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While looking at 1826 Westminster baptisms came across this entry
Napoleon James Russell Frederick Alexander son of James and Sarah Inch Ender Russell
Vicar has noted “in consequence of the father being so absurd as to give his child so many [names] the register could not be entered in the regular way.
There are two words at the end underlined with little + signs, can anyone see what they are (just out of interest) Joshua Quinton???
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Love it!!
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::) ;D
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Love it!!
Me too!! ;D ;D
Can't read the missing bit though.
Wiggy
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Could it be an abbreviation of "Christian" - xistian …. ? ???
Yorkslass
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I agree with Yorkslass that the upper (underlined) one may be Xstian, for Christian, and I think the + is to indicate that the word below clarifies or amends this. Could that be parents?
I'm actually a little bit confused as to some of the other names and initials. Is the surname Inch Ender Russell, or are some of these the mother's middle names?
The clergy are also a bit puzzling. From looking at the whole page at FindMyPast (it's St James, Westminster) and the Clergy Database, they appear to be Peter Felix and Gerrard Thomas Andrewes (initials GTH in this note), yet there's no record in the Clergy Database that either of them was appointed to St James.
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I like that ;D
Carol
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I don't think that that is an X, but rather a +. Our last vicar in the village used to sign his name "Wiffle +".
Regards
Chas
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I don’t know about the + but I think it might say Xstian names.
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I don’t know about the + but I think it might say Xstian names.
Think you are right Heywood. :)
Wiggy
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Yes i agree it’s a + then X written two Cs back to back eg )(stian. NO idea what the other word is though. Except that it does appear to start with a Q
Have now got completely sidetracked by him...
James RUSSELL’s partnership with Godfrey Bingley WADSWORTH (surgeons Broad Street, Golden Square was dissolved 1 July 1843. He’s at the Broad street address at the baptism and also in newspapers in the 1830s
1841 he’s 45 with an assumed wife a Hannah age 30
James was born Ireland
O children
1851 20 Grove End Road, Marylebone he is a retired Surgeon age 55 Born Ireland
Hannah and her two sisters and a niece.
So it would seem Sarah Inch Ender and Napoleon of the absurd number of names both died? But I cannot see the burials so far.
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This is a quote from arthurk's post: "The clergy are also a bit puzzling. From looking at the whole page at FindMyPast (it's St James, Westminster) and the Clergy Database, they appear to be Peter Felix and Gerrard Thomas Andrewes (initials GTH in this note), yet there's no record in the Clergy Database that either of them was appointed to St James".
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CofE clergy can perform marriages in churches other than 'their own', so no mystery there!
Melbell
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"... there's no record in the Clergy Database that either of them was appointed to St James".
CofE clergy can perform marriages in churches other than 'their own', so no mystery there!
Except that this wasn't just a one-off - there were lots of entries signed by one or other of them, suggesting a longer-term association with the church. Moreover, the note about the multiplicity of names has the air of having been written by someone who is responsible for the church and its registers, rather than a visiting cleric.
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Gerrard Thomas Andrewes married at St James in 1819.
I am not familiar with the Clergy database but there are a few references to him here unless it is his father, perhaps?
http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/persons/DisplayCcePerson.jsp?PersonID=1548
He is living in the parish in 1841.
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I think that must be his father or a relative in the database (not the marriage or 1841j
https://www.grosvenorprints.com/stock_detail.php?ref=16374
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I am not familiar with the Clergy database but there are a few references to him here unless it is his father, perhaps?
http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/persons/DisplayCcePerson.jsp?PersonID=1548
Yes - the one listed as just Gerrard Andrewes, who was Rector of St James, died in 1825, so can't have been doing baptisms in 1826.
I wonder - maybe as his father was getting old, GTA might have helped out (while holding appointments and living off tithes etc elsewhere), and even after a new rector had been appointed (John Giffard Ward, 24 Jun 1825), he carried on doing that. And maybe Peter Felix was doing the same kind of thing - London life must have been so much more agreeable than dealing with ag labs and other ordinary people out in the sticks.
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Perhaps not quite to the point but : How do all those people who give their poor son the names of an entire football team manage?
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So it would seem Sarah Inch Ender and Napoleon of the absurd number of names both died? But I cannot see the burials so far.
Perhaps Napoleon James Russell Frederick met Wellington Blucher Ainscough who was baptised on 7th July 1814 at St. Leonard, Walton-le-Dale, Lancashire and young Napoleon J. R. F., being outnumbered in the famous names department, came off worse in the encounter. I expect they met at a well-known railway station in London.
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Perhaps not quite to the point but : How do all those people who give their poor son the names of an entire football team manage?
My daughter has a relative on her paternal side who has a child named after the whole of Glasgow Rangers Football Team (Scotland)!
I had to smile at the pun 'manage' ;D
Annie
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Interesting note from the officiating vicar. I've seen entries from titled folk who give their children multiple names, with not a word of complaint from the minister. Perhaps he thought the parents were getting above their station in life.
As for the Clergy Database, while it is a useful tool, it is riddled with errors and omissions. At least it is for the ancestors I've looked up. ::)
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Interesting note from the officiating vicar. I've seen entries from titled folk who give their children multiple names, with not a word of complaint from the minister. Perhaps he thought the parents were getting above their station in life.
Choice of Napoleon as first name on the list probably caused him to purse his lips or sniff disapprovingly. Parents either had republican or pro-French feelings.