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Title: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: Taylor111 on Sunday 03 February 19 15:23 GMT (UK)
Hello I am chasing a long shot in the never ending search of my great great grandfather.

I am trying to find what happened to the below people, and particular where Maurice Mathis came from, any brothers etc. Any help would be fantastic. Everything is French etc, the names and dates for people don't match and one daughter seems to of married 3 times in a few years?
1896 census - Saint-Denis, Seine, France
I have - Household
Maurice Mathis - 47
Philoméne Mathis - 57 (birth name Arthénac) married 1874 
Marie Mathis - 29
Marguerite Mathis - 16

I have Maurice parents from marriage record of him and Philomene as Maurice Mathis and Marie Marguerite Fournier.

Any help at all please, would be very grateful. Thanks :-) 
Title: Re: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: Taylor111 on Sunday 03 February 19 15:24 GMT (UK)
It has their occupation, again I can't work it out. 
Title: Re: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Sunday 03 February 19 15:26 GMT (UK)
Patron, modiste and couturiere. They all worked in the fashion industry.
Title: Re: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: Taylor111 on Sunday 03 February 19 15:41 GMT (UK)
Thanks Mike, finding the whole French looking records very hard.. Hopefully someone might feel generous to find out where they went, and where the father came from  ;D 
Title: Re: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: joger on Monday 04 February 19 11:18 GMT (UK)
Maurice was born in Paris 7 february 1849, 7 th arrondissement , Philomene in St Jean d'Angely, Charente -inférieure , born 20 july 1839 (parents Jean Baptiste Arthenac  died in St Julien de l'Escap and Suzanne Giraud died in St Jean d'Angely).

Unfortunately, the registers of this period disappeared in a fire .
Title: Re: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: joger on Monday 04 February 19 11:34 GMT (UK)
Parents of Maurice married 1848, reconstructed fiche
Title: Re: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: joger on Monday 04 February 19 11:36 GMT (UK)
https://gw.geneanet.org/ptitpteur?lang=fr&iz=0&p=maurice&n=mathis&oc=1
Go and have a look here

Maurice Mathis born 1815 is the father of Maurice the husband of Philomene
Title: Re: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: joger on Monday 04 February 19 11:44 GMT (UK)
https://gw.geneanet.org/baronmichaud?n=arthenac&oc=&p=philomene
Title: Re: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: joger on Tuesday 05 February 19 07:17 GMT (UK)
[ Everything is French etc, the names and dates for people don't match and one daughter seems to of married 3 times in a few years
[/quote]

Can you explain what you mean?
Title: Re: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: joger on Tuesday 05 February 19 07:23 GMT (UK)
Patron, modiste and couturiere. They all worked in the fashion industry.
Patron means boss.Maurice and his wife were both the boss of a small business , the daughters were employees.
Maurice and Philomene don't have the same occupations that when they married.
Title: Re: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: joger on Wednesday 06 February 19 07:49 GMT (UK)
Basse Suisse ( sometimes written Suisse Basse , or only Suisse) is a village in the departement of Moselle in France , which was , depending on the period, sometimes part of Germany
Write "Basse Suisse Moselle"in Google  and you'll see where it is
Title: Re: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: joger on Wednesday 06 February 19 11:01 GMT (UK)
Now , having found your topic "...Only for the brave ,Mathis" , and remembering I already tried to help you , I read again what you wrote and it appears to mee that the WOM Mathis ( your ancestor I believe ) is not the Maurice Mathis you found in the 1896 Census.
I think though that I have found the explanation for the Swizerland/Germany question.WOM said he was born in Suisse , which was transcribed Swizerland . In fact he was really born in "Suisse", in Moselle , France .Unfortunately the registers of that period have not been digitized or given to the Moselle archives. They may still be in the village called "Suisse" in Moselle .
I can try to help you further , if you make that point clear: WOM 's date and place of birth is the one you want me to look for?
Have you found where he married , can you give the date of birth , and  Paris arrondissement where the first child was born?
Title: Re: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: joger on Thursday 07 February 19 16:30 GMT (UK)
Birth Maurice Otto MATHIS , on the 15th of december 1884 7th arrondissement  of Paris , 21 rue de l'exposition in the house of his parents William Mathis , stonemason and Ellen GOUGH both 27

Title: Re: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: joger on Thursday 07 February 19 17:12 GMT (UK)
Ellen Mathis 's death
Title: Re: French ** Chasing a hunch - help reading occupation and where they went.
Post by: joger on Thursday 07 February 19 18:40 GMT (UK)
I found no William Otto Moritz Mathis in the tables decennales of Suisse, Moselle.
Census gives William Otto born in Switzerland , FS ( foreign subject) and his son Maurice Otto born in France, Paris (which is true), Swiss sub ( Swiss subject).
You'll have to searchin Switzerland, good luck.