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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Montgomeryshire => Topic started by: slewis on Friday 01 February 19 14:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I am trying to find information on the Richards family John Richards born abt 1795 and Jane ? born abt 1790
They have daughters Mary born abt 1821 and Elizabeth abt 1824 Penegoes
On the 1851 census Elizabeth Richards (daughter ) is a home with her parents also 8 month old Jane Brees gradaughter
On the 1861 census I found Jane Brees down as Stepdaughter with William and Elizabeth Evans Elizabeth married William in 1854.
I am not sure if Elizabeth was married to Jane father Mr Brees or she was not married, if not married I thought Jane name would be Jane Richards.
any idea's kind regards Sue
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Jane is stepdaughter to the head of house, if William was janes father you would think she would be down as daughter.
It seems to me more likely that Jane acquired her stepfathers name, not very unusual
Mike
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Hi Mike thanks for your help I would like to know were she got the name Brees as her step father name was Evans and her mother maiden name was Richards if a child is illegitimate they normally take the name of the mother its just that I can not find a marriage for Elizabeth and Mr Brees it may be Elizabeth gave Jane her father name but I guess we will never know . Thanks again for your help kind regards Sue
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Could this be her
GRO birth registration:
Jane Richards, Q3 1850, Machynlleth 27 91
Mothers maiden name - Richards
Maybe they knew the father's surname.
Gadget
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Could this be her
GRO birth registration:
Jane Richards, Q3 1850, Machynlleth 27 91
Mothers maiden name - Richards
Maybe they knew the father's surname.
Gadget
I was thinking the same and just about to post this Gadget and you beat me to it ;D ;D
I cannot find a birth reg. for a Jane Brees/Breeze with mmn Richards on GRO indexes
but there is this one where the mmn has been left blank
RICHARDS, JANE -
1850 S Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 27 Page 91
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LH - I got my GRO ref from another site. I think it does look like her. I've checked baptisms - CofE and FreeReg but nothing there.
Sue - did Jane marry and, if so, what name did she give for father. It will probably be William Evans, I suppose :-\
Gadget
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The 1851 has quite a few Mr Brees in the Penegoes area. Elizabeth might have been away from ghome working though.
Gadget
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Thank you to you both for your hep, I think that you are right and they new who the father was and probable the rest of the village did thats the name she would be known as .
thanks again kind regards Sue
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Interesting that on the 1881 census with William & Elizabeth Evans
their Evans children and Jane Breeze there is a
Winifred Richards 9 months noted as daughter
then on the 1891 census
She is noted Winifred Winnie R Breese age 10 grandchild of William & Elizabeth Evans
Jane Brees/e/Breeze is not with them
and her birth reg. no mother's maiden name
BREES, WINIFRED RICHARDS -
1880 S Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 11B Page 169
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Thats interesting I had not seen that thank you so much for your help .
Kind regards Sue
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For info...not sure if this same person as Winnifred Richards Breese bn1880
On the 1901 census with William EVANS Widr. 74 Grocer living Shop Aberhosan,
Rowland Richards boarder ‘M’ 30 Worker on Farm
Winniefred RICHARDS serv. ‘M’ 20 Machynlleth Housemaid domestic
Sep 1899 Machynlleth 11b 225
Humphreys Gwen
Richards Rowland Hughes
Richards Winifred
Williams John
Their daughter
RICHARDS, ELSIE JANE mmn RICHARDS
1905 J Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 11B Page 145
mmm…….thought mmn may have been recorded as Brees to confirm if it was correct Winifred
Added - maybe another child
RICHARDS, JANE ANN mnn RICHARDS
1899 D Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 11B Page 132
RICHARDS, JANE ANN died age 0
1899 D Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 11B Page 113
I think Rowland’s parents were named Thomas & Ann
RICHARDS, ROWLAND HUGHES mmn HUGHES
1871 D Quarter in MACHYNLLETH 610 Volume 11B Page 157
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Hi thank you so much for this information and help, I really do appreciate it.
kind regards Sue
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Elizabeth Richards was the daughter of John and Jane Richards,
Elizabeth had a daughter (out of wedlock ) Jane Brees also known as Richards abt 1851.
Jane had a daughter Winifred Richards also ( out of wedlock ) Winifred went on to marry Rowland Hughes Richards in 1899
this is were it get interesting Rowland Hughes Richards was the son of Winifred grandmother's niece Ann Richards nee Hughes.
Dose that make sense .
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Best bet is to look for a church baptism. Often when the father is named child adopted father surname
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Will try and do that thank you for your help
kind regards Sue