistake on the middle name of the mother . She was born Louise Euphrasie (written ufrasie), ot Adélaïde.
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Thanks Joger, I've been a bit under par but will be gathering all of this information together. So amazed at what you've found :)
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Military fiche 2,3,4 :
Enrolled as a volonter on the 21 october 1889 at the town hall of Alençon (12 d Regiment of Hussars)
Was sentenced to on the 26 oct 1891 (4 months in military prison) (tried to pledge a small equipment that had been given to him for military service).
26 feb 1892: 2d Regiment of Chasseurs after having been sentenced (17 janurary 1892, how long ? ).
Missing on the call 13 june 1892, was declared deserter on the 19 june 1892.
Disobeyed the call for general mobilization in 1914. Presented himself volontarily (31 january 1917) to the Consul General of France in London who aknowledged his submission.
Landed in Le Havre 1 feb 1917, arrived in the Regiment of Chasseurs 3d feb 1917.
Was sentenced to 1 year of prison (suspended sentence) for desertion during peace time.
14 april 1918 : freed from call to be able to go to England. Freed from military service 10 dec 1918
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Marriage CHEVREAUX/MASSOT
1860 9 september Saint Martin d'Aspres.
CHEVREAUX François Léon , miller, living in Saint Martin d'Aspres , born in Le Plantis 1829 11 april, son of Jean François Marin CHEVREAUX, who died in Le Plantis 9 april 1854 and Marie Renée Claudine RADIGON living in Le Plantis present here and consent to the marriage.....
and MASSOT Louise Adélaïde Stélie,glove maker,living in St Martin d'Aspres where she was born 4 february 1849, daughter of Jacques Louis MASSOT, 'fendeur de bois = wood splitter) and Louise Adélaïde DESPORTES living together in St Martin d'Aspres , both present here and consenting to the marriage.
Witnesses : Frédéric JAMET father , Frédéric JAMET son,apprentice miller friend of the groom,Simon DESPORTES, grand father of the bride and Gustave BARON brother in law of the groom.
Louise Adelaide Stelie born in fact 4 feb 1841 ,4 PM in St Martin d'Aspres to Jacques Louis Massot , wood splitter, approximately 35, and Louise Adelaide Desportes , in their house in the village Les Bourdinières.
ADDED: mistake on the middle name of the mother . She was born Louise Euphrasie (written ufrasie), not Adélaïde.
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François Léon CHEVREAUX/CHEVROT married 1860 St Martin d'Aspres Louise Adélaïde StélieMASSOT
miller born 1841 St martin d'Aspres
born 1829 le Plantis , Orne died?
Died 9 feb 1871 Verneuil
CHILDREN:
Georges Gustave CHEVROT Léon Victor Elphege CHEVREAUX Louise AdélaÏde CHEVREAUX
born 1870 Verneuil, Orne born 1861 St Martin d'Aspres born 1863 St M d'Aspres
died 1930 Paris died St Martin d'Aspres 1863
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Jean François Marin CHEVREAUX married (27 june 1820 in Le Plantis)Marie Renée Claudine RADIGOIS, he was born 22 Brumaire an 7 (12 nov 1798) Le Plantis, she was born 2 Messidor an 7 (20 june 1799)St Scolasse
he died 9 april 1854 in Le Plantis , Orne
CHILDREN
François Léon CHEVREAUX
born 1829 Le Plantis , Orne
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27 june 1820 Le Plantis , orne
Marriage of Jean François Marin CHEVREAU, farmer,21 years’old 7 months 15 days born 22 brumaire an 7 in le Plantis, living in le Plantis,son of François CHEVREAU, farmer,and Marie LEPRIEUR , father present , father and mother consenting to the marriage, and Marie Renée Claudine RADIGOIS 21 years’old 7 days living in le Plantis born in St Scolasse 2 Messidor an 7 , daughter of the late René RADIGOIS who died in St Scolasse 16 Frimaire an 13 and of the late Marie … (I must decipher that) who died 4 may 1808 in St Scolasse.
Witnesses : Charles françois JOIGNAUX cousin of the groom,jean françois BESNARD cousin of the groom, Jacques RADIGOIS brother of the bride , Jean ? son of a cousin of the bride.
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1854 , 9 april Jean François Marin Chevreau born in Le Plantis farmer, husband of Marie Renée Claudine RADIGOIS) died in his house in the hamlet of Bellanger at 11 AM, son of the late François Cheveau (who died in Macé) and the late Marie LEPRIEUR (who died in Le Plantis).
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https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bellanger,+61170+Le+Plantis/@48.6015092,0.3848067,3a,75y,161.55h,90t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1srMBe6TKzXODz4M9KWZtx-g!2e0!3e11!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fmaps%2Fphotothumb%2Ffd%2Fv1%3Fbpb%3DChEKD21hcHNfc3YudGFjdGlsZRIgChIJ10bLDqsj4kcRSRzqpbGW0B4qCg0AAAAAFQAAAAAaBQhkEMsB%26gl%3DFR!7i13312!8i6656!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x47e223ab0ecb46d7:0x1ed096b1a5ea1c49!2sBellanger,+61170+Le+Plantis!3b1!8m2!3d48.601528!4d0.3848964!3m4!1s0x47e223ab0ecb46d7:0x1ed096b1a5ea1c49!8m2!3d48.601528!4d0.3848964
Bellanger
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A is Macé B is Le Plantis
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Birth of Jean François Marin CHEVREAU
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23 brumaire an 7 ( 13 nov 1798), 11 PM birth of Jean François marin Chevreau , son of François Chevreau and Marie Prieur his wife,
Marie PRIEUR , mother of JFM CHEVREAU (will be called LEPRIEUR later)
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Marriage Chevreau Prieur1
20 pluviose an 6 (8 feb 1798) at 3 PM François Chevreau , farmer ,27 ,son of François Chevreau and Jeanne CHASSERAY from the town of DAMNE , (? must find it) Sarthe and living in the town of St Scolasse since …and Marie PRIEUR (widow of Jacques BAUDOIRE ), 30,from the town of Le Plantis.
