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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: InvisiblesRus on Wednesday 30 January 19 18:39 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone know of a list of barracks used by the British Army during this period? It seems my 2x Great Grandfather (and his Irish wife and daughter?) may have spent a number of years, while he was serving, in Ireland. The list I got from the Rifles Brigade museum only says ‘Ireland’. As I’ve no idea what happened to any of them, I’m looking for possible leads. Ireland seems a possibility....
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Where were his wife and child born?
Do you have the child’s birth certificate - that might give you an indication.
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His wife was from Birr (Parsonstown), they claimed the daughter was born in Manchester (UK Census 1891/1901), but I have found no birth registration for her. I know Charles was at Crinkill Barracks in 1873, as I have his marriage certificate from the Church of Ireland there.
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If you can't find a birth Registration for the child -- have you tried looking at British Army births? They may be listed elsewhere as well - but you can see them on Find My Past. They are supposed to be the Army births from overseas, but you never know, she may be listed there.
If she is you can still order a birth cert from the General Register Office in Southport (I know that's not what you are after, but it may give the father's actual location at that time.
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She’s not listed in regimental births, sadly...
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Presumably this is Salter of the 2nd Battalion Rifle Brigade that you have posted about before??
I don't believe there is a simple list to go to. Google comes up for example with barracks in County Cork http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~mturner/genealogy/cork/barracks.htm
Another search on "British Army barracks Dublin" brings up all sorts of possiblities. Then there were barracks in Kildare, another load of Google hits.http://www.kildare.ie/library/ehistory/2012/11/brits_out_recalling_the_britis.asp
That's just from places I can think of immediately, others may think of other places.
You have named a total of 14 years. Theye weren't in Ireland all that time, the list you have should show which years. Try also searching the newspaper archive on FindMyPast with "2nd Battalion Rifle Brigade"each year in turn, the reports will give clues. examples Jan 1873 - Birr May 1876 - Winchester 1880 Gibraltar. Note though that all the battalion were not necessarily in the same barracks.
Sorry if it sounds as if I am being difficult, it is just that I am unsure what you will get out of knowing where they were? Crinkill barracks itself is often rendered as Birr because that is where the barracks was.
MaxD
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There were barracks all over the place. Get a map of Ireland and a pack of pins; close your eyes and stick pins in the map - chances are, a lot of pins will be near sites of former barracks. Alternatively, select a large town in any Irish county and you'll probably find army barracks.
A large proportion of the British Army were Irish in 19th century.
Tens of thousands of troops were stationed in Ireland during that century.
The period you're interested in was the time of agitation connected with the Irish Land League.
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There's an interactive online map of army barracks in Ireland. It's earlier than the time you asked about but I should think that many barracks on the map would still have been used in late 19thC.
Army Barracks of Eighteenth Century Ireland
https://barracks18c.ucd.ie
It's part of a project "Mapping State and Society in Eighteenth Century Ireland.
270 barracks active between 1690 and 1815 have been mapped. There's more detailed information + pictures about barracks in County Armagh. I clicked on "updates" but no mention as to details to be added for barracks in other counties.
The Irish history website https://www.historyireland.com has an article about the Curragh Camp, opened 1855. Thousands of troops were stationed at it. There was a large resident population who made a living by servicing the camp, including a bunch of immoral ladies known as "wrens". The regular number of "wrens" was estimated at around 100 but was said to rise to 500 when the Curragh was full of troops. Put barracks into search box on this website to find articles about barracks in other places.
Googling army barracks in Ireland 1800-1900 brings up plenty of pictures.
Military History Society of Ireland may be worth a look.
There are more posts on RootsChat and other forums about army in Ireland.
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Thanks a lot!
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MaxD, what I am most interested in finding out is where his wife might have had contacts due to her husband’s postings. It might give me a clue about death certificates worth checking for his wife, who may have returned to Ireland after she was widowed. Yes, it’s Charles Salter and his peculiarly untraceable family... he, his wife, his daughter and granddaughter ALL just disappear.
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Would you mind giving us the names of the wife, daughter and grandddaughter please? Someone may just be able to find them.
It is possible they returned to Ireland - but you would think only to the wife's family links. For work reasons more Irish people came and stayed over here (or perhaps went to America). If the wife did return to Ireland I can only think she returned to her own family.
When do you actually 'lose' them please?
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Have you searched for a death registration on Irish Genealogy website? Salter isn't a common surname in Ireland so there aren't many to trawl through. Do you know her forenames? Age at death is included entries in index. Images of death registers after c1880 can be viewed. Earlier ones are being added. Occupation box usually has "wife of farmer", "labourer's widow" etc.
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Would you mind giving us the names of the wife, daughter and grandddaughter please?
Charles Salter married Mary Carroll. Her abode at marriage was Moor Park Street, Birr. Her father was Denis Carroll who was a millwright.
Have you discounted Mary Salter, widow, at Blackrock Road, Cork, Cork Urban no. 5 on 1901 census? Her age on census was 42. She was niece to head of household, William Blake. Also in household was Grace Salter, 17, born Devonport, Devon. She was William's great-niece so perhaps Mary's daughter. Her birthplace might imply a family connection to army or navy. Also present was Reta Williamson, nephew, who was female. ;D
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Hi,
I hope someone on this thread can answer my question: when a British soldier died at a barracks in Ireland @1850 what was done with the body?
Also has anyone heard of Wenery, (maybe wenersy or winersy, etc.) Barracks?
Any help appreciated. thanks, Jann
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Jann,
Your other thread here has replies re this topic.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=845639.
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Does anyone know of a list of barracks used by the British Army during this period? It seems my 2x Great Grandfather (and his Irish wife and daughter?) may have spent a number of years, while he was serving, in Ireland. The list I got from the Rifles Brigade museum only says ‘Ireland’. As I’ve no idea what happened to any of them, I’m looking for possible leads. Ireland seems a possibility....
Here are two links that show the locations of the Rifle Brigade (RB) over the period you seek. In particular note that for two years after 1881 the 2nd and 3rd Battalions RB remained at Cork/Curragh (2nd) and Dublin (3rd):
1. https://web.archive.org/web/20120808222131/http://www.remthepast.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/location.html
2. Click on each of the numbered battalions listed under “Regulars” at this link to see their movement (there are some errors but most are correct): https://web.archive.org/web/20080118040229/http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/inf/095RB.htm
3. This link lists all the depot locations after 1874, including those in Ireland: https://web.archive.org/web/20080118043743/http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/depot/1873.htm
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Frogsmile thanks for those links. My ancestor married a member of the Welsh Fusilier regiment in Ireland during the time of the first list.
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Frogsmile thanks for those links. My ancestor married a member of the Welsh Fusilier regiment in Ireland during the time of the first list.
Well that's a coincidence then. I enlisted as a Boy with the Royal Welch Fusiliers myself and served 12-years before transferring elsewhere.
You might also find this link of interest: https://web.archive.org/web/20080118041521/www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/lists/bargxrefn.htm
It's very good, but does have some errors because it was compiled pre-internet.
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I have members of one of my ancestral families the McCormicks, born in the Enniscorthy Barracks,Co. Wexford over a 150-year period. They were members of the British Army's various Regiments of Foot. Occasionally they were based in Shropshire in England but returned to Enniscorthy if they were still alive after their battle assignments. Family traveled with them all over the world including to Barbados, Jamaica, the East and West Coasts of India, even the Andaman Islands (Spice Islands). I gather families were often left aboard ship anchored offshore to avoid the current conflicts in various places.