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Hello again everyone! Hope you're all well.
I've been trying to dig a bit into my great grandfather Joseph Tierney and find out more about his father / grandfather. I realized I had the wrong information and kind of messed with my family tree a bit and this section has always stumped me the most since it never turned up any promising results, especially in a few reference sites such as familysearch. I'm looking to see if I can find out more about Joseph's father's father / mother in particular.
Here is some info on Joseph. He was born in Granville, New York around 1900 and died in SEP 1974 in Staten Island. He worked in the Works Progress Administration during the New Deal from what I was able to pull up. His wife's name was Marie A. Kurth.
His father's name is Michael J. (or F.) Tierney and was allegedly born in Ireland around SEP 1857 and died perhaps in 1952 in the Bronx. From my family's word of mouth, his wife's maiden name was either Mary or Maria Gleason. There was a Brennan showing up with those records, but they insist that isn't her, unless they're wrong?
If anyone would be able to assist and least help point in the right direction, I'd be grateful!
Thank you!
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This must be Joseph Tierney with h9is parents in 1910 - High Street Granville, Washington, New York.
Michael Tierney 57 born 1853 Ireland.
Mary Tierney 55
William Tierney 24
Patrick Tierney 21
Joseph Tierney 10
Catherine Tiemen 8
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Pretty sure that's them! Know they lived in Granville for sometime as well.
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1920 census East Main Granville, Washington, New York. (would have been in the region of 97 years old if he died in 1952)
Michael Tierney 65
Mary Tierney 63
Thomas L Tierney 32
Patrick G Tierney 31
Joseph Tierney 20
Catherine Tierney 15
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVS1-H9D
Sandra
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Marriage of Thomas L Tierney confirms mothers maiden name ................
Thomas L Tierney - 1888 - marriage 1 February 1926 Clinton, New York. Aged 38 years.
Father Michael Tierney Mother Mary Gleason
Spouse: Mary L
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FF5T-Q1G
The Troy Record (Troy, New York) 18 Nov 1957, Mon - Page 19
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27903549/thomas_l_tierney/
Sandra
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1930 census Rogers Avenue Granville, Washington, New York.
Michael Tierney 76
Mary Tierney 73
Patrick Tierney 41
Margaret Mcdonough 70 sister-in-law
Sandra
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1940 census Roger Avenue Granville, Washington, New York.
Mary Tierney 85 widowed.
James Tierney 57 single
Patrick G Tierney 51 single
Sandra
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Michael J Tierney passed away 1932 - address is the same as the 1930 census
Shame obituary just says Ireland :-\
The Post-Star (Glens Falls, New York) - 27 May 1932, Fri - Page 1
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27866602/m_j_tierney/
The Post-Star (Glens Falls, New York) 5 Nov 1928, Mon - Page 6
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27901424/michael_tierney/
Sandra
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Joseph's WWI draft registration card - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXBV-JFC
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In case you don't have it, the NY death index says Mary Tierney died age 66 on 13 Apr. 1941 in Granville. Her obituary is here - http://www.fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%2019/Albany%20NY%20Knickerbocker%20News/Albany%20NY%20Knickerbocker%20News%201941/Albany%20NY%20Knickerbocker%20News%201941%20-%202365.pdf
There is a John Tierney who died in Granville on 28 May 1896. Thought it might be worth noting, in case he's another relative.
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Sadly Michael's birth before start of civil registration in Ireland, so not to be found on irishgenealogy.com, I looked on rootsireland.ie for the baptism of a Michael 1853 +_ 1 and there are 9.
Might there be any marriage records for NY? They say 33 years married in 1910.
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Michael J Tierney passed away 1932 - address is the same as the 1930 census
Shame obituary just says Ireland :-\
The Post-Star (Glens Falls, New York) - 27 May 1932, Fri - Page 1
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27866602/m_j_tierney/
Sandra
Darn, but that is a good find though! Glad it had a few job descriptions for his kids.
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Patrick G Tierney executor for William T Munson (partner in coal-business)
The Post-Star (Glens Falls, New York) 27 Sep 1946, Fri - Page 8
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27867320/patrick_g_tierney_executor/
The Post-Star (Glens Falls, New York) 17 Oct 1927, Mon - Page 7
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27901348/patrick_tierney/
Sandra
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Mary Tierney died age 66 on 13 Apr. 1941 in Granville.
That obituary says she was 83....
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In case you don't have it, the NY death index says Mary Tierney died age 66 on 13 Apr. 1941 in Granville. Her obituary is here - http://www.fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%2019/Albany%20NY%20Knickerbocker%20News/Albany%20NY%20Knickerbocker%20News%201941/Albany%20NY%20Knickerbocker%20News%201941%20-%202365.pdf
There is a John Tierney who died in Granville on 28 May 1896. Thought it might be worth noting, in case he's another relative.