Witnesses Jean BESNARD, Claude SERRAY ?, Jacques MARTIN, Jacques LAVIGNE
DAMNE does not exist , it is AMNE . Commune de Damne = commune d'Amne
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Marriage chevreau Prieur2
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From now on I make trees:
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Marriage Chevereau Chasseray:
23 january 1770 François Chevereau , bachelor,
son of Marin Chevereau and Renée Minet from the parish of Coulans,
and Jeanne Chasseray , widow of Pierre ALLAIN , daughter of Jean Chasseray and Jullienne Huet
Witnesses of the groom : father and mother, his brother Marin Chevereau ,and his sister,
W of the bride :her brother in law François ?, Jeanne Allain (her daughter), Jacques Joyau? and several other relatives.
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To be continued
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Marriage Chevereau Minet
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part2
30 january 1742 marriage marin Chevereau …..31, son of marin chevereau and louise PAUGET ( ?), and Renée Minée , 23,daughter of the late louis Minée and Jeanne HUBERT, from the parish of La Quinte,.
Witnesses :Marin chevereau (father) René DELIOU or Delion ,brother in law. Bride : jeanne Hubert, widow of Louis Minée,(her mother), louis minée,mathurin Minée(her brothers)all from the parish of La Quinte
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23 brumaire an 7 ( 13 nov 1798), 11 PM birth of Jean François marin Chevreau , son of François Chevreau and Marie Prieur his wife,
Marie PRIEUR , mother of JFM CHEVREAU (will be called LEPRIEUR later)
in the hamlet Bellanger (Bellenger)
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Birth and baptism François Chevereau 1742
11 July 1742 in Coulans sur Gée , Sarthe. Father Marin Chevereau, mother renée minée . Godfather François Dalibard, godmother Françoise Lomeau wife of Jean Gareau
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Death of François Chevereau,76, widower of Jeanne Chasseray 2 october 1811 in Amné , registered by his son Louis and rené gendrot , a neighbour; he died in a stable belonging to Mrs Fouré (widow) at Le Plessis .
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part2
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Oh my, you've discovered so much...I'm blown away. I'm going to spend this evening taking notes as there's so much to take in. Thank you so much!
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Not finished!
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Not finished!
Wow!! So happy ;D ;D
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Baptism of Marin CHEVEREAU 9 sept 1712 in Chevillé , Sarthe , son of Marin and Louise GRANGER, godfather Georges E...er, godmother Magdeleine E...er
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Marriage Marin Chevereau and Louise GRANGER
5 nov 1711 Chevillé, Sarthe
Groom : son of the late Jacque and the late Marie Dayré, his wife, assisted by Charles Couti(or e)lle and Joseph L..., Hylaire Dubin and françois Collet, Catherine Lyger, all good friends of the groom and many others
Bride :from the parish of St Ouen,daughter of the late Marin Granger and Magdeleine Creullier(?) assisted by Magdeleine Creulier , her mother and George granger , her brother, and Pierre Granger, another brother, and leonard Allain,her brother in law, Magdeleine and Jullienne Granger , her sisters.
None of them could sign.
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Death of :Marin Chevereau 4 january 1764, in Chevillé about 83 years'old was interred in the presence of René DELION the husband of a daughter
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Baptism Marin Chevereau 1682, Lavaré , Sarthe
5 january 1682 in Lavaré was baptized Marin Chevereau son of Jacques and Marie Derré (wife), godfather was marin PINEAU , godmother Marie Brioy, present Mathurin Berger and Jacques Dogrer
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In Lavaré 26 february 1682 Jacques Chevereau and marie Derré were married , parents and witnesses 's names not mentionned
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death Marin Chevereau (born 1712) 30 june 1794 Saint Christophe en Champagne
Certificate written 1 july 1794
His daughter Renée , 37,registered his death.
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Now a new tree( not finished)
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Baptism louise GRANGER 10 nov 1683 Chevillé , daughter of Marin GRANGER and Magdeleine CREULIER godfather ?? godmother Louise Morau ( or Moran) from Chevillé
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death Louise GRANGER 28 april 1743 interred in presence of her husband , was 60.
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marriage Granger Croulier in Chevillé 26 jan 1677 Marin Granger , merchant ,26 or so,son the late Georges Granger and of the late Marie COSSET , assisted by his brother Julien, a plowman, Pierre LOYANT , a carpenter, and his wife Jeanne COURANT, cousins, and Pierre LE TOURNEUX, also a cousin, married Magdeleine CROULIER , 15 or 16, daughter of the late Louis CROULIER and Magdelaine RETOIT, assisted by ... RETOIT, Michel RETOIT her uncle,from TH...?...RETOIT her cousin,plowmen,all living in this parish,.....
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Baptism Elisabeth Renée Miné 1717, godfather Thomas Cointereau , "procureur sindic "( something like the mayor of the village in thoses days) , godmother Renée le Joiant
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marriage Miné Hubert 1707 LA QUINTE
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birth Jeanne HUBERT 18 january 1676 Coulans daughter of Michel Hubert and Louise Fourneau ,god father Michel CHENON, godmother Jeanne Fourneau
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birth Louis Minée 1678, Bouchemaine , Maine et Loire
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death Jeanne CHASSERAY 2 sept 1807 Amné
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marriage Chasseray Huet Domfront
13 january 1722 Jean Chasseray and Julienne huet , assisted by his son Jean Chasseray , Simon lerouge ( brother in law because of his late wife), his nephew Julien Tricot, julien Cornu, jean Montaron,Michel lebras, Marie and Jeanne Huet , sisters of the bride (can't sign)
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death of jean Chasseray
30 august 1741 Domfront, 66 or so , "bordager" = metayer was interred in the presence of his wife Jullienne Huet, his son Jullien Chasseray,his daughter marueritte Huet ,"his uncle in law" Julien Huet senior , Simon lerouge, his brother in law ,and other parents and friends.
My commen t: seems to have been much loved and appreciated. (many people came to the ceeremony
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death of julienne Huet , 3 may 1758 Domfort : widow of jean chasseray was interred in the presence of marie Huet (sister), jean louis and jacques chasseray ( chilidren) and several other parents and friends.
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birth jullienne huet 18 nov 1700 Conlie, sarthe
to jean huet and jullienne dangeard , godfather julien dangeard, godmother françoise huet
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marriage het dangeard 1700 Conlie, Sarthe
12 january 1700 jean huet son of jean huet and françois BESNARD and julienne dangeard daughter of the late julien dangeard and Julienne GARNIER
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arbre
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I am not sure about Jean Chasseray's parents , waiting for answers.
