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hi there I know when this marriage occurred 19/feb/1826 between james Gibson and anne cundell st annes soho is there anybody who has access to this parish record as I am trying to find out the names of the parents of this couple it would be so helpful in my research as I am in Sydney Australia with no direct access I would be most grateful for any information thank you in anticipation regards chris (giblew) :)
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Mothers names are never shown on English marriage certs and fathers names were only shown from 1.7.1837
They married 1.3.1826 - not 19.2.1826.
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The actual date looks like 27th of Feb. The date you have may be from the banns take the week earlier.
No parents are listed, as CaroleW has noted.
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Marriage was 1st March - see my addition above
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Marriage was 1st March - see my addition above
I saw an index for both 01 Mar, and 06 Mar, but from the image I'm seeing "twenty (seven?) February. It is hard to read. Do you want a snippet to check.... it might very well be my old eyes!
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Aha! Even though it is just banns, they use the "so and so were married on whatever date", as now I see a second image for 01 Mar.
In case the witness names help, they were J. White and J(s) Davies.
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:D thank you all for the information I was trying to confirm a link between james and ann(e) in regards to james gibsons son William Ignace Gibson b.8/oct/1826 as on his christening his mother was ann and this is the only ann I can find who married james around the dates that would be suitable as far as I know ann died in oct 1828 and buried 30/oct/1828 st Marylebone two years after her son was born and this marriage in Westminster is the only one I can find if you can think of any other way I maybe how to link this couple to William Ignace Gibson who is my great grandfather thank you once again for your help. chris (giblaw)
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I am assuming that William Ignace Gibson was the composer that went by Ignace Gibsone (1826 -1897)?
A mini biography of Ignace Gibsone lists James and Ann as his parents, but I have no idea of where they got that info: https://musicalics.com/en/node/98594
Other sites that Google showed lists Ignace as of Scottish and French heritage. If I have been tracking James correctly, he is Scottish, so that leaves Ann as possibly French. Could they have married in Scotland?
Again, if I am chasing the right fellow, James is alone in 1841 census, musician, living in Maidstone, but by 1851, he is with a new wife Elizabeth, and several children, oldest being 17. I can't find her and the children in 1841 so far.
It seems this James died in 1860, and there is an article on his death, which gives no family mention, but talks a bit about his music. If you think I'm on the right track, I'll write out the article.
EDIT Ignore the 1841 census mentioned in this post. Please see Reply #8 by Trish1120 for the correct one.
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I have a different 1841 Census I think than you bbart?
1841 Census
St Pancras, Middlesex
James Gibson, 40, Pr0fessor of Pianoforte, born Scotland
Elizabeth Gibson, 30, not born in County
WILLIAM Gibson, 15****
Robert Gibson, 8
Thomas Gibson, 6
James Gibson, 4
Barbara Shepherd, 30, Laundress
Henry Shepherd, 6
Margaret Witteman, 25, Dressmaker
Esther Ashbournne, 35, Servant
Trish :)
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There is a Ann CUNDELL christened 10 January 1803 St James, Westminster to WILLIAM/MARY
Siblings;
CHARLOTTE 1796
WILLIAM 1798
THOMAS 1800
BARBARA 1805
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I have a different 1841 Census I think than you bbart?
1841 Census
St Pancras, Middlesex
James Gibson, 40, Pr0fessor of Pianoforte, born Scotland
Elizabeth Gibson, 30, not born in County
WILLIAM Gibson, 15****
Robert Gibson, 8
Thomas Gibson, 6
James Gibson, 4
Barbara Shepherd, 30, Laundress
Henry Shepherd, 6
Margaret Witteman, 25, Dressmaker
Esther Ashbournne, 35, Servant
Trish :)
Thank goodness! The one I posted wasn't sitting right with me, especially when the 1851 had children over ten, and occupation was simply "musician" and nothing fancier.
I have checked mmn for the youngest children, and it looks like Elizabeth was nee Shepherd.
Thanks again, and if it is not too late for me to modify that post, I shall point out it is wrong. :)
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Aha! Even though it is just banns, they use the "so and so were married on whatever date", as now I see a second image for 01 Mar.
Are you perhaps looking at a very unclear image of the bishop's transcript?
The parish register itself (on another site) clearly shows the marriage on this sixth Day of March.
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Are you perhaps looking at a very unclear image of the bishop's transcript?
The parish register itself (on another site) clearly shows the marriage on this sixth Day of March.
I think this is exactly what happened. I didn't find the register you mention, but I did find a clear(er) list of banns dates, the last being 05 Mar. The name of whoever read the banns looks different than the person that married them.... I would have thought it would have been the same person?
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I didn't find the register you mention, but I did find a clear(er) list of banns dates, the last being 05 Mar. The name of whoever read the banns looks different than the person that married them.... I would have thought it would have been the same person?
I think the banns would be read by whoever happened to be taking the service on each of the relevant Sundays, not necessarily the Rector.
Incidentally, Roderick McLeod, who performed the marriage, was a well-known local figure, Rector of St Anne Soho for nearly 40 years, 1806-1845 (according to J. D. Cardwell, Two Centuries of Soho: its Institutions, Firms and Amusements, London, 1898, p. 9).
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Thanks for that, Bookbox. Now that you point out the name McLeod, I can make that out on the snippet I posted. I would have never gotten it by just looking (squinting) at mine.
:)
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:)thank you bbart & trish I do have all the information you have both posted also James Gibson being Scottish I think he may have been born in St Cuthberts Edinburgh circa 1801 I guess the main problem for my research before I can move on is the confirmation that Ann Cundell is the mother of William Ignatius b. 1826 Marylebone London his siblings were born to Elizabeth anne shepherd but once again have not been able to find a marriage to james Gibson so any help on this marriage would be great. so appreciative of your help chris (giblaw)
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I cant see a Marriage but Elizabeth Bapt 1809 and Sister Barbara Bapt 1804 are on Free REG in Little Walsingham, Norfolk, Parents JOHN/ANN nee Sizeland.
1871 Barbara Sheppard, 66 (1805) Norfolk is with her Son Henry and Family in St Pancras.
Dont worry about it bbart, I have made plenty of errors on here! The point is we all work together to find a solution :)