That's her. And i'll take a look and see if there's any connections between Michael and John. Thank you!
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Patrick G Tierney passed away in 1952
The Times Record (Troy, New York) 17 Jun 1952, Tue - Page 10
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27867545/the_times_record/
Sandra
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Martin Tierney -
FIND A GRAVE
1892 - 1932
Our Lady of Mount Carmel Cemetery Middle Granville, Washington County, New York.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/99152936
spouse - Alice McGrath Madden 1893 - 1980
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/99152960/alice-madden
Sandra
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Obituary for Martin Tierney (above)
The Post-Star (Glens Falls, New York) 22 Dec 1932, Thu - Page 2
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27867803/martin_tierney/
Sandra
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James Tierney
The Post-Star (Glens Falls, New York) 31 Dec 1958, Wed - Page 12
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27867924/james_tierney/
The Post-Star (Glens Falls, New York) 14 Aug 1928, Tue - Page 7
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27901319/michael_tierney/
The Post-Star (Glens Falls, New York) 25 Oct 1929, Fri - Page 9
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27901392/james_and_michael_tierney/
Sandra
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Mary nee Tierney Culver
The Post-Star (Glens Falls, New York) 9 Mar 1976, Tue - Page 10
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27868001/mary_culver/
Sandra
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Kathryn T Dorrance - 1904 - 1978
FIND A GRAVE
Our Lady of Mount Carmel Cemetery Middle Granville, Washington County, New York.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/138940887
Marriage
The Post-Star (Glens Falls, New York) 10 Oct 1927, Mon - Page 10
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27869985/katherine_margaret_tierney/
Sandra
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1900 census Potter Avenue Granville, Washington, New York (some of the family wrongly transcribed as Linsey)
Micheal Tierney 48 Imm 1873. Marriage 1876
Mary Tierney 44 Imm 1874.
James Tierney 18
Mary Tierney 16
William Linsey 14
Thomas Linsey 13
Patrick Linsey 10
Martin Linsey 8
Joseph Linsey 7 months
If these dates are correct we would expect to find them on the 1880 census. First child born 4 years ish after marriage.
Sandra
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Sadly Michael's birth before start of civil registration in Ireland, so not to be found on irishgenealogy.com, I looked on rootsireland.ie for the baptism of a Michael 1853 +_ 1 and there are 9.
Might there be any marriage records for NY? They say 33 years married in 1910.
No sadly I couldn't find anything on my end, just the marriage certificates for a few of their children with the parents names on it.
And that's a shame with the pre civil registration. Guess its all but impossible to find anything concrete given how tough those records are to find / identify.
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Obituary for Martin Tierney (above)
The Post-Star (Glens Falls, New York) 22 Dec 1932, Thu - Page 2
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27867803/martin_tierney/
Sandra
I actually noticed that they said Joseph was a secret service member? I wonder if this had to do with the WPA? Interesting :o
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If you want to buy any records, you could try getting Michael's death certificate. It may list his parents' names, although the accuracy would depend on what the informant knew. If possible, it would likely be faster to order it from Granville rather than the state, which is currently backed up 8+ months on genealogical requests.
Might there be any marriage records for NY? They say 33 years married in 1910.
New York state didn't require vital registration until around 1880, so it's a bit hit or miss before that.
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If you want to buy any records, you could try getting Michael's death certificate. It may list his parents' names, although the accuracy would depend on what the informant knew. If possible, it would likely be faster to order it from Granville rather than the state, which is currently backed up 8+ months on genealogical requests.
Might there be any marriage records for NY? They say 33 years married in 1910.
New York state didn't require vital registration until around 1880, so it's a bit hit or miss before that.
Thank you for that tidbit. I've gone ahead and written a letter and will hopefully hear back from them in the coming weeks. Fingers crossed for any relevant details! :)
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This isn't much help and perhaps some of it may have already been mentioned but:
Thomas L Tierney, according to his marriage document, WWI Draft Reg Card, and Social Security App and Claims Index was born in Mineville, New York.
In 1900, it was claimed that Mary Tierney was the mother of 10 children, 7 still living. According to the New York Death Index, two girls/women died in 1893:
Kate, 21 March, Mineville
Maggie, 17 February, Mineville
Unfortunately, no ages were given. Perhaps Tierney was a common name in that part of New York and these women were not related; or, perhaps they were Mary's daughters?