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baptism of Francois Chevereau 23 july 1771 Amné , Sarthe
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death Marie Anne Barbe PRIEUR 1847 le Plantis ,Orne
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part 2, died in the hamlet of Bellanger
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baptism Marie Anne Barbe LE PRIEUR Friday 14 december 1764 Le Plantis, Orne ,to Michel leprieur and Anne LEMESLE, godfather her uncle jacques LEMESLE from the parish of St Agnan sur sarthe , godmother her cousin Marie Lemesle
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Marriage prieur lemesle, in le Plantis,Orne
on tuesday 3d nov 1761 Michel Prieur , son of the late Jacques and the late Louise FRIQUET, from this parish, married Anne LEMESLE , daughter of the late Jacques and the late Magdelaine FERDOUET from the parish of St Agnan sur Sarthe, living in this town since some years in the presence of their relatives and friends : louis EROULT, brother in law of the groom, Emmanuel and Pierre Le prieur ,cousins of the groom,Jacques Friquet , his uncle,Marie Le fleuriet , his aunt ,Louis friquet , his cousin,Jacques Puget and René friquet , his cousins(both signed),Jacques and Alexandre LEmesle , brothers of the bride , Alexandre lemesle , uncle and tutor of the bride, marguerite fauvet , her aunt,Alexandre Duchene , her great-uncle,Marie lemesle , her cousin,Michel Boulaye , her cousin.
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part 1
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Marriage Prieur Friquet 25 may 1724, le Plantis, Orne, jacques prieur son of the late Emmanuel Prieur and Barbe EVERAR married Louise FRIQUET daughter of Claude and the late Renée VAILLANT in the presence of relatives and friends , Louis galet , jacques Chastet, witnesses;Bride and groom wrote their mark.
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Death Anne LEMESLE 17 oct 1792 le Plantis , around 60 years' old , widow of Michel Prieur
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death michel prieur 29 dec 1783 Le Plantis , about 45 years'old
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Birth Michel Leprieur 4 january , Le plantis 1738 to jacques leprieur and louise friquet
you have the signature of the father jacques leprieur .
So now we know that the name was LEPRIEUR , only the curate , vicar or priest wrote PRIEUR
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Death jacques leprieur 18 april 1741, le Plantis
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Death Louise friquet , 5 june 1746 widow of the late jacques leprieur
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death barbe Everard 24 dec 1738 le Plantis ,widow of Emmannuel Leprieur
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birth louise friquet 24 january 1698 le plantis
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Birth Claude friquet 25 feb 1668 le Plantis
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Marriage friquet Voelin, 26 june 1691 Le Plantis
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death jean friquet 17 april 1709 Le Plantis , was interred in the church.
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Death Louise Delavigne 27 juin 1707 Le plantis, interred in the church
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Marriage friquet delavigne 9 nov 1666 le Plantis
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Marriage friquet delavigne 9 nov 1666 le Plantis
jean friquet son of Phiilippe and Françoise Goren,and Louise delavigne daughter of Claude and madeline HUREL
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tree, forgot jacques leprieur's death , wait for next version.
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http://leplantis61.over-blog.fr/album-2075143.html
photos inside the church
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marriage prieur everard 3d march 1696 Le Plantis
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marriage prieur everard part2
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death emmanuel leprieur 21 may 1705 Le Plantis interred in the church
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death barbe everard 24 dec 1738 le plantis , widow of emmanuel le prieur
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marriage leprieur dupont 22 juy 1660 ST AGNAN, Orne
priest : emmanuel dupont , the bride's brother
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tree
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Birth anne lemesle 29 jan uary 174 St Agnan sur sarthe , orne , to jacques lemesle and magdelaine ferdouet, godfather denis lemesle , godmother Gratienne Saget
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Joger, I have been unwell, but coming back to see all of this is incredible...documents back to 1660! My goodness. I can't believe a little while ago I had no idea about any of the history of my ancestors in France. This is amazing what you have done! :o 8)
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Hope that you feel better now and that was not too serious.
I ´ll go as far back as the registers can lead us to. The most difficult was to find george gustave !
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Marriage lemelse ferdouet, 5 feb 1732 in Fallandres (nowadays 2019 Mahéru; Orne) Jacques LEMELE son of Alexandre memele and jacqueline Duchesne, of this parish , and madeleine FARDOUET daughter of Rhené Fardouet and Anne BOULAYE from the parish of St Agnan.
Parents and friends :
Alexandre le meme and jacqueline duchesne (father nd mother of the groom), Alexandre lemele , brother of the groom,René Fardouet and Anne Boulaye , father and mother of the bride ,Alexandre duchesne , uncle of the groom, jacques lemele another uncle, Jacques Fardouet uncle of the bride,Michel and françois Boukaye , also uncles, Alexandre Maigne of this parish, René baset, Pierre Bureau from the parish of St Agnan, witnesses who signed with us /
Then you have the signatures
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lesmele fardouet
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father and brother lemesle
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mark of duchesne
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the marks of fardouet and boulaye
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marriage lemesle duchesne
21 nov 1705, st Agnan sur sarthe
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birth alexandre duchesne 19 nov 1685, St Agnan
Godfather alexandre de la haye ,esquire , sieur de la barre= living in la barre ( should be a hamlet nearby)
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birth jacques lemesle 23 aug 1707 st Agnan
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birth Madeleine FARDOUET (or ferdouet) 28 fev 1718
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death madeleine Fardouet 27 dec 1741 St Agnan , 24 or so
Death of her father René 2 days later 29 dec 1741 St Agnan 55 or so
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Birth rené fardouet 14 jan 1687 st Agnan sur sarthe to jacques and barbe morand
gofather philippe chauvin, godmother martine chauvin
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marriage fardouet morand 21 june 181 St Agnan sur sarthe in the presence of jacques fardouet , uncle,philippe le febvre and philippe fardouet , brothers of the groom,jean gouyer, françois morand (brother of the bride), manuel quéru and alexandre bouilie
NB the surname is written Fardoit in the margin
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birth alexandre duchesne 19 nov 1685, St Agnan
Godfather alexandre de la haye ,esquire , sieur de la barre= living in la barre ( should be a hamlet nearby)
Sorry : birth alexandre LEMESLE
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marriage fardouet boulaye 6 feb 1712 in Tellieres René fardouet from the parish of st Aignan, son of the late jacques fardouet and barbe morand and anne boulaye from this parish (Tellieres)daughter of the late michel and anne morand. Witnesses : pierre fardouet, barbe morand,gratienne renard,françois boullaye,françoise morand and other parents .
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marriage jacques lemesle , son of Ambrois lemesle and Marie BOISVIN,and marie briant , daughter of Pierre Briand and barbe RUEL ,17 june 1684 St agnan , in the presence of Ambrois le mesle and master Louis de st Aignan priest and curate of Auquaire, Alexandre de la haye , esquire , sieur de la Barre, barbe Ruel , mother of the bride and pierre and Charles briant , brothers of the bride.
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death ambroise lemesle 11 nov 1705 St Agnon , as a good catholic
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death marie Boisvin , widow of Ambroise lemesle 2 feb 1708 St Agnan, as a good catholic
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death anne boulaye 24 sept 1739 st agnan , 60 years old or so
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... till now , I haven't find where Jacqueline Duchesne or her parents came from
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Birth Marie Renée Claudine RADIGOIS 2 messidor an 7 (20 june 1799) , at 2 AM,in Ste Scolasse sur Sarthe
to René Radigois , farmer , 42 years old and Marie HUREL, living in the village of Les Champeaux (I think nowadays Champeaux sur Sarthe)
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map
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24 jan 1786 ste scolasse marriage rené-pierre radigois son of michel radigois and elisabeth champeaux and marie louise hurel daughter of the lale louis hurel and the late marie bourdin, in the presence and with consent of michel radigois , father and françois eustache perrey , tutor of the bride
and friends and relatives and witnesses.
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birth rené pierre radigois 28 jan 1757 ste scolasse
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birth marie louise elisabeth hurel 18 nov 1763 ste scolasse
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1 may 1755 marriage of michel radigois , son of the late michel radigois and the late anne CHORAN from this parish, and elisabeth CHAMPEAUX daughter of the late René Champeaux and Elisabeth Peuré from the parish of BURES
Witnesses : Louis Bossard , Marin Radigois , Pierre Havard, cousins, Elisabeth Peuré, madeleine champeaux sister and pierre legros, emmanuel gauthier, rené noyer.
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9 nov 1762 in Ste -Scolasse.
Marriage Louis HUREL son of the late Marin Hurel and the late Suzanne GAUTRY ?(GENTRY ?) from the parish of St Germain le Vieux and having been living in Ste Scolasse for 10 years and Marie BOU(R)DIN ,daughter of Marin Bou(r)din and Marie LORIDE from this parish.
Witnesses :Charles Hurel , Jean, françois, marin Hurel brothers, Marin Boudin and Marie Loride fathe and mother of the bride, emmanuel moulin,elisabeth boudin , sister,jacques and claude loride , uncles, robert coulboeuf , cousin, georges lambert,cousin, François Bourdin and jacques Bourlot and ..muliet (mullier in the signatures)
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death elisabeth perrey 10 jan 1767 , 69 years' old or so ,widow of rené champeaux
ste scolasse
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birth louis HUREL 11 feb 1736 , in St Germain le Vieux, Orne , to Marin Hurel and Suzanne GAUTRY, godfather philippe hurel from the parish if ? , godmother louise odolans from the parish of Mont Chevel?
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marriage marin hurel son of jean hurel and anne DUVAL from the parish of st germain le vieux and suzanne GAUTRY daughter of Charles gautry and Thomasse PISSOT from the parish of SURDON
witnesses pierre hurel and pierre hurel , brothers, françois robine, pierre dugay, charles gautry, thomasse?, françois gautry brother , michel gauthier cousin, jacques pissot, françois robelle
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marriage Charles gautry , son of Clément gautry and Jeanne MAIGNAN and thomasse pissot daughter of françois jacques PISSOT and Suzanne BEAULANON or BEAULAVON (must sort this out) 31 may 1698 in Surdon, Orne .
Should be BeaulaVon.
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death jeanne Maignan wife of Clément Gautry 27 jan 1695 in Surdon
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death clement gautry 29 sept 1713 i Surdon, orne
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birth suzanne Gautry 16 mars 1699 in Surdon
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marriage contract Charles gautry/Thomasse Pissot 1698
translation will follow
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I rather think that les Champeaux is this village
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Translation of the contract :
Sunday 11 th of may 1698 , in Mortrée, in the office of the sollicitor (), Charles Gautry, son of Clément Gautry and the late Jeanne Maignen , and Thomasse Pissot , daughter of the late jacques Pissot and the late Suzanne Beaulavon, all living in Surdon, have the project of marrying and make a marriage contract :
René Pissot , brother of Thomasse , living in Macey promissed to give them within 2 years after the wedding 60 « livres » (120 euros) and 30 « aunes « (approximately 30* 118 cm) of hessian
And François Beaulavon , uncle of Thomasse , living in Surdon,promissed to pay and give to the future groom and bride , to thank her for her friendship and for the favours she did to him, 60 » livres »(approximately 120 euros) within 2 years, and a cow.
Witnesses :Estienne de la Haye from the parish of the castle of Almenesche and jean Chardon from the parish of Surdon.
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marriage champeaux peurey 26 jan 1719 in Bures, Orne
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marriage champeaux vallet 11 august 1696 Bures
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birth rené champeaux 10 sept 1670 in Bures
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birth madeleine vallet 1670 in Bures
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marriage rené champeaux renée vallet 1663 in Bures
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death rené champeaux le jeune (junior) 12 january 1714 in Bures, interred in the church
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death rené champeaux (senior) 13 december 1713 in Bures , interred in the churchyard
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birth rené champeaux to estienne (champeaux) and louise Jardin 2 june 1636 in Bures
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birth Renée Vallet on Holy Monday 9 april 1640 in Bures
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Hi Joger, I've been watching with awe! What a lot of work you have undertaken and all those transcriptions. I look forward to watching this thread further.
I'm sure Valeriet will appreciate it all!
Kit
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Yes, I too have been following this thread with admiration. Well done jroger. Valeriet hasn't been online since 4 Mar but she will surely be amazed & very grateful!!
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Thanks ladies and /or gentlemen, but it is not very difficult . Still , I had to make trees in order to avoid losing the train of Valeriet 's ancestors (so many of them!) . When I started I did not think I would find so many people!
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death magdelaine vallet 16 feb 1742 in Ste -Scolasse
error on the last tree , I wrote 1741)
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birth emmanuel vallet 13 jan 1647 in Bures
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marriage emmanuel vallet and elisabeth chouard 4 aug 1668 in Bures
witnesses Robert Amelinot , Sebasien Vallet , Marin Blavette, Michel Poussé and others
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death suzanne bodot , widow of pierre vallet ,3 january 1676 in Bures , in the presence of marin and Emmanuel , her two sons
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birth elisabeth chouard to claude chouard and françoise champeaux ?? 1648 (preceding and following births are 5 april and 12 september), in Bures, godfather Isaac la Vie ,sieur de la Bigotière (which means living in la Bigotière ) and godmother Michelle Odolant
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death elisabeth chouard , spouse of emmanuel vallet , died 15 april 1709 , in Bures, was interred in the church
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marriage : claude chouard married françoise champeaux on the 27 th of september (audit an = the said year , written before)
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death claude chouard 28 may 1664 in Bures
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death françoise champeaux , wife of claude chouard 17 dec 1648, in Bures
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birth elisabeth peurey 20 june 1692 in Bures to charles and michelle belley godfather emmanuel vallet , godmother madeleine ollinier ?
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https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5726061s/f335.image
interesting article concerning the registers of the village called Bures
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possible death of Charles Peurey in Bures in 1724, around 70 years'old
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Back to George Gustave's mother , beware : I made mistakes on the first one
PS : I also made some on this one : Jacques Louis Massot was not born 33 frimaire an 14 but 3frimaire (=24 nov 1805)
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marriage Massot Desportes 1835 15 june , 7 pm, La Chapelle Viel,
JACQUES LOUIS MASSOT, 29 years’old, born in BONNEFOI, Orne department, 3 frimaire an 14 , wood splitter in St Martin d’Aspres, son of JACQUES PIERRE MASSOT
, also wood splitter,here present and consenting ,and MARIE FRANCOISE JAMET
And LOUISE EUFRASIE DESPORTES, about 18 years’old,born in this village 14 august 1817 ( my comment : in fact 13 aug), glove maker,living in this village, daughter of JEAN LOUIS SIMON DESPORTES master carpenter , and BARBE EUFRASIE THIBOUT, both present
Witnesses : Jacques Desportes , 62 years’old ,uncle of the bride ,Michel Jamet , 55 years’s old , uncle of the bride,Jacques Aubert 38 years’old,, brother in law of the groom and Louis Roch Thibout, 46 years’old uncle of the bride.
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marriage massot desportes zoom. It is written JACQUES LOUIS MASSOT, son of JACQUES PIERRE MASSOT)
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The signature on the first line always are those of the groom and bride
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3 frimaire an 14 Bonnefoy birth of a boy called JACQUES PIERRE MASSOT, son of JACQUES
PIERRE LOUIS
the last line means : one word crossed off (pierre)( null), another word added (louis in the margin)
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last line
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The signature on the first line always are those of the groom and bride
Clearly JL
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Mistakes of the registrar in An 14 ?
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death of JL Massot 27 aug 1892 in St Martin d'Aspres at Mr Louis Deroy, his son in law, formerly a "lattier " , roof batten maker born in Bonnefoi 29 nov 1805, son of the late Jacques Louis Massot and the late Jamet Marie Françoise, widower of Louise Euphrasie Desportes who died on the 24th of july 1870
Lattier=Fabricant de lattes et de piquets. Les lattes utilisées sous les couvertures d'ardoises ou autres étaient fendues et non pas coupées afin d'assurer leur solidité grâce au fil du bois qui était, de cette manière, conservé.= roof batten maker
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Death Louise Euphrasie Desportes 24 july 1870 , 11 AM in St Martin d'Aspres, born 13 aug 1817 in La chapelle Vieil , living in les Bourdinières wife of Jacques Louis Massot, farmer in les Bourdinières, daughter of the late Jean Louis Simon Desportes and the late Barbe Euphrasie Thibout ,
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marriage Jean Louis Simon Desportes , haberdasher,22 years'old born in La Chapelle Viel , 7 nivose an 2 , son of the late Simon Desportes( died in la Chapelle Viel 4 nov 1811), and Julie Victoire Marais( living in La Chapelle Viel), here present and consenting,
and Barbe Efrasie Thibout,24 years'old, born in Ste Gauburge 22 march 1792
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Witnesses : Simon Jean Desportes , 56, uncle,Jean Alexis Chevallier brother in law of the bride, Louis Roc Thibout brother of the bride ,Jacques desportes brother in law of the bride
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part3 :Witnesses : Simon Jean Desportes , 56, uncle,Jean Alexis Chevallier brother in law of the bride, Louis Roc Thibout brother of the bride ,Jacques desportes brother in law of the bride
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The first signature = (Jean Louis) Simon Des Portes (the groom)
Thibout was written thiboust
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Marriage Simon Desportes son of the late Antoine (desportes ) and Renée VICE and Julie Victoire Marais , daughter of the late Louis (marais )and Marguerite JOURDAN and 6 june 1791 in La Chapelle Vieil, all from this parish , Engagementwas celebrated the day before in this church.
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4 feb 1777 in Sainte Colombe sur Risle marriage Julien Thiboust son of Julien and the late Barbe Bonhomme from this parish Marie françoise PEZOT daughter of the late Jean and and Louise Bize from Ste Gauburge married without any impeachment except that of consanguinity « de quatre « from which they were excepted by by Mr Lagond , vicar of the bishop of Sées on the 30 th of january , letter signed Le Riche de Chevaigné, generam vicar and contersigned by the secretary of the bishop Langin
Witnesses : Julien Thibout , father , Jean Thibout , cousin germain,Louise Bize ,mother , Jean ?, uncle ,Adrien Desportes , cousin,
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birth Simon françois Desportes 1762 In La Chapelle Viel son of Antoine Desportes and René Vice
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birth Julie Victoire marais in la Chapelle Viel 7 feb 1767 daughter of Louis marais and Marguerite Jourdan
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death Simon Desportes 4 nov 1811 , at 10 AM,in la Chapelle Vieil ,married man ( no name of the wife), land owner
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death Julie Victoire Marais 29 june 1835, in La chapelle Vieil ,hamlet la Sirouillerie, widow of Simon Desportes,
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Hello Joger, I've come back to find even more wonderful information. I have a lot to catch up on. You've done amazingly. I can't thank you enough.
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birth julien thiboust 31 oct 1753, sainte colombe sur risle to julien thiboust and barbe bonhomme,godfather françois bonhomme ,subdeacon of the parish of st hilaire ( sur Risle), godmother Marie Mesnel
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Hello valeriet , it's good to have you back . I hope that you are feeling better.
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marriage jean paizot son of pierre paizot and marie DEBRAY and louise bize daughter of the late Christophe bize and the late Françoise JEHAN , on tuesday 2d august 1746, in Ste Gauburge sur Risle,
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marriage julien thibout, son of the late jean thibout and marie mesnel from the parish of ste colombe and Barbe Bonhomme , daughter of the late pierre Bonhomme and marguerite HUREL from this parish ( Saint-Hilaire-sur-Risle) 11 may 1750
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marriage thibout mesnel, 8 july 1702
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death Barbe Bonhomme 15 december 1755 in Ste Colmombe sur Risle , wife of julien THIBOUST
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Marriage Pierre Bonhomme , son of françois Bonhomme and Jeanne BLAVETTE and Marguerite Hurel daughter of Ursin HUREL and Louise PRODHOMME 11 october 1712 in St Hilaire sur Risle
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marriage Pierre Payzot son of Michel Pezot and Françoise THIRARD from the parish of Chaumenil and Marie Debray daughter of the late germain Debray and Jeanne BE(S)CHET from this parish
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birth Jean Paizot 2 october 1726 Ste gauburge sur Risle
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birth Louise BIZE 4 june 1723 Ste Colombe sur Risle
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marriage BIZE JEHAN 1722 Ste Colombe sur Risle
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3 july 1702 marriage of jean Thiboust son of Julien and françoise Le seigneur from this parish and Marie mesnel daughter of the late Jean Mesnel and the late Barbe Boutelet from the parish of Sanint André d'Echaufour
the act is page 27
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birth julien thiboust 17 feb 1719 ste Colombe sur Risle
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In Notre dame des Aspres , 1756, 23 feb , after the publication of the banns of the future marriage of Antoine Desportes , son of Gilles et Jeanne Le poivre from this parish, 25 years’old,and renée VICE , 35 years’old,daughter of the late Jean Vice and the late Renée Lacroix, from the parish of ST-AQUILIN, diocese of SEES, without any empeachment or opposition, as it appeared to me after the reading of the « lettre de remise « of master herbert , deservant of the parish of St Aquilein,after the engagement ceremony made yesterday in st Aquilin, I gave the matrimonial benediction, with the consent of the father and mother of the groom, Jean, Gilles and pierre desportes , brothers of the groom,André Belalier,, Christophe marchand,françois Chevilonn , cousins,marin Vice , brother of the bride,Louis Jeault, brother in law,jean Morcire, brother in law,François Lacroix,,cousin,Marin Mulier,another cousin, and other relatives , some of whom have signed, the others said they could not , they testified the ages and residences of the bride and groom.
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birth and baptisme Antoine Desportes 26 jan 1731 in La Ferrière -au-Doyen to Gilles desportes and Jeanne Le Poivre
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birth renée vice 6 september 1721 in St Aquilin de Corbion to jean Vice and Renée Delacroix, gofather and godmother Jean Huet and Barbe Mulier from the parish of Bonmoulin
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death antoine desportes 10 may 1789 , interred on the eleventh La Chapelle Viel, around 58 years'old
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death jeanne lepoivre 24 january 1781, widow of gilles desportes , around 76 years'old in la chapelle viel
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death gilles desportes around 62 years'old 28 september 1765 La chapelle Viel
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birth giles desportes 2 november 1702 in La ferrière au Doyen to marin desportes and Marie COTARD was baptized by the curate of Ronxous , the godfather was the curate priest of la Ferrière Louis Chardon , the godmother was "noble dame" barbe catherine Ferault.birth giles desportes 2 november 1702 in La ferrière au Doyen to marin desportes and Marie COTARD
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birth jeanne lepoivre (written lepouevre , as it was pronounced in thoses days)19 july 1704 in St Aquilin de Corbion to jean lepouevre and Catherine (Chatrine)Espert godfather René Duchesne , sieur du bison ,godmother Madeleine (madlaine) Lepouèvre from the parish of Solignie (Soligny):
but I found another Jeanne lepoivre born 16 march 1704 in st ouen de secherouvre, orne.
In order to know for certain which one was your ancestor I should look for a marriage contract .
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unfortunately the marriage contracts aren't digitized for the Orne departement.
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marriage gilles desportes and jeanne lepoivre 28 feb 1704 in la ferrière au Doyen, witnesses : master françois Chevault , docteur en medecine, laurent fleury, jacques chartier, michel lemercier
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signatures: gilles portes and the mark of the said jeanne lepoivre
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marriage jean visse son of the late Marquis and the late Marie PIGNARD and Renée Delacroix daughter of the late Thomas and Marguerite LERMINIER 14 nov 1720 in Bonsmoulins
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marriage gilles desportes and jeanne lepoivre 28 feb 1704 in la ferrière au Doyen, witnesses : master françois Chevault , docteur en medecine, laurent fleury, jacques chartier, michel lemercier
Sorry I made a mistake when I wrote the date :Marriage took place in 1724 not 1704
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24 november 1755 in La Chapelle Viel Marriage Louis MARAIS son of the late Louis and Jeanne MARGRITE , his father and mother, from this parish,and Marguerite Genevieve JOURDAN daughter of the late Pierre Jourdan and Marie Couppé, from the parish of Crulé (Crulai)
Witnesses Jeanne Margrite The groom's mother, Pierre and Adrien Marais , his brothers, Thomas and Jean Margrite , his uncles,Jean Couppé uncle, Pierre, Adrien and Jacques Mais, cousins,Nicolas Guillemin, cousin, Thomas Margrite, Marie Couppé the bride's mother,Marie JOURDAn her sister,Michel Marais brother in law,Noel Couppé, uncle,Louis Couppé , cousin,Pierre daligan and Richard Fichet and some other witnesses .
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3 march 1731 in Crulai birth of Louis marais to Louis and jeanne MARGUERITTE (his wife) , godfather Thomas margueritte, godmother Anne Marais.
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4 march 1733 in Crulai birth of Marguerite Geneviève Jourdan to Pierre Jourdan and his wife Marie Couppé, godfather Jean Cayois ? and godmother Marguerite Couppé.