I don't know how I missed it earlier tonight (when I started looking around) but this looks like the family in 1880:
1880 Mineville, Essex County, New York Census
Michael Tierney, age 28, works in Mines, born Ireland
Mary, age 25, wife, Keeping House, born Ireland
Maggie, age 2, daughter, born Pennsylvania
John, age 4/12, (born March), son, born New York
(Found on Familysearch website)
Update: The pay site that I use shows the family as Tiernery in 1880.
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The pay site also has
New York State Birth Index
James Tierny, born 11 July 1882, Mineville, New York
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1892 New York State Census, Moriah, Essex County - Tierney
Michael Tierney, age 39, born in Ireland, Labourer?
Mary, age 37, Ireland
Maggie, age 14, United States (as were the following children)
John, age 12
James, age 10
Mary, age 8
Wm, age 6
Tommie? (male), age 5
Patsey? (male), age 4
Katie, age 2
Martin, age 1
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...There is a John Tierney who died in Granville on 28 May 1896. Thought it might be worth noting, in case he's another relative.
Could he be John, born in 1880?
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Possibly births for (some of) your Tierneys (found on a pay site)
Born in Moriah, NY
Tierney, male. Born: 2 Apr 1884
Tierney, male. Born: 14 Jan 1885
Tierney, male. Born: 20 Feb 1887
Patrick Tierney. Born: 3 July 1888
Tierney, male. Born: 4 Oct 1892
Born in Mineville, NY
James Tierny. Born: 11 July 1882
Kate Tierney. Born: 5 Sep 1890
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There is possibly no connection, but I thought I would mention this (I don't think the following was previously mentioned): ;)
In 1880, the Tierneys were living in Mineville.
In 1892, the Tierneys were living in Moriah.
1880 Mineville Census - Gleason family
Martin Gleason, age 46, Works in Iron? Mines?, born Ireland
Mary, age 36, wife, Keeping House, born Ireland
James, age 13
Margret, age 11
Mary, age 9
John, age 4
William, age 10/12, born Aug
All children were born in New York. All were listed as Martin's and Mary's children.
1892 Moriah Census - Gleason
Martin, age 60, born Ireland
Mary, age 48, born Ireland
Maggie, age 24
Mary A, age 21
John, age 16
Wm, age 13
Possibly Mary A. Mc G???, age 6 (it doesn't state if she was in their household)
All children were born in New York
Could Martin Gleason be a relative of Mary Gleason Tierney? The Tierney and Gleason children shared common first names; were they just common names or did the Tierney and Gleason parents follow an Irish naming pattern?
Note: The 1900 Moriah census stated that Martin Gleason immigrated in 1854. So, possibly not a relative? Or, could he be an uncle or other family member?
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This isn't much help and perhaps some of it may have already been mentioned but:
Thomas L Tierney, according to his marriage document, WWI Draft Reg Card, and Social Security App and Claims Index was born in Mineville, New York.
In 1900, it was claimed that Mary Tierney was the mother of 10 children, 7 still living. According to the New York Death Index, two girls/women died in 1893:
Kate, 21 March, Mineville
Maggie, 17 February, Mineville
Unfortunately, no ages were given. Perhaps Tierney was a common name in that part of New York and these women were not related; or, perhaps they were Mary's daughters?
I don't know how I missed it earlier tonight (when I started looking around) but this looks like the family in 1880:
1880 Mineville, Essex County, New York Census
Michael Tierney, age 28, works in Mines, born Ireland
Mary, age 25, wife, Keeping House, born Ireland
Maggie, age 2, daughter, born Pennsylvania
John, age 4/12, (born March), son, born New York
(Found on Familysearch website)
Update: The pay site that I use shows the family as Tiernery in 1880.
Good spot Lisa. ;)
Maggie born Pennsylvania - so perhaps a PA marriage for Michael and Mary ???
1880 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ83-N1B
Sandra
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All good stuff, Lisa - all grist to the mill!!
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This isn't much help and perhaps some of it may have already been mentioned but:
Thomas L Tierney, according to his marriage document, WWI Draft Reg Card, and Social Security App and Claims Index was born in Mineville, New York.
In 1900, it was claimed that Mary Tierney was the mother of 10 children, 7 still living. According to the New York Death Index, two girls/women died in 1893:
Kate, 21 March, Mineville
Maggie, 17 February, Mineville
Unfortunately, no ages were given. Perhaps Tierney was a common name in that part of New York and these women were not related; or, perhaps they were Mary's daughters?
I don't know how I missed it earlier tonight (when I started looking around) but this looks like the family in 1880:
1880 Mineville, Essex County, New York Census
Michael Tierney, age 28, works in Mines, born Ireland
Mary, age 25, wife, Keeping House, born Ireland
Maggie, age 2, daughter, born Pennsylvania
John, age 4/12, (born March), son, born New York
(Found on Familysearch website)
Update: The pay site that I use shows the family as Tiernery in 1880.