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death Louis marais 9 dec 1782 , around 52 years'old in La Chapelle Viel
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death Marguerite Jourdan ,farmer, aged 75, 2 june 1807 in Notre Dame d'Aspres, born in Crulay, daughter of the late Pierrre Jourdann, Marie Coupay, widow of Louis Marais
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20 feb 1730 in CRULAI ,Marriage Louis marais ,son of Adrien Marais and jeanne DUBOIS ,and Jeanne MARGUERITTE (daughter of Pierre margueritte and Marie HERIPEL)
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birth Louis Adrien Marais son of Adrien and Jeanne DUBOIS 6 february 1704 in La Chapelle Viel
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death Louis Marais (son of Adrien ) farmer and laborer, 14 april 1745 in la Chapelle Viel
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death Jeanne MARGUERITE , widow of Louis marais , 74 years'old , in La Chapelle Viel , 6 dec 1778
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birth jeanne margueritte to pierre and marie Heripel
6 dec 1705 in Notre dame d'Aspres
godfather Thomas pillard , godmother marie margueritte
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15 november 1728 in Crulai Marriage Pierre Jourdan son of the late Simon Jourdan and Louise PILLARD and Marie COUPEY daughter of Louis and Marguerite TASDHOMME, all from this parish
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birth Pierre Jourdan 15 march 1703 Notre Dame d'Aspres ,to Simon and Louise Pillard, godfather françois Pillard from the parish of La Capelle Viel , godmother Jeanne ? from this parish
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death marie Coupey , widow of Pierre Jourdan 21 germinal an 5 (10 april 1797) in la Chapelle Viel (hamlet of La Chapelle) aged 95 years'old or so , registrant Louis Marais
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death pierre Jourdan 22 may 1753 in Crulai
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birth marie marguerite Coupé 3 october 1703 in Crulai
Godfather Jean de saint yves, godmother gabrielle de l'omone
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Back to Jean Vice (or Visse).birth jean Vice to Marquis and Marie Seignard 15 march 1698 in St Léger de la Haye, godfather jacques tellier, godmother marie Pirard wife of jean Ruisnel?
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19 february 1697 in la Genevraie marriage Marquis François Vice( son of Abraham ) and marie Pleignard (daughter of Robert) both from this parish.
No mention of the mothers's names
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27 april 1661 in La Genevraie marriage Abraham Vice /Philippa Gautry , in the church of La Haye were present François gautry and Jeanne Gau... her father and mother
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death Abraham Vice 22 may 1691 in St léger de la Haye
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birth 24 september 1666 in St léger de la Haye Marquis VICE to Abraham and Philippa Gautry , godfather Jacques le tellier , godmother Jacqueline Le Queru , from Surdon , daughter of Marquis Le Quéru.
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Now I understand the origin of this rare forename Marquis : the godmother gave him her father's forename.
In any case do not imagine that he was a marquis, marquess,etc...he was not a noble .
Let me dispel any misunderstanding : if he had been a marquis he would have been called Monsieur le Marquis de ...
Marquis is only a forename in this case.
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2d marriage of Abraham Vice with Elisabeth Panthou in St léger de la Haye :
you have Abraham's signature : A VICE
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Marriage of the parents of Renée Delacroix born 1698 in Ecorcei:
Thomas Delacroix, son of Thomas and Doursaincte JOUBERT from the parish of St Martin de L'Aigle married Marguerite LHERMINIER daughter of Marin and Jeanne LEFEBURE ( or LEFEBVRE) from this parish 23 november 1676
The groom could sign , the bride could not (the marc (mark) of the said margueritte lherminier)
Doursaincte is highly unprobable , I rather think she could be Toussainte .
Added : birth of their son thomas 1649 rather shows Poursaincte GOUBERT. Feminine form of Pourçain , Poursaint ?
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birth Thomas Delacroix 20 june 1649 St martin de L4Aigle to Thomas and Poursaincte Goubert
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death Thomas delacroix (senior) 26 february 1701 St martin de l'Aigle, 80 years'old, pierre Goubert and Thomas goubert were present . Interred in the church.
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death Poursainte Goubert 24 november 1685 in L'Aigle paroisse Saint Martin
, wife of Thomas Delacroix
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birth Poursainte Goubert 19 december 1628 in L'Aigle , paroisse Saint Martin , to jean Goubert and Marguerite LUCAS? godfather Robert Moustadier ? godmother Marguerite Goubert
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Marriage a thomas delacroix and Catherine Nourry 16 février 1643 in L'Aigle , parish Saint martin
http://gaia.orne.fr/mdr/index.php/docnumViewer/calculHierarchieDocNum/376103/1057:371400:372057:376103/1440/2560
Another Thomas delacroix or another wife?
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death marie Pignard wife of Marquis VICE 20 november 1709 Saint Aquilin de Corbion
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death marguerite LHERMINIER, widow (of Thomas Delacroix ) 19 september 1738 in Saint Aquilin de Corbion
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death jeanne lefebure widow of marin lherninier 29 march 1694 Ecorcei
, interred in the church
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death marin lherminier in Ecorcei 15 july 1695 , interred in the church
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Back to the parents of Georges Gustave Chevrot (Chevreaux) : I found his mother Louise Adelaide Stélie Massot in the 1872 Census in Le Merlerault , Orne ( a village of 1400 souls ),(50 kms from Verneuil where her husband died in 1870). She lived in the siuth side of le Bourg (the center) )
She lives alone (without the boys Georges Gustave and Léon Victor Alphège), she is 29, she is a milliner, said to have been born in Notre Dame d'Aspres, widow Chevreau , there is a mistake with her first forename : she is said to be Anna Adelaide Stélie MASSOT.
I checked the possible birth of a girl called Anna Adelaide Stélie Massot in Notre Dame d'Aspres , and Saint Martin d'Aspres : found none at all. So the woman of the census is Louise .
I could not find a remarriage or her death , not yet .
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back to the trees: 1st one
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Prieur tree
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Delacroix tree
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Vice tree
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I must keep on working on the HUREL and RADIGOIS trees .
I am still trying to find Marie Marguerite Dupuy but there are so many of Marie Marguerite Dupuy that I am afraid it will be impossible if you don't have any clues .