Thank you for the insight, I appreciate it! I do know at least one of their children (James Tierney / NY Giants Secretary was born in Mineville, so i'll have to look and see if I can find the information you were referencing about the others (like John, didn't have him?).
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Oh didn't know there was another page when I replied haha. Let me take a look and see if I can cross reference.
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If the marriage of Michael and Mary was in Pennsylvania I think we would really need to know where ? I believe Pennsylvania marriages would be recorded at County level for that time frame. Sometimes we can only find these thru a search of newspapers, church records and obituaries. Although it was a long shot I tried to go thru every Tierney member to see if an obituary might have mentioned where in Ireland the parents originated from but alas nothing was ever mentioned.
Sandra
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1892 New York State Census, Moriah, Essex County - Tierney
Michael Tierney, age 39, born in Ireland, Labourer?
Mary, age 37, Ireland
Maggie, age 14, United States (as were the following children)
John, age 12
James, age 10
Mary, age 8
Wm, age 6
Tommie? (male), age 5
Patsey? (male), age 4
Katie, age 2
Martin, age 1
I think this is prob a different Tierney family. I got mixed up with them early on and had to backtrack. I know Michael was a part of the police force. Plus my ancestory Joseph doesnt appear to be listed
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...There is a John Tierney who died in Granville on 28 May 1896. Thought it might be worth noting, in case he's another relative.
Could he be John, born in 1880?
Fatal Accident.............. :'(
The Post-Star (Glens Falls, New York) - 1 Jun 1896, Mon - Page 7
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27900887/john_tierney/
Sandra
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If your Joseph was born 1900 he wouldn't appear on the 1892 census ???
Sandra
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If your Joseph was born 1900 he wouldn't appear on the 1892 census ???
Sandra
Oh thats actually a really good point. I did not even notice that at first.
Sorry, still a little sleepy this morning! :)
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No prob...........lol
Sandra
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If the marriage of Michael and Mary was in Pennsylvania I think we would really need to know where ? I believe Pennsylvania marriages would be recorded at County level for that time frame. Sometimes we can only find these thru a search of newspapers, church records and obituaries. Although it was a long shot I tried to go thru every Tierney member to see if an obituary might have mentioned where in Ireland the parents originated from but alas nothing was ever mentioned.
Sandra
Yeah it is rather frustrating since a decent amount of my family tree abruptly stops at like certain points due to lack of information / record keeping from the Ireland side of things. I decided to go the physical record method and submitted a death certificate request for Michael from Granville County and see if that sheds anymore light. Not holding out on any hope, but at least it'd be something if anything is revealed.
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1892 New York State Census, Moriah, Essex County - Tierney
Michael Tierney, age 39, born in Ireland, Labourer?
Mary, age 37, Ireland
Maggie, age 14, United States (as were the following children)
John, age 12
James, age 10
Mary, age 8
Wm, age 6
Tommie? (male), age 5
Patsey? (male), age 4
Katie, age 2
Martin, age 1
I think this is prob a different Tierney family. I got mixed up with them early on and had to backtrack. I know Michael was a part of the police force. Plus my ancestory Joseph doesnt appear to be listed
I just went back to check those census, its only the 1920 census which gives "Police" as the occupation for Michael.
Sandra
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1892 New York State Census, Moriah, Essex County - Tierney
Michael Tierney, age 39, born in Ireland, Labourer?
Mary, age 37, Ireland
Maggie, age 14, United States (as were the following children)
John, age 12
James, age 10
Mary, age 8
Wm, age 6
Tommie? (male), age 5
Patsey? (male), age 4
Katie, age 2
Martin, age 1
I think this is prob a different Tierney family. I got mixed up with them early on and had to backtrack. I know Michael was a part of the police force. Plus my ancestory Joseph doesnt appear to be listed
I just went back to check those census, its only the 1920 census which gives "Police" as the occupation for Michael.
Sandra
Fair assessment. I saw that he was probably a laborer / slate roofer during the early years.
Guess I can't make assumptions :D
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The obituary for Michael Tierney in 1932 said he had been Chief of Police in Granville for several years before his retirement due to ill health.
Sandra
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The obituary for Michael Tierney in 1932 said he had been Chief of Police in Granville for several years before his retirement due to ill health.
Sandra
Exactly. Where I was basing my information from. Tried to see if there was any news articles or pictures of him or maybe in the younger years via the Fulton History website, but only came across a few similar named men