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Louise Adelaide Stélie was no longer living in le Merlerault in 1876 (checked the census)
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death Louis Hurel
22 october 177-82 Ste Scolasse
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death marie Bousdin 30 december 1772 Ste Scolasse
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Marriage Marin Boudin , widower, and Marie LORIDE daughter of Robert and the late Marie LEFEBURE
30 may 1741 in Ste Scolasse (got an exemption for the 3d to the 4th degree of consanguinity)
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35 july 1724 St Germain le Vieux marriage marin Hurel son of Jean and Anne DUVAL,and Suzanne GAUTRY daughter of Charles and Thmasse PISSOT from the parish of SurdonWitnesses :Pierre Hurel (brother)and pierre Hurel (brother), françois Robine, Pierre Dugay brother in law ,Pierre gautry , Thomasse Pissot,François Gautry (brother of the bride),michel gautier, Jacques Pissot and François Robasse.
The bride could not sign , the groom could.
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birth Marie (Jacqueline )BOUSDIN 23 august 1742 Sainte Scolasse, godfather Jacques Loride , godmother Marie Bousdin
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marriage Robert Loride son of the late Claude and Charlotte LESERGEANT and marie LEFEBURE daughter of Mathurin and Louise du GIROUAUD? from the parish of St Etienne sur Sarthe, 7 january 1712 in Ste Scolasse
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Birth of marie LORIDE to Robert loride and Marie Lefebure 22 march 1715 Ste Scolasse
Gofather michel Loride ´ godmother elisabeth Loride
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Marin Boudin who married Marie Loride , is said to be a widower , but the former wife's name is not given.
I could not find the former wife 's death .
The only couple with a Marin Boudin that I could find is this one : Marin Boudin and Marie Boudin , married 30 nov 1726 , Ste Scolasse, wich gives his parents' names : Jean Boudin and Barbe Blavette.
Marin and Marie Boudin had 5 daughters between 1728 and 1737.
Then he married your ancestor in 1741.
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Back to the death of Marie Bousdin ( page 34).
She was interred in the cemetery by permission of justice because of her sudden death , she was 32.
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birth Marin Boudin, 11 february 1706 in Ste Scholasse, to Jean Boudin and Barbe Blavette, godfather Charles Coulboeuf , godmother Marie Huttin
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12 february 1697 marriage Jean Boudin ( 23 years's old))son of Jean and Barbe RAGOT and Bare Blavette (24) daughter of Jean and Marthe VALET
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Possible birth of Robert Loride 29 nov 1694 in Sainte Scolasse
You will notice that the Christian name of the baby is not written : ... Loride son of Claude and Charlotte Le sergeant. I found many baptism "acts" without any Christian name for the baby . The priest did not write in the register during the baptism , sometimes he wrote down one or several baptisms , marriages or burials and forgot the name that was given to the baby .
I could not not find Robert's in the registers , which allows us to think that this one could be his.
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I must keep on working on the HUREL and RADIGOIS trees .
I am still trying to find Marie Marguerite Dupuy but there are so many of Marie Marguerite Dupuy that I am afraid it will be impossible if you don't have any clues .
She seems a mystery. There was talk that she was originally a nun who left the nunnery for a relationship but I have no idea how true that is.
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I' am afraid that the story of the nun is of no help.
May be she was a "novice" and decided that she 'd rather not become a nun. A novice can change her mind within at least 2 years before becoming a nun.
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5 april 1694 death jean Boudin , 60 years'old , buried in Ste Scolasse , from the parish of Bures .
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I' am afraid that the story of the nun is of no help.
May be she was a "novice" and decided that she 'd rather not become a nun. A novice can change her mind within at least 2 years before becoming a nun.
Yes that's a possibility. What kind of information would be helpful do you think?
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The name of a village , town, city where she lived . It is easy to find "when" if you know "where" .
The contrary is impossible because there are more than 36 000 villages and towns in France.
I almost finished working on the Hurel and Radigois trees. Then I will search in the places where Georges Gustave's brother lived (I have a list of places where he worked on his military fiche).Maybe he was living with his brother and met Marie Marguerite there.
Leon Victor Alphège never married , he was a bachelor when he died in 1904, he was a miller like his father. The sister died soon after her birth.
Georges Gustave's marriage can't be found on Filae ( I also asked for help on the "helping hands "forum) or Geneanet .
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I found a Robert LORIDE born 10 march 1686 to Claude Loride and Charlotte Lesergeant, godfather Robert Lesage priest of Sainte Scolasse and godmother Françoise Moulin (the godmother is in the Hurel tree ( I'll send it when I have finished), mother of Michel Radigois)
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birth Michel RADIGOIS 1725 Sta Scolasse to Michel and Anne CHORAN godfather Marin Radigois and godmother Michele Radigois, could not sign
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Marriage Claude Loride approximately 26 ( son of Charles Lesergeant and Elisabeth LEVESQUE) and Charlotte LE SERGEANT approximatly 21 ( daughter of Félix Le sergent and Marie LAPRON) 30 july 1682 in Ste Scolasse
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birth Michel Radigois 16 october 1695 Ste Scolasse to Claude and Mathurine HAVARD, godfather Michel leveque , godmother Catherine Moulin
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9 may 1689 ste Scolasse Marriage Michel Radigois approx 25 (son of Claude and Mathurine Havard)and Françoise Moulin (daughter of Nicolas and Marguerite Levesque) approx 25
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24 july 1717 Ste Scolasse Marriage Michel Radigois son of the late Michel and Françoise Moulin , and Anne CHORAN daughter of Benoist and Marie BOSSARD all from this parish
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1 may 1755 Ste Solasse marriage Michel Radigois (son of the late Michel and the late Anne Choran)and Elisabeth CHAMPEAUX (daughter of René and Elisabeth Peuré from Bures)
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birth Michel Radigois 16 october 1695 Ste Scolasse to Claude and Mathurine HAVARD, godfather Michel leveque , godmother Catherine Moulin
Sorry , I made a mistake in the translation : birth Michel radigois 17 october 1695 to Michel and Françoise Moulin
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Marriage Charles Peurey and Michelle Belley 11 october 1684 in Bures, no parents names
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Well, I think I have done what I could for you .
I cannot find much more .
I do hope that you will be able to put all the trees together .
Don't hesitate to comme back if there is something that you don't understand or if I made a mistake.
You have quite a few villages to discover if you go there on holydays!
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Oh I've not been here for so long - life and all of that....but I'm well enough to get back to putting regular time into my Family History. I have to say a huge thank you for doing so much work on finding my ancestors in France, Joger. I would never have been able to do this let alone all of the translation from French to English. You are an absolute